Is Daisy Circuit set in Sarasaland?

[memoryman3]

So I was playing a bit of Time Trials in Mario Kart Wii and found this out....

Now this may be a bit of a stretch, but the whole "seaside resort" theme, and these hills in the background sharing a pattern found in the seaside kingdom of Sarasaland - the Muda Kingdom - I can't help but think that Sarasaland's second physical appearance may have been under our noses for years...probably due to people disliking Daisy a lot

Here are the hills for reference.

Also, unlike the other circuits in the game, there are no Mushroom Kingdom hills in the background of the course, or Peach's Castle.

 

[Alex95]

probably due to people disliking Daisy a lot

I like Daisy, though probably not as much as you do :P

Going to need a bit more than just a possible coincidental hill layout and lack of Peach's Castle (which a lot of courses don't have). It'd certainly be interesting if the course was set in Sarasaland, but there just isn't enough information to go off of here.

 

[memoryman3]

probably due to people disliking Daisy a lot

I like Daisy, though probably not as much as you do :P

Going to need a bit more than just a possible coincidental hill layout and lack of Peach's Castle (which a lot of courses don't have). It'd certainly be interesting if the course was set in Sarasaland, but there just isn't enough information to go off of here.

It just seems too deliberate to be just a coincidence. The Muda Kingdom itself seems based off Bermuda. Bermuda is located near the Tropic of Cancer....so it's pretty tropical, going by this image.

It doesn't seem like Daisy Circuit is set in some random seaside resort.

 

[Roserade]

Or it could be

Still a nice theory though

 

[memoryman3]

Or it could be

Still a nice theory though

A "nice theory".

I am very confident that the circuit takes place in Daisy's home kingdom. There's even what appears to be a palace. Daisy Hills didn't really have a palace or any of the links to Sarasaland I saw here.

 

[Koops]

That's pretty well noticed... I mean no one would take their time to properly look at the track, especially not this kind of track.

You could be right about this track being in Sarasaland, but maybe it's pure coincidence: every tropical world thing has those kinds of hills, including NSMBW and Kirby return to dream-Land. But still, this actually might be true since it's a Daisy track.

 

[Alex95]

Keep in mind that just because it's a Daisy track doesn't mean it's immediately set in Sarasaland.
As far as I know, there's no palace shown in Sarasaland, so we can't confirm this is the same palace as the one Daisy rules from.

It's very possible this is set in Daisy's homeland, but there's not enough concrete evidence to support it.

 

[Czario]

I agree with Alex95. It's a reasonable head-canon though.

 

[memoryman3]

I agree with Alex95. It's a reasonable head-canon though.

Keep in mind that just because it's a Daisy track doesn't mean it's immediately set in Sarasaland.
As far as I know, there's no palace shown in Sarasaland, so we can't confirm this is the same palace as the one Daisy rules from.

It's very possible this is set in Daisy's homeland, but there's not enough concrete evidence to support it.

Sarasaland as a kingdom appeared in a GB game....which means that there is complete lack of detail due to system limitations. A lot of things that you would expect to appear in a kingdom aren't present, even if the artists intended for them to appear. Also, no one really bothered to interview Nintendo about these details so it might be one of those easter eggs like Totaka's Song is meant to be.

 

[Lin Beifong]

Or it could be

Still a nice theory though

A "nice theory".

I am very confident that the circuit takes place in Daisy's home kingdom. There's even what appears to be a palace. Daisy Hills didn't really have a palace or any of the links to Sarasaland I saw here.

There's no need to shit on Reize's wording. There is a definite possibility that this track is located in Sarasaland, but without confirmation it IS still a theory.

It would help if the race track included some native Sarasaland creatures.

 

[Alex95]

Also, Daisy lives in the Mushroom Kingdom now, so who the heck even knows anymore.

Sarasaland as a kingdom appeared in a GB game....which means that there is complete lack of detail due to system limitations. A lot of things that you would expect to appear in a kingdom aren't present, even if the artists intended for them to appear.

True, however, there is artwork of Sarasaland, and there's no palace. In game, there are ruins and possibly fortresses, like Tatanga's in the sky. For all we know, Daisy has no palace in Sarasaland. She makes no mention of one anywhere in her quotes.

 

[memoryman3]

Also, Daisy lives in the Mushroom Kingdom now, so who the heck even knows anymore.

Sarasaland as a kingdom appeared in a GB game....which means that there is complete lack of detail due to system limitations. A lot of things that you would expect to appear in a kingdom aren't present, even if the artists intended for them to appear.

True, however, there is artwork of Sarasaland, and there's no palace. In game, there are ruins and possibly fortresses, like Tatanga's in the sky. For all we know, Daisy has no palace in Sarasaland. She makes no mention of one anywhere in her quotes.

Then I guess we will never know...

Sometimes I like it when Nintendo leaves things vague for us to discover, but sometimes it's very annoying. Maybe the idea to not include Sarasaland's creatures could tie in with the hazard-less nature of the track, or perhaps they could be seen as too scary for a game like Mario Kart Wii.

 

[Mcmadness]

Sarasaland was just a mishmash of random locations based off real life places, it barely has much of an identity of it's own.

 

[memoryman3]

Sarasaland was just a mishmash of random locations based off real life places, it barely has much of an identity of it's own.

They were all "exotic"

Chai is Ancient China, which was known for it's distinct, colourful landscape.

Muda is the Bermuda Tropics (closest to Daisy Circuit)

Birabuto is the Desert Kingdom (Saharan Desert maybe)

Easton is the Easter Islands. (also tropical)

Daisy Circuit itself uses a different colour palette to what the Mushroom Kingdom usually has. The course itself is set at dusk, and there's a use of tropical colours like green and yellow throughout.

 

[Ray Trace]

I really don't think there was a Sarasaland reference anywhere on this stage. I'm pretty sure the seaside resort thing is referencing the fact that Daisy had a cruiser in the last game and they wanted to add a nice little nod to it by making it a resort, with boats parked there and the boat being in the background iirc. And drawing a connection JUST because of the generically designed cliffs? That's not a connection, that's just the track having...well generically-designed cliffs. If the Sarasaland presence was also more pronounced, we would have seen advertisements and sponsorships for it instead of generic Daisy/Mario Kart ones.

If they wanted to reference another game, it would have been far more evident. Baby Park knew this and we all knew what it was trying to do.

Daisy Circuit itself uses a different colour palette to what the Mushroom Kingdom usually has. The course itself is set at dusk, and there's a use of tropical colours like green and yellow throughout.

Luigi Circuit at the credits portion uses the exact same color palette as Daisy Circuit.

This is not "palette" by the way. It's called "lighting". Of course it'll be yellow and green, that's what sunset does.

 

[Lin Beifong]

If they wanted to reference another game, it would have been far more evident. Baby Park knew this and we all knew what it was trying to do.

That's why, if they want to make a Sarasaland reference, they need to bring in the giant fly monsters, hopping easter island heads, fire-breathing sphinxes, and bouncing zombies.

 

[Magikrazy]

It wouldn't surprise me too much, but it is a bit of a stretch like you said.

I actually played Daisy Circuit a lot (although that may just be because it was in the Star Cup, which had some of my favorite tracks), but I never noticed that similarity. Then again, it took me a while to even realize the Baby Luigi/Baby Daisy statue (I thought it was just another Luigi/Daisy statue because I didn't really pay close attention to it), so maybe that's not saying much.

 

[DragonFreak]

Or it could be

Still a nice theory though

A "nice theory".

I am very confident that the circuit takes place in Daisy's home kingdom. There's even what appears to be a palace. Daisy Hills didn't really have a palace or any of the links to Sarasaland I saw here.

That's a very "nice" way to treat someone being very polite to you.

 

[memoryman3]

I really don't think there was a Sarasaland reference anywhere on this stage. I'm pretty sure the seaside resort thing is referencing the fact that Daisy had a cruiser in the last game and they wanted to add a nice little nod to it by making it a resort, with boats parked there and the boat being in the background iirc. And drawing a connection JUST because of the generically designed cliffs? That's not a connection, that's just the track having...well generically-designed cliffs. If the Sarasaland presence was also more pronounced, we would have seen advertisements and sponsorships for it instead of generic Daisy/Mario Kart ones.

If they wanted to reference another game, it would have been far more evident. Baby Park knew this and we all knew what it was trying to do.

Daisy Circuit itself uses a different colour palette to what the Mushroom Kingdom usually has. The course itself is set at dusk, and there's a use of tropical colours like green and yellow throughout.

Luigi Circuit at the credits portion uses the exact same color palette as Daisy Circuit.

This is not "palette" by the way. It's called "lighting". Of course it'll be yellow and green, that's what sunset does.

Baby Park has a lot of baby themed stuff. Peach, Daisy and Rosalina balloons, Mario, Luigi, Peach and Daisy's bottle rooms....Plus Bowser Jr's ship and Yoshi's Egg Ride. Seems like a pretty generic, non-Yoshi's Island Baby Course to me.

Nintendo CAN do references, but not in a way that would artistically clash. It's why Baby Rosalina doesn't have brown hair...and why we got Baby Daisy instead of Baby Wario in Mario Kart Wii and 8.

Zombies and Exploding Goombas wouldn't fit the course at all....but it's a shame that the Easton statues weren't used.

 

[Lord Bowser]

Baby Park has a lot of baby themed stuff. Peach, Daisy and Rosalina balloons, Mario, Luigi, Peach and Daisy's bottle rooms....Plus Bowser Jr's ship and Yoshi's Egg Ride. Seems like a pretty generic, non-Yoshi's Island Baby Course to me.

i believe you misunderstand the meaning of the word "generic"

Nintendo CAN do references, but not in a way that would artistically clash. It's why Baby Rosalina doesn't have brown hair...and why we got Baby Daisy instead of Baby Wario in Mario Kart Wii and 8.

Zombies and Exploding Goombas wouldn't fit the course at all....but it's a shame that the Easton statues weren't used.

and with this, you answered your own question. daisy circuit is not in sarasaland, as the most iconic features of sarasaland would stylistically clash with the rest of the track's setting. nintendo doesn't just reference for the sake of referencing; they do so in a way that fits the setting, and doing this with sarasaland would simply not work.

 

[memoryman3]

 

[Ray Trace]

Baby Park has a lot of baby themed stuff. Peach, Daisy and Rosalina balloons, Mario, Luigi, Peach and Daisy's bottle rooms....Plus Bowser Jr's ship and Yoshi's Egg Ride. Seems like a pretty generic, non-Yoshi's Island Baby Course to me.

I'm talking about the course in its Mario Kart: Double Dash iteration. Where it had Baby Bowser's ship, Kamek's castle, a Poochy attraction, a Yoshi helicopter, and Baby Mario and Baby Luigi drawn in the Yoshi's Island art style. It's very very clear that they are referencing Yoshi's Island. Mario Kart 8 removed it for some reason, but that doesn't mean the course's original iteration ceases to exist.

Another good example is Yoshi Park from Mario Kart Arcade GP 2, where it also used a similar Yoshi's Island artstyle in themed-rides, the first tunnel you go through is very reminiscent of Yoshi's Island.

My point is, if they wanted to reference another game, they'd be a lot more clear about it than relying on users to connect dots that aren't there in the first place, and connecting unrelated dots are a thing humans are too good at doing.

 

[memoryman3]

Ah, I understand now. Glad I came to this place before editing on the wiki....

...now to crawl back into sadness...

 

[Starlight24]

Aside from the ever so present oversensitivity in this place i gotta say that as far as i know , Daisy Circuit looks like it takes place in some random part of the Mushroom Kingdom and the only major envoirment change that everybody could associate with Daisy aside for all the obvious advertisement references is that the sky is set in sunset , making it orange ... you know daisy = orange etc , and that's it.

Sarasaland is a desert kingdom with according , to the information , has some asian and other inspirations on it , and wherever Daisy Circuit takes place looks nothing like a desert nor like it has enough references from SML itself.

 

[memoryman3]

I seriously don't think it's set in the Mushroom Kingdom. Why would Daisy need to use boat travel to get to one side of Peach's Kingdom? Why does Daisy use a cruiser often hmm? Probably to travel between Sarasaland and the Mushroom Kingdom, as a certain game suggested that there's a large body of water separating the two.

People forget that Sarasaland is only 1/4 desert.