SSB4 Roster

[Zero777]

Here is my idea for the SSB4 roster (with stages [without classic stages]). Please ask any question about newcomer moves and alteration on veteran fighters and how the stages work:

Mario Series

• Mario/Dr, Mario
• Luigi
• Peach
• Daisy
• Bowser
• Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario
• Rosalina
• Geno

The next four are purely opinion/favoritism and I won't mind if they're removed:

• Count Bleck
• Dimentio
• O'Chunks
• Mimi

Mario Stages

• Galaxy Tour
• Yold Desert
• Castle Bleck
• Subcon
• Isle Delfino
• Super Mario 64
• Bowser's Castle
• Rainbow Road
• Paper Battle Arena
• Forest Maze
• Airship Fleet
• Super Mario Bros.

Wario Series

• Wario
• Ashley

Wario Stages

• Diamond City
• Elephant Elevator
• Haunted Mansion
• Wario Land
• Wario's Castle
• S.S. Tea Cup
• Wario Planet

Yoshi Series

• Yoshi
• Shy Guy
• Kamek
• Baby Mario Bros.
• Birdo

Yoshi Stages

• Yoshi's Island
• Koopa Cruiser

Donkey Kong Series

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong
• King K. Rool

Donkey Kong Stages

• Gangplank Galleon
• Flying Krock
• Donkey Kong Island

Legend of Zelda Series

• Link
• Zelda/Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Young Link
• Toon Link
• Toon Zelda/Tetra
• Toon Ganondorf

Legend of Zelda Stages

• Hyrule Castle
• Twilight Realm
• Palace of Twilight
• Skyloft
• Moon
• Clock Town

Chibi-Robo Series

• Chibi-Robo

Chibi-Robo Stages

• Sanderson's Home
• The Park

Super Smash Bros. Series

• Primid

Super Smash Bros. Stages

• Smash Skiff

N.E.S. Era

• R.O.B.

N.E.S. Stages

• Balloon Trip
• Wrecking Crew
• Donkey Kong

Ice Climber Series

• Ice Climbers

Ice Climber Stages

• Ice Top
• Ice Climb

Kid Icarus Series

• Pit

Kid Icarus Stages

• Angel Land

Pikmin Series

• Olimar

Pikmin Stages

• Space

Metroid Series

• Samus/Zero Suit Samus
• Dark Samus
• Ridley
• Rundas
• Kanden
• Spire
• Noxus
• Trace
• Sylux
• Weavel

Metroid Stages

• Gunship
• Bottle Ship
• Zebes

Kirby Series

• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede
• Daroach (or Nightmare or Marx)

Kirby Stages

• Pop Star
• Dreamland
• Nightmare
• O2

Star Fox Series

• Fox
• Falco
• Krystal
• Wolf

Star Fox Stages

• The Assault
• Command Great Fox
• Aparoid Homeworld
• Sauria
• Sector XYZ

Pokemon Series

• Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu
• Plusle & Minum
• Pokemon Trainer (with cosmetic change female counterpart)
• Igglybuff/Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff
• Lucario
• Mewtwo
• Deoxys
• Darkrai

Pokemon Stages

• Pokemon Stadium 3
• Veilstone City
• Distortion World
• Fullmoon Island
• Castelia City

Fire Emblem Series

• Marth
• Ike
• Roy
• Black Knight
• Sothe
• Micaiah
• Krom
• Lyn

Fire Emblem Stages

• Akaneia
• Altea
• Doluna
• Gra
• Talys
• Medon
• Aurelis
• Khadein
• Grust

Earthbound (Mother) Series

• Ness
• Lucas
• Kumatora
• Poo

Earthbound (Mother) Stages

• Twoson
• Threed
• Eagleland
• Nowhere Island
• Giygas

Game & Watch Series

• Mr. Game & Watch

Game & Watch Stages

• Flat Zone 3
• Manhole
• Donkey Kong Jr.

F-Zero Series

• Captain Falcon
• Black Shadow

F-Zero Stages

• Aeropolis
• Cosmo Terminal
• Phantom Road
• Casino Palace
• Outer Space
• Green Plant
• Lightning

 

[Magikrazy]

So wait, you want all of those in (except for the fact that you're fine with Bleck and his goons not being in)?

 

[Weasel]

Bottle Ship

NO THAT GAME NEVER HAPPENED

Tallon Overworld and/or Tourian instead.

 

[SonicMario]

I think you have too many Mario, Yoshi, Legend of Zelda (Toon Versions of the first 3 AND Young Link?), Metroid, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem characters.

Also a playable Primid is not a good idea.

Also is this unfinished? Where's the 3rd parties?

 

[Pandapowah]

Birdo isn't part of the Yoshi series.

Why do people want Geno to join Super Smash Bros? He has only played a major role in ONE game. Some of the characters that are already playable, the Ice Climbers I think, has only been in one game but at least they have their own game. Geno doesn't have his own game.

What would Shy Guy's moves be?

 

[Magikrazy]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Ashley's Final Smash would be PANTALONES GIGANTICUS!

 

[Zero777]

So wait, you want all of those in (except for the fact that you're fine with Bleck and his goons not being in)?

Yes

What would Shy Guy's moves be?

Shy Guy’s Standard Special: Boom Guy
When the player presses the special button Shy Guy will pull out a bill blaster and put it on his head and then start charging it. After it’s done charging or not the player may press the special button again and release a bullet bill that will go straight all the way to the stages boundary line, or the player can hold the charge. If the bullet bill comes in contact with an opponent it will explode damaging the opponent and damaging other opponents around the blast vicinity. If the bullet bill slams into a wall or the floor it will explode also.

Shy Guy’s Side Special: Mask Toss (or " " Throw)
It works exactly like Toon Link’s side special Boomerang, but Shy Guy’s side special goes slightly farther and faster. If he fails to get the mask back when it returns he will cover his face then he will walk/run slower. A little while afterwards he will get a new mask. If he is violently attack constantly the mask will also come off making him unable to use Shy Guy Mask Toss.

Shy Guy’s Down Special: Fat Guy
It works exactly like Bowser’s Bowser Bomb. When done on the floor Shy Guy will jump up and turn into a Fat Guy then he will smash his body to the ground giving a lot of damage to the opponents in the vicinity.

Shy Guy’s Up Special: Fly Guy
It works similar to Snake’s Cypher. A propeller will appear on Shy Guy’s head then he will go up for a little while, then the propeller will come off then it will fly beyond the stage upper boundary line, if anybody gets hit by the propeller when it leaves Shy Guy, damage will be inflicted on that opponent.

Shy Guy’s Final Smash: Mask Off
Shy Guy takes his mask off then he will make the noise that Shy Guys commonly make, but the only difference is that it’s a loud, eerie, echoing noise. Anybody on front of him all the way towards the stage’s boundary line will be damage and then be affected with a weird effect, (the same effects from Luigi’s final smash Negative Zone) but on some occasions the opponent will be violently thrown. The final smash’s path will be in a blooming path.

Why do people want Geno to join Super Smash Bros? He has only played a major role in ONE game. Some of the characters that are already playable, the Ice Climbers I think, has only been in one game but at least they have their own game. Geno doesn't have his own game.

It's because of the great potential Geno can have in the SSB series.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Ashley's Final Smash would be PANTALONES GIGANTICUS!

Ashley’s Final Smash: Magic Spells Array (or Magic Spell Barrage)
It works exactly like Yoshi’s final smash Super Dragon without the constant stream of fire. Ashley’s broomstick appears out of nowhere then Red turns into her scepter then she will shoot balls of magic (from the scepter) with different elements in those balls. (Like fire, ice, electric, dark, poison, & others) Anybody who touches her will also get damaged (Just like Super Dragon).

 

[Dorayaki]

I love Geno, but almost like babies or Syrup, it's more important to get appearances in the original spinoffs than crossover games.

 

[Zero777]

I love Geno, but almost like babies or Syrup, it's more important to get appearances in the original spinoffs than crossover games.

SMRPG is not a crossover.

 

[Magikrazy]

I love Geno, but almost like babies or Syrup, it's more important to get appearances in the original spinoffs than crossover games.

SMRPG is not a crossover.

Dorayaki is referring to the Smash Bros series. He's saying that before Geno and Captain Syrup get in, they need to be in other spin-off games.

 

[Zero777]

oh okay.

 

[Anser]

This again...

BIRDO-IS-NOT-PART-OF-THE-YOSHI-SERIES!!!!!!

 

[Ray Trace]

Geno has like, barely any chance of making it in. He's not popular enough (Super Mario RPG would be quite obscure by today's standards) and he needs to make it in more games to even have a feasible chance.

 

[Magikrazy]

This again...

BIRDO-IS-NOT-PART-OF-THE-YOSHI-SERIES!!!!!!

Exactly!

That thing's never been in any Yoshi game.

 

[SonicMario]

Mario Series

• Mario
• Luigi
• Peach
• Bowser
• Bowser Jr/(possibly)Shadow Mario
• Toad

Wario Series

• Wario

Yoshi Series

• Yoshi
• Kamek

Donkey Kong Series

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong
• King K. Rool

Legend of Zelda Series

• Link
• Zelda/Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Toon Link
• Toon Zelda/Tetra

Chibi-Robo Series

• Chibi-Robo

N.E.S. Era

• R.O.B.

Ice Climber Series

• Ice Climbers

Kid Icarus Series

• Pit

Pikmin Series

• Olimar

Metroid Series

• Samus/Zero Suit Samus
• Dark Samus or Ridley if they can make him work

Kirby Series

• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede

Star Fox Series

• Fox
• Falco
• Krystal
• Wolf

Pokemon Series

• Pikachu
• Plusle & Minum
• Pokemon Trainer (with cosmetic change female counterpart)
• Jigglypuff
• Lucario
• Mewtwo

Fire Emblem Series

• Marth
• Ike
• One of the characters you said

Earthbound (Mother) Series

• Ness
• Lucas
• Kumatora

Game & Watch Series

• Mr. Game & Watch

F-Zero Series

• Captain Falcon
• Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh

And again. What about the 3rd parties? I think Sonic and Snake are bound for a return and possibly Megaman and because Namco's involved. Perhaps Pac-Man as well. Anyway, I made some cuts that puts your roster down to less then 50 with the characters I believe are more believeable to be in the game. Some things about it probably aren't going to happen either, but I certainly think I've got it a bit more realistic.

 

[Ray Trace]

And again. What about the 3rd parties? I think Sonic and Snake are bound for a return and possibly Megaman and because Namco's involved. Perhaps Pac-Man as well. Anyway, I made some cuts that puts your roster down to less then 50 with the characters I believe are more believeable to be in the game. Some things about it probably aren't going to happen either, but I certainly think I've got it a bit more realistic.

Some people hate the 3rd party characters and want to exclude them from the roster. Besides, it's his idea for the roster. It's not exactly realistic.

 

[Zero777]

And again. What about the 3rd parties? I think Sonic and Snake are bound for a return and possibly Megaman and because Namco's involved. Perhaps Pac-Man as well. Anyway, I made some cuts that puts your roster down to less then 50 with the characters I believe are more believeable to be in the game. Some things about it probably aren't going to happen either, but I certainly think I've got it a bit more realistic.

I don't really want to try my hands on 3rd-party because of my lack of knowledge of 3rd-party characters. Snake and Sonic can return (with Sonic's final smash being nerfed down a lot) and I find it possible for Mega Man and especially Pac-Man to appear.

And about Birdo, I placed her in the yoshi team because of her relation with yoshi and you never know maybe one day in the future she might make an appearance in a yoshi game. Also, it made the roster look off-balance and disorganized (yes, I did draw an roster).

 

[SonicMario]

I don't really want to try my hands on 3rd-party because of my lack of knowledge of 3rd-party characters. Snake and Sonic can return (with Sonic's final smash being nerfed down a lot) and I find it possible for Mega Man and especially Pac-Man to appear.

And about Birdo, I placed her in the yoshi team because of her relation with yoshi and you never know maybe one day in the future she might make an appearance in a yoshi game. Also, it made the roster look off-balance and disorganized (yes, I did draw an roster).

Ah ok I got ya

On Birdo though whether or not you could place her in the Mario or Yoshi series. She's not as nearly as Major. As she was only a recurring boss in Super Mario Bros. 2 and was also a boss in Super Mario RPG and Superstar Saga. Not really enough of a resume to get playable in a Smash Bros. game unless she were the main villain in all 3 of those games, which obviously she wasn't (I'm thinking this because if I said she couldn't be playable since she was only a boss, then Ganondorf would be a flaw in my logic). And obviously the Mario spin-offs don't do anything to help a character get into Smash Bros.

If Yoshi must have a 2nd rep, I think Kamek would be a decent idea being essentially the main villain of the Yoshi games and making recurring appearences even if they're not nearly as major in current games like Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii. His magic would obviously make up much of his Special Moves. The one thing against him is that he doesn't do much of the fighting himself. Though for a few fighters that didn't seem too much of a problem.

 

[Red Barchetta]

If anyone's chosen to represent Fire Emblem along with Marth and Ike, it'll most likely be Krom, the main protagonist from Fire Emblem: Awakening.

 

[Zero777]

I say Roy also has to reappear.

EDIT: Tell me Red Barchetta, out of the newcomers in the Fire Emblem team (except for Sothe and Micaiah), which one would you personally put out to put in Krom and why?

 

[Red Barchetta]

If we're referring to your list, I'll give my reasons.

Fire Emblem Series

• Marth
• Ike
• Roy
• Black Knight
• Sothe
• Micaiah
• Elincia
• Lyn

Obviously, Marth and Ike will stay in.

I wouldn't mind seeing Roy come back at all. It's just that he'll more than likely be snubbed by Krom because Krom is a more recent character.

The Black Knight... see, I love The Black Knight. He's easily my favorite video game character of all time, it's just I don't see him as a playable character. He'd be better as a boss in a story mode.

Sothe and Micaiah... I don't see Micaiah as a person to be in an SSB game, kind of like Rosalina. Sothe, on the other hand, probably wouldn't be included because of Ike.

The same for Micaiah and Rosalina applies to Elincia, even if she does have her Pegasus and Amiti.

Lyn's a possibility because of her inclusion in Brawl as an Assist Trophy.

I think the main reason Krom will get in is because, like I mentioned, he's a new protagonist to the series. He's pretty much receiving the same treatment that Ike got in Brawl (because Path of Radiance had been out for a few years and Radiant Dawn had just come out for the Wii); not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. I love Ike, he's my favorite lord from any Fire Emblem game (Hector's a close second).

But answering your original question, I'd probably take out Micaiah and/or Elincia. I just don't see that happening - maybe as an Assist Trophy.

 

[Dorayaki]

This again... BIRDO-IS-NOT-PART-OF-THE-YOSHI-SERIES!!!!!!

Exactly! That thing's never been in any Yoshi game.

Obviously it's not telling a fact, but a thought that the lack of partner characters in each subseries. You guys don't have to correct it.

 

[Zero777]

If we're referring to your list, I'll give my reasons.

Fire Emblem Series

• Marth
• Ike
• Roy
• Black Knight
• Sothe
• Micaiah
• Elincia
• Lyn

Obviously, Marth and Ike will stay in.

I wouldn't mind seeing Roy come back at all. It's just that he'll more than likely be snubbed by Krom because Krom is a more recent character.

The Black Knight... see, I love The Black Knight. He's easily my favorite video game character of all time, it's just I don't see him as a playable character. He'd be better as a boss in a story mode.

Sothe and Micaiah... I don't see Micaiah as a person to be in an SSB game, kind of like Rosalina. Sothe, on the other hand, probably wouldn't be included because of Ike.

The same for Micaiah and Rosalina applies to Elincia, even if she does have her Pegasus and Amiti.

Lyn's a possibility because of her inclusion in Brawl as an Assist Trophy.

I think the main reason Krom will get in is because, like I mentioned, he's a new protagonist to the series. He's pretty much receiving the same treatment that Ike got in Brawl (because Path of Radiance had been out for a few years and Radiant Dawn had just come out for the Wii); not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. I love Ike, he's my favorite lord from any Fire Emblem game (Hector's a close second).

But answering your original question, I'd probably take out Micaiah and/or Elincia. I just don't see that happening - maybe as an Assist Trophy.

I'll switch out Elincia for Krom. Elincia could be more of a assist trophy (with her pegasus)

 

[Anser]

This again... BIRDO-IS-NOT-PART-OF-THE-YOSHI-SERIES!!!!!!

Exactly! That thing's never been in any Yoshi game.

Obviously it's not telling a fact, but a thought that the lack of partner characters in each subseries. You guys don't have to correct it.

Yes, we have to. It doesn't matter if it's a thought; it's still wrong. Birdo is not part of the Yoshi series; it's part of the Mario series. It also doesn't matter if she can have a future appearance in a Yoshi series game, because she still hasn't had one, so she's still not part of that saga. Besides, if she gets so much hate from everyone here, why does everyone want her in Smash Bros. 4 all of a sudden?

 

[Ray Trace]

This again... BIRDO-IS-NOT-PART-OF-THE-YOSHI-SERIES!!!!!!

Exactly! That thing's never been in any Yoshi game.

Obviously it's not telling a fact, but a thought that the lack of partner characters in each subseries. You guys don't have to correct it.

Besides, if she gets so much hate from everyone here, why does everyone want her in Smash Bros. 4 all of a sudden?

Because everyone wants to kill her in the game