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Marioguy1 said:Hey everybody! Stop what you're doing, I was bored so I made some speculation about active/passive classes:
Note: Passive first, then active
- Rogue/Thief - Confirmed; a Rogue steals for others, a Thief steals for self.
- Bard/Prince - Confirmed; a Bard allows destruction, a Prince causes it.
- Maid/Knight - Maids and Knights are both medieval figures who are often related to eachother (moreover "maidens" I guess). In homestuck, Aradia (maid of time) seems to be more of an aid to the rest of her team, not taking any active role and just giving them information (could be related to time?). Another point would be Jane, who seems to have healing abilities - healers aren't usually active players on a team. Meanwhile Dave (and Karkat I guess) seem to be the much more active on their teams being as they are (Dave) a warrior and (Karkat) the leader.
- Page/Heir - Both Pages and Heirs are something to be. I can't really find any points as to why Tavros and John are active/passive, but in history, Pages usually serve (retrieve things for their masters) and Heirs usually are served (they have servants).
- Seer/Mage - Both are related to getting information (Rose can often see the future, Sollux has visions of his death) however Rose uses the information to help her team (Terezi too I guess) but Sollux uses it for himself.
- Sylph/Witch - A Sylph is a manifestation of an element, a Witch can manipulate an element. Sylphs are that which is manipulated (passive), Witches do the manipulation (active).
So yeah, I'm pretty sure those are the pairings of the classes.
For brownie points, here's my theory on genders:
Sylph - Female only (usually defined as female spirits) | Witch - Female only (I've never seen a male witch (female wizards =/= male witch))
Rogue - Mostly Female (conf.) | Thief - Mostly Female (conf.)
Bard - Male only (conf.) | Prince - Male only (conf.)
Page - Mostly Male (Pages are usually male, though female pages have been seen) | Heir - Mostly Male (same as Page)
Maid - Female only (Maids are only ever female) | Knight - Male only (I have heard of female knights, but I already used up all my "Mostly Males" - plus in the medieval sense (which I am basing these two on), then Knights are males)
Seer - Mostly Female (I used up all my "Female onlys" plus seers are usually female) | Mage - Mostly Male (Mages and Sages are the male users of magic)
I matched the genders with the class pairings, if you're wondering.
Now respond :D
And most likely, point out flaws
tl;dr speculation, either read it or don't
Marioguy1 said:Slight speculation ramification:
-Heir: Passive
-Page: Active
It used to be the opposite. The reason for it is that Heir being active leaves the first group of kids with three active members (Heir, Knight, Witch) and one passive. Likewise, it leaves the second group of kids with three passive members (Maid, Page, Rogue) and one active.
Doing this balances it out perfectly. And, like many things in homestuck, yo can make it work out: Heirs are being trained so that they may help the people (kind of like a benevolent prince) while pages seek simply their own glory.
Following through on what Hussie said about Prospit dreamers being passive classes and Dersite dreamers being active classes, I've correlated that with my speculation.
Maid - Aradia (Derse), Jane (Prospit) = Neutral (Does not oppose my theory)
Knight - Dave (Derse), Karkat (Prospit) = Neutral (Does not oppose my theory)
Page - Tavros (Prospit), Jake (Prospit) = Highly Passive (Supports my theory)
Heir - John (Prospit), Equius (Derse) = Neutral (Active through process of elimination, supports my theory)
Seer - Rose (Derse), Terezi (Prospit) = Neutral (though Hussie kind of confirmed it passive, ruining my theory)
Mage - Sollux (f*ck) = Neutral (Active through process of elimination, supports my theory, but also ruins it)
Sylph - Kanaya (Prospit) = Highly Active (Opposes my theory, but see below)
Witch - Jane (Prospit), Feferi (Derse) = Neutral (though Hussie kind of confirmed it active, confirming my theory)
So, looking at this, I think everything holds water except Seer/Mage. As for that, I'm considering rearranging those to be Seer (Passive)/Witch (Active) and Sylph (Passive)/Mage (Active). In addition, I'd like to point out that in Calliope's session, she and her brother are the most passive and active classes possible. This implies that sessions need balanced passive and active players. So this theory also supports that.
Another possibility would be Mage (Passive)/Sylph (Active), which agrees with Kanaya being a Prospitian dreamer. Though Sylphs are healers and that seems unlikely...
EDIT: I forgot I switched around Heir and Page...now those also make less sense. I can't switch them back without unbalancing both the pre and post scratch kids' sessions, so I'm kind of stuck. The only possibility here to keep balance and follow continuity would be to switch Knight to Passive and Maid to Active, which seems so unlikely.
Ironically, I do like that character. I mean he actually managed to shut Karkat up.Nabber said:EDIT: EVEN MORE OH GOD BONES IS GOING TO LOVE
QUIRKKankri's (aka "The Insufferable"
Caliborn prototyped it, but the Red Sun became a dying Star, so either way he'd be extremely powerfulMarioguy1 said:Just rewatched Caliborn: Enter and I realized - the thing sucking up the red sun is Caliborn's Kernelsprite....does that mean that Caliborn prototyped the Red Sun? If the Red Sun really does become the Green Sun, then that could explain where Lord English's unlimited power comes from.
That makes sense.Gray Mann said:The two kernelsprites attempted to prototype each other, which created a black hole, which prototyped Caliborn, the Red Sun, and the rest of the dying universe into what I assume to be Lord English.
Marioguy1 said:Just rewatched Caliborn: Enter and I realized - the thing sucking up the red sun is Caliborn's Kernelsprite....does that mean that Caliborn prototyped the Red Sun? If the Red Sun really does become the Green Sun, then that could explain where Lord English's unlimited power comes from.
Marioguy1 said:As a second part to my speculation, DAMN HUSSIE. He ruined it all! He stuck a damn FEMALE KNIGHT into the story. That ruins my male only thing X_X
Gonna have to completely redo that entire list sometime, but I'm not doing it now.
Hey FKFireKirby said:Hey MG1
you thought knights were male only and seers were female only.
well you're wrong.
well I edited my post before you posted.Marioguy1 said:Marioguy1 said:As a second part to my speculation, DAMN HUSSIE. He ruined it all! He stuck a damn FEMALE KNIGHT into the story. That ruins my male only thing X_X
Gonna have to completely redo that entire list sometime, but I'm not doing it now.Hey FKFireKirby said:Hey MG1
you thought knights were male only and seers were female only.
well you're wrong.
lrn2read
Your edit to your post just goes to show that you need to slow down and read posts properly, as you have seemingly skipped over two of mine already.FireKirby said:well I edited my post before you posted.Marioguy1 said:Marioguy1 said:As a second part to my speculation, DAMN HUSSIE. He ruined it all! He stuck a damn FEMALE KNIGHT into the story. That ruins my male only thing X_X
Gonna have to completely redo that entire list sometime, but I'm not doing it now.Hey FKFireKirby said:Hey MG1
you thought knights were male only and seers were female only.
well you're wrong.
lrn2read
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