Can Town (The Official Homestuck Thread)

Favorite Troll?

  • Aradia Megido

    Votes: 10 16.1%

  • Tavros Nitram

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Sollux Captor

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Karkat Vantas

    Votes: 24 38.7%

  • Nepeta Leijon

    Votes: 15 24.2%

  • Kanaya Maryam

    Votes: 8 12.9%

  • Terezi Pyrope

    Votes: 21 33.9%

  • Vriska Serket

    Votes: 10 16.1%

  • Equius Zahhak

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Gamzee Makara

    Votes: 7 11.3%

  • Eridan Ampora

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Feferi Peixes

    Votes: 9 14.5%
  • Total voters
    62
I'm the opposite: closed time loops are neat and clever to me, while the "change the past" stuff always seems sloppy, cheap, boring and implausible. Aside from John getting unstuck, Homestuck is actually pretty good about keeping the time loops stable and plausible (so far); stuff doesn't change, but always happened that way and caused itself to happen: that makes sense. (In the alpha timeline, at any rate- the doomed timelines are another kettle of fish, but as far as dealing with time paradoxes, it's inventive, at least.)
 
oh yeah changing the past is even worse than closed time loops

but yeah if homestuck's science was a focus then i'd probably dismiss it as i've dismissed doctor who
 
Well yeah. The universe is a frog. Not good science there, but damn if it ain't an interesting creation myth to think of universes as a bunch of reproducing organisms instead of the current "this is a one-off thing that just started we don't know how and it going to end in total energy blackout" idea you hear a lot these days (which strikes me as sucky theory, personally).
 
Me: man that update
Me: the artifacts have returned but more worse
Bones: They cant really HARM people...right?
Me: I don't know
Me: being glitched out might be a painful thing idk
Me: body parts being misplaced and shit
Me: we would ask missingno but all we would get is garbled noises
Bones: But does that really happen
Me: idk
Me: but remember what happens in a corrupted game
Me: everything is like lost
Me: literally
Me: not even blowing the cartdrige can save it
Me: kind of like if you damage your cartdrige too much
Me: it'll eventually corrupt
Me: and be unable to save, render stuff correctly and all that kind of things
Bones: Shits getting too meta
 
Walkazo said:
Well yeah. The universe is a frog. Not good science there, but damn if it ain't an interesting creation myth to think of universes as a bunch of reproducing organisms instead of the current "this is a one-off thing that just started we don't know how and it going to end in total energy blackout" idea you hear a lot these days (which strikes me as sucky theory, personally).
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I forget what author but there was a book I read once where it was postulated that stars and planets were sentient beings, but communicated and operated in ways that were unfathomable to humans.

I suppose you could extend that to universes as well.
 
Didn't Rose already perma-die in Cascade? That's what it felt like to me anyway.
 
SiFi said:
Didn't Rose already perma-die in Cascade? That's what it felt like to me anyway.
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THIS IS NO TIME FOR YOUR RIDICULOUS PRETENDING THAT CANON DOESN'T EXIST

THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A HEROIC DEATLASKDNFLKASJBDFASDFLAJSDNFLAKSJDBFASLKDJFBASKLDFHJBASDFA
 
"Heroic" and "just" don't really matter when she never made it to God Tier in the first place.
 
I CAN'T EVEN DEAL WITH THIS RIGHT NOW, SOMEONE HELP

I'M LITERALLY MORE ANGRY AT THIS THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE ENTIRE STORY BECAUSE AT LEAST THOSE HAD SOME LOGIC BEHIND THEM
 
Nothing that's happened to Rose in Act 6 has had any logic behind it beyond Andrew wanting to strip her of anything that made her a good character.
 
Yeah, not seeing how this counts as a Heroic death. All she did was kinda just dash towards the Condense, but I guess that qualifies enough for heroic? Even if it was for "the intention of trying to stop her" that's still bullshit. So how long until John dies?
 
SiFi said:
Nothing that's happened to Rose in Act 6 has had any logic behind it beyond Andrew wanting to strip her of anything that made her a good character.
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well if you wanted her to remain a perfect unflawed character through then entire story then i guess so but that's a silly perspective

act 6 intermissions let us see more of rose's emotional side and she became less 100% perfect and started second guessing herself, probably because of mistakes made in the past (believing scratch that the tumor would destroy the green sun, trying to fight jack noir on her own, etc.)

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS ANYMORE
Gamefreak75 said:
So how long until John dies?
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That would be the last straw and I would then endorse the "doomed timeline" theory that I still don't think is happening.
 
She could still have gone through that while keeping her dignity intact.
 
I'm cool with how she became more flawed as a character and whatnot, but I didn't like how she seemed to start drinking excessively and all the time, seeing as she hated how her mother did the same thing and you'd think she'd be smart enough to not do the exact same thing. Of course, you see history repeating itself within families IRL too, so I guess I can sorta see where Hussie was coming from with that, but still, I thought it was a bit over-the-top.

Anyway, regarding the update
I guess it still counted as Heroic because she was trying to kill Sea Hitler and avenge her dead girlfriend when she got mortally wounded? I was hoping that a delayed death would stave off the Heroic judgement, but I guess not...

Also makes me wonder if they tried to kill her before she succumbed to her injuries, then that still wouldn't work because although she would've been mercy-killed, it was still ultimately brought about by her attempted heroics against the Condesce, which Sburb or Paradox Space or whatever would've taken into account, as it did with the delayed death.

Nice to see a statue of Nix, tho.
 
Still hanging on to my "Hussie is secretly dating Lauren Faust" theory.
 
Walkazo said:
I guess it still counted as Heroic because she was trying to kill Sea Hitler and avenge her dead girlfriend when she got mortally wounded? I was hoping that a delayed death would stave off the Heroic judgement, but I guess not...
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It's exactly the same as when John was going to fight Jack Noir to avenge his Dad and got instakilled, but that didn't count as Heroic.

Literally the only explanation I can come up with is that the clock is busted because of Aranea's messing with it.
 
If Aranea was still controlling the clock, then she wouldn't've let herself die Justly. Plus, the clock's timeline doesn't seem to follow in lock-step with the kids and trolls and whatnot, seeing as when Vriska died, Slick smashed the clock, and then later found that the pendumum ball was missing, iirc, before he entered the current session, but it's all better save for Aranea's meddling for Jade's death.

Maybe it's because John didn't even get a chance to make a move? Rose was at least charging the Condesce when she got cut down (and might've even stood a chance at harming her had she not been stopped), but all John did was pull out his hammer against an unbeatable foe and then "nope, you're dead", which is hardly heroic.

Although, overall, this makes me feel like Gods are a lot easier to kill than what was led on: two regenerations vs. eight deaths? Yeah, real immunity there.

Gabumon said:
Still hanging on to my "Hussie is secretly J. K. Rowling" theory.
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Y'know, Shakespeare was murdering copious amounts of cast members way before J. K. Rowling, but people don't give him flack. Like, Hamlet's death count was 90% of the central cast: much more than HP7. And sorta on-par with Homestuck, actually. Except HS is supposedly a comedy, and Shake's comedies were the ones without the massive body piles (that's how you tell them apart from the tragedies).
 
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