Shigeru Miyamoto views games as products, not art
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Snowstalker said:
A bit, anyway.
Longest mario games honestly feel like with sm64 and sms, being large and open 3d platformers this is to be expected, but regardless.
Although really the length of Mario games isn't really that bad, at best it's actually pretty average and it's really hard to make side scrolling platformers have great length, even with limited lives and grand difficulty, even with huge levels have several different routes and exits.
If anything I'm not really concerned with length within a Mario game. There's more important things then that, such as level design, movement engine, and exploration.
That also brings to question with the rpgs, this usually isn't that bad though due to mario rpgs usually consisting of good customization(besides spm and smrpg), interactive battle system and usually enough side content to do well for quite a few days(besides m&l:pit).
Not to mention Ive found the rpgs to be immensely better anyway usually consisting of better writing and exploration.
So with ALL THAT IN MIND I don't think length is something you should really be concerned about.
Koopayoshi
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The only reason that they are is that there are no warps or time limits in levelsSnowstalker said:
The YI games are much, much longer if you try to complete them 100%. It took me at least 10 years to beat YI 100%. YIDS seems almost impossible to beat 100% because it's so hard.Koopa Kid said:
Nintendo should definitely make their games a little bit longer if they really care about their customers, though.
Koopayoshi
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I agree. I beat NSMB and NSMBW in 3 mounths
Snowstalker
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Fully or just getting to the end?
And YIDS's challenge mostly comes from Artoon's poor level design. By the later levels, they sort of gave up and went Kaizo.
And YIDS's challenge mostly comes from Artoon's poor level design. By the later levels, they sort of gave up and went Kaizo.
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The multiplayer spinoff Mario games keep me more occupied than the single player platformers. Super Mario Advance, though it was quite old, was still quick and easy (fun too) to 100%.
Length does not keep one occupied. I guess it's how fun the game is.
Length does not keep one occupied. I guess it's how fun the game is.
Length can be pretty significant.
But the real point in length is in sanctification of completing it and just because it doesn't have multiplayer means not a thing.
Considering the greatest of games haven't had that either.
Also doesn't matter all that much since people still love replaying smb3, sm64, and paper mario.
Also advance games were very dull and just simple ports, if anything they were nothing more then slight expansion.
It should also be noted that making platformers actually long is quite hard to do, even more open ones such as sm64, jak 2, and sonic 3k.
Which are considered among the most legendary of games, so judging a game, especially a platformer, on length is just really silly.
You want long games? Go play open world stuff, don't go in and expect any kind of platformer to have great length, because no matter what you put into it, it's not that simple to make one long to begin with.
This also brings to question of being off topic since this doesn't really have anything to do with games being considered products or form of art.
Which is also a pretty dumb subject due to that being entirely subjective/based on perspective.
But the real point in length is in sanctification of completing it and just because it doesn't have multiplayer means not a thing.
Considering the greatest of games haven't had that either.
Also doesn't matter all that much since people still love replaying smb3, sm64, and paper mario.
Also advance games were very dull and just simple ports, if anything they were nothing more then slight expansion.
It should also be noted that making platformers actually long is quite hard to do, even more open ones such as sm64, jak 2, and sonic 3k.
Which are considered among the most legendary of games, so judging a game, especially a platformer, on length is just really silly.
You want long games? Go play open world stuff, don't go in and expect any kind of platformer to have great length, because no matter what you put into it, it's not that simple to make one long to begin with.
This also brings to question of being off topic since this doesn't really have anything to do with games being considered products or form of art.
Which is also a pretty dumb subject due to that being entirely subjective/based on perspective.
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Well, the Advance games were the only access I had to the classic games, and I still had fun with that.
The main reason I play games is for entertainment, not for beating it.
The main reason I play games is for entertainment, not for beating it.
Baby Luigi said:
Well that's you really. A lot of people play games due to having felt satisfied with completing it.
Of course this is entirely irrelevant to multiplayer games.
Although mario doesn't exactly have the most optimized and interesting multi either.......
Zae said:
Mario Kart's, Mario Parties & NSMBWii disagree with that statement
Crackin355 said:
Mario kart is irrelevant due to much better racing games such as extreme-g, f-zero, and wipeout. MK is also horribly slow and overall boring(mainly compared to the games i just listed).
Mario party has become dull since 2 so that's hardly a good argument.
NSMBwii is the only thing ive not bothered with. Probably because I generally don't like it much to begin with.
Mario multi is pretty bad anyway compared with many other better multiplayer games as well.
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I ENJOY FUNHerr Shyguy said:
That's why I love that game
Koopa Kid said:
That really doesn't have much to do with anything due to the fact everyone does.
Saying OH YOU HATE FUN SO YOU HATE THIS is a retarded argument and not only makes you look silly, but does not back up your statement at all lmao.
Seriously dudes try the games I said, you might have a totally different opinion then.
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I'm not judging any games by length, but sometimes, it bothers me that some of the Mario games can be 100%'d in a few days.
And the music isn't very sophisticated. If I hear good background music, I would listen to it and maybe consider hearing it better in Youtube or something. Orchestrated music like in Super Mario Galaxy should have come earlier. Actually, I want either complex MIDI music or music using actual instruments.
And the music isn't very sophisticated. If I hear good background music, I would listen to it and maybe consider hearing it better in Youtube or something. Orchestrated music like in Super Mario Galaxy should have come earlier. Actually, I want either complex MIDI music or music using actual instruments.
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lol at this thread
Taking translated stuff out of context never gets old
Taking translated stuff out of context never gets old
Garlic Man
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I only skimmed this thread the first time but now that I read it into more detail my lol is turning quickly into many facepalms.
I mean seriously, is that what you guys get out of the article? That Miyamoto is a greedy capitalist bastard that says "Fuck games, show me the money?"
I mean seriously, is that what you guys get out of the article? That Miyamoto is a greedy capitalist bastard that says "Fuck games, show me the money?"
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As the title Says.
Maybe is just Miyamoto the one with that point of view. And maybe he did thought of it as art at the beginning(didn't he wanted to be an artist too when he did the first SMB?)
newer games do have his influence in a lot of factors.
(but the newer ones also have a lot more people working on them. You require some love or at least liking what you do. And i do think they think about them as art.)
he just became a business Man over the time. He isn't the same fella that ideated first Mario games at the beginning. At least. That's my point of view.
Maybe is just Miyamoto the one with that point of view. And maybe he did thought of it as art at the beginning(didn't he wanted to be an artist too when he did the first SMB?)
newer games do have his influence in a lot of factors.
(but the newer ones also have a lot more people working on them. You require some love or at least liking what you do. And i do think they think about them as art.)
he just became a business Man over the time. He isn't the same fella that ideated first Mario games at the beginning. At least. That's my point of view.