Today we fight against mass survailence

[GalacticPetey]

Several websites including Reddit, Toho Kingdom, and countless others are using today as a day to fight against the NSA's surveillance. This blog describes it pretty well.

http://blog.reddit.com/2014/02/the-day-we-fight-back-against-mass.html

And here's the official website.
https://thedaywefightback.org/

 

[Ray Trace]

Why is this crap even a real thing if it obviously violates the Constitution?

 

[Dr. Javelin]

relevant:

Why is this crap even a real thing if it obviously violates the Constitution?

because elastic clause, and because there are people in our government who think it's not a problem at all (FEINSTEIN!!!!!)

 

[Daniel Dyce]

Why is this crap even a real thing if it obviously violates the Constitution?

Because the supreme court has often times ruled that the Constitution van be ignored during a time of war

 

[Verbal Rhythm]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/11/maryland-lawmakers-want-to-cut-water-electricity-to-nsa-headquarters/

 

[Dr. Javelin]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/11/maryland-lawmakers-want-to-cut-water-electricity-to-nsa-headquarters/

while that's clever, the feds will probably just use the mcculloch v maryland case to say that the state has no power over their facility

...

although whether they can force utility companies to give them services is another question

 

[fantanoice]

The thing is, you can get search warrants to check computer history and data, so why can't they just do that if they need to investigate someone? Like, what they're doing is actually ridiculous, they're meant to be law enforcers and instead break thousands of them per year just so they can spy on innocent people because, AFAICT, it's just easier than using the proper process of gathering a search warrant.

What's even more strange is when companies like Telstra (biggest telco in Aus) store and provide information for them. I probably don't need to explain the problems with that.

 

[banjonator1]

too many people actually think the government gives a shit about what goes on in their lives

i'm not particularly for this whole "mass surveillance" shitstorm, but really it's not like i have anything to hide

...

said Banjo as he returned to his beloved occupation at the Ministry of Truth

 

[fantanoice]

too many people actually think the government gives a *bleep* about what goes on in their lives

i'm not particularly for this whole "mass surveillance" *bleep*storm, but really it's not like i have anything to hide

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said Banjo as he returned to his beloved occupation at the Ministry of Truth

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the shitstorm if that data was compromised?

 

[Dr. Javelin]

too many people actually think the government gives a shit about what goes on in their lives

i'm not particularly for this whole "mass surveillance" shitstorm, but really it's not like i have anything to hide

...

said Banjo as he returned to his beloved occupation at the Ministry of Truth

i thought the ministry of love was behind the surveillance. : /

 

[Mario4Ever]

It is (it's from whence the Thought Police are deployed when needed), but I think Banjo's just making a reference to how the main character works at Minitrue.

 

[Zae]

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the shitstorm if that data was compromised?

that would be true assuming the government gave a shit about the typical person.

News flash: they dont.

 

[fantanoice]

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the *bleep*storm if that data was compromised?

that would be true assuming the government gave a *bleep* about the typical person.

News flash: they dont.

Because that totally isn't a cop out

 

[Zae]

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the *bleep*storm if that data was compromised?

that would be true assuming the government gave a *bleep* about the typical person.

News flash: they dont.

Because that totally isn't a cop out

then prove it to me they do.

otherwise lol

although i imagine you probably wont since you probably live in another country.

 

[Daniel Dyce]

too many people actually think the government gives a *bleep* about what goes on in their lives

i'm not particularly for this whole "mass surveillance" *bleep*storm, but really it's not like i have anything to hide

...

said Banjo as he returned to his beloved occupation at the Ministry of Truth

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the shitstorm if that data was compromised?

There's no such thing as the right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of one of those things that the Supreme Court exists in certain scenarios (also I believe that the patriot act has already been upheld by the Supreme Court)

 

[fantanoice]

too many people actually think the government gives a *bleep* about what goes on in their lives

i'm not particularly for this whole "mass surveillance" *bleep*storm, but really it's not like i have anything to hide

...

said Banjo as he returned to his beloved occupation at the Ministry of Truth

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the *bleep*storm if that data was compromised?

There's no such thing as the right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of one of those things that the Supreme Court exists in certain scenarios (also I believe that the patriot act has already been upheld by the Supreme Court)

Surely you have privacy laws wtf

But I mean I know there are some in Australia and they're snooping on our data too, so...

 

[Daniel Dyce]

too many people actually think the government gives a *bleep* about what goes on in their lives

i'm not particularly for this whole "mass surveillance" *bleep*storm, but really it's not like i have anything to hide

...

said Banjo as he returned to his beloved occupation at the Ministry of Truth

People are still entitled to their privacy, not to mention to you have any idea about the *bleep*storm if that data was compromised?

There's no such thing as the right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of one of those things that the Supreme Court exists in certain scenarios (also I believe that the patriot act has already been upheld by the Supreme Court)

Surely you have privacy laws wtf

But I mean I know there are some in Australia and they're snooping on our data too, so...

In theory we have privacy laws but they are up for debate (in times of war they are often times considered of less importance_

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

I'm pretty sure we have privacy laws.

For instance, stores are required to put up a "Under surveillance" sign to warn consumers. I guess in California, at least.

It is true that in crises, however, that some people's privacy are violated to obtain information, including in the Cold War (I think).

 

[Daniel Dyce]

What i'm saying is that there is no right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of a thing you have in theory

 

[fantanoice]

Isn't the Constitution also a thing you have in theory :P

 

[Dr. Javelin]

What i'm saying is that there is no right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of a thing you have in theory

Uh, the Fourth Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[Daniel Dyce]

What i'm saying is that there is no right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of a thing you have in theory

Uh, the Fourth Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Javelin you act like the Constitution actually means anything

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

Uh, the Fourth Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Search and seizure =/= right to privacy, although the two can overlap.

And, yes, the right to privacy is not explicitly outlined in the U.S. Constitution. It's an implied right, though, explored by the Supreme Court.

 

[Daniel Dyce]

Uh, the Fourth Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Search and seizure =/= right to privacy, although the two can overlap.

And, yes, the right to privacy is not explicitly outlined in the U.S. Constitution. It's an implied right, though, explored by the Supreme Court.

Yes LGM fight my battles for me

 

[fantanoice]

What i'm saying is that there is no right to privacy in the Constitution it's more of a thing you have in theory

Uh, the Fourth Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Javelin you act like the Constitution actually means anything

Wait, so first you were arguing that you're not allowed privacy because it isn't in the Constitution, and then you say it doesn't mean anything when it turns out it does? Okay.