Can Town (The Official Homestuck Thread)

Favorite Troll?

  • Aradia Megido

    Votes: 10 16.1%
  • Tavros Nitram

    Votes: 6 9.7%
  • Sollux Captor

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Karkat Vantas

    Votes: 24 38.7%
  • Nepeta Leijon

    Votes: 15 24.2%
  • Kanaya Maryam

    Votes: 8 12.9%
  • Terezi Pyrope

    Votes: 21 33.9%
  • Vriska Serket

    Votes: 10 16.1%
  • Equius Zahhak

    Votes: 4 6.5%
  • Gamzee Makara

    Votes: 7 11.3%
  • Eridan Ampora

    Votes: 6 9.7%
  • Feferi Peixes

    Votes: 9 14.5%

  • Total voters
    62
I don't know, but due to the absurd way their session works, I'd say one has to predominate over the other before they start playing it.

Actually, this reminds me of a conversation I had with 2257 about the subject once. Our conclusion was that homestuck itself was the reason that Calliope lost her predomination struggle with her brother.

Calliope has been exposed to the events of the human and troll sessions through the writings of Rose and contact with her human friends. This gave her an understanding of the culture of social species. Fascinated by this, she assimilated alien concepts such as compassion, pleasantness, and collaboration into her behavior, which ultimately weakened her position in the struggle and allowed Caliborn to take advantage of her. So essentially, her love of homestuck doomed her.

The version of Calliope that predominated says she has been lonely forever, and alpha Calliope theorizes that she never had human friends. So that Calliope probably never read Homestuck, never understood compassion, and never gave her brother a chance to take advantage. This supports the theory that reading or not reading Homestuck is the deciding factor in whether Calliope dominates or is dominated.

We then theorized that, in a shitty twist, it was Caliborn himself that arranged for Calliope to learn about Homestuck. To make sure she is weakened and to ensure his existence as the one who predominated. Caliborn acts through his agents, so if this theory is true, we can assume that it was probably Gamzee who brought Rose's writings, and everything else, to the young cherubs when they hatched.

But through John's changes, Gamzee presumably has been disabled as an agent, meaning he never brings Homestuck to Calliope, she never understands alien customs, and she turns into the version of Calliope that Jade saw. Meaning that it would explicitly be John's retcons that allowed Calliope to predominate instead of her brother. Which in a roundabout way would constitute as John using the powers of the retconny house as a weapon against Caliborn, by creating the one person that is an even match for him.

This is very silly.
 
I think the messiah!Calliope will be the one we know in the end, not Muse Calliope.

But if this is played straight, John and Roxy will end up in a universe populated by people who look like their friends, but are actually different people. If you've ever lost contact with a friend for several years and suddenly they come back completely changed, you pretty much know what that feels like.
It's only really Jade, Vriska and the dead trolls that'll be different for John, seeing as he was separated from everyone on the meteor anyway and didn't know what they were up to for the most part. I also feel like the changes to the B2 kids' session will be minimal, especially if Gamzee still prototypes the corpses minus Vriska, so aside from Jane potentially having a nice, singular Tavrosprite for the couple months of their session (I forget how long it was exactly), Roxy's friends shouldn't be strangers to her at all.
 
Didn't she herself say the one they're looking for is not her, but the version of her that predominated?

EDIT:
Also, sorry for the ranting in general. I'm not actually that mad at the retcon stuff (annoyed, but not mad). It's just that I hate how this kind of plot element is usually handled in fiction, and I have some sour memories associated with it that I'm projecting.

As long as hamsteak doesn't try to play this as a "resurrection" and as long as it acknowledges that these new iterations are actually separate characters, I am fine with it. It actually has made a couple steps in the right direction already, what with Typheus' choice and the acknowledgement that all of John's friends are dead.
 
Genji said:
Didn't she herself say the one they're looking for is not her, but the version of her that predominated?
But that's just poor Callie feeling lowly of herself. Of course she wouldn't think she has it in her to defeat Caliborn, and that it would be better if she stays dead while some more important version of her saves the day. But in this story, she's the hero. It's her. Her and the other kids we care about, not their alternate grown-up selves. Plus, Callie is half of the fandom avatar whereas Muse Calliope isn't, and the meta thing to do would be to have the fandom girl be in the center of the resolution to the shitstorm caused by the fandumb/hatedom boy.
 
Walkazo said:
But in this story, she's the hero. It's her. Her and the other kids we care about, not their alternate grown-up selves.

But that kind of contradicts what is happening. If we're supposed to care about the kids and not their alternate selves, then why does the story kill off all the kids and replace them with their alternate selves?

If that's really the message Hussie is going for, he is sending a mixed signal here.

EDIT:

Holy shit, you'll never guess what I just found in a drawer while cleaning the house.

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Genji said:
Walkazo said:
But in this story, she's the hero. It's her. Her and the other kids we care about, not their alternate grown-up selves.
But that kind of contradicts what is happening. If we're supposed to care about the kids and not their alternate selves, then why does the story kill off all the kids and replace them with their alternate selves?

If that's really the message Hussie is going for, he is sending a mixed signal here.
Their alternate selves now are still 80% them, just with the last 3 years changed (or last hour or so for the B2 kids, plus possibly sprite stuff, and I suppose Vriska had longer to diverge in the in meddled timeline), and it's likely that a lot of things still happened similarly. Muse Calliope and regular Calliope had completely different pasts, however: aside from their love of storytelling, they're rather different people, and Muse Calliope sounded like she was all grown up, to add further divergence.
 
You know...I feel ashamed for forgetting about this, but there actually was another show that did is. A show I consider to be one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched: FRINGE.
Basically, one of the protagonists had to use a machine in order to restore balance and peace between two parallel universes (long story). He pretty much does this at the end of season 3. This results in him getting erased from existence, creating a new timeline where he died a child (it makes sense in context but i won't go into details). He somehow (again, details) ends up in this new timeline, where many changes occurred, and many personalities were changed. Eventually, though, he adapts to his old friends and vice versa. This was sad, terribly sad but was handled perfectly because they didn't just change the materialistic ramifications of the character's erasure, but also the influence he had on the other characters.
And I'm certainly hoping Homestuck does that too.
 
Marowak said:
You know...I feel ashamed for forgetting about this, but there actually was another show that did is. A show I consider to be one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched: FRINGE.
Basically, one of the protagonists had to use a machine in order to restore balance and peace between two parallel universes (long story). He pretty much does this at the end of season 3. This results in him getting erased from existence, creating a new timeline where he died a child (it makes sense in context but i won't go into details). He somehow (again, details) ends up in this new timeline, where many changes occurred, and many personalities were changed. Eventually, though, he adapts to his old friends and vice versa. This was sad, terribly sad but was handled perfectly because they didn't just change the materialistic ramifications of the character's erasure, but also the influence he had on the other characters.
And I'm certainly hoping Homestuck does that too.

A boy like that must have had a loving father. :(

also let's be friends
 
Doctor Walter Bishop said:
Marowak said:
You know...I feel ashamed for forgetting about this, but there actually was another show that did is. A show I consider to be one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched: FRINGE.
Basically, one of the protagonists had to use a machine in order to restore balance and peace between two parallel universes (long story). He pretty much does this at the end of season 3. This results in him getting erased from existence, creating a new timeline where he died a child (it makes sense in context but i won't go into details). He somehow (again, details) ends up in this new timeline, where many changes occurred, and many personalities were changed. Eventually, though, he adapts to his old friends and vice versa. This was sad, terribly sad but was handled perfectly because they didn't just change the materialistic ramifications of the character's erasure, but also the influence he had on the other characters.
And I'm certainly hoping Homestuck does that too.

A boy like that must have had a loving father. :(

also let's be friends
He had the best father ever :3
let's
 
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I prefer Cal as a hand puppet. Call me biased, but hand puppets are the best kinds of puppets.
 
I would call you biased, but then again it is hard to make any change to cal and have it NOT be an improvement.
 
Also calling it now Aradia's the one who died last time. I noticed as early as the second page of this that she's conspicuously absent.
 
Hey Edo have you seen the latest page of Paradox Space? It reminds me a heck of a lot of what you told me about Karkat.
 
okay so i felt inclined to read a paradox space comic for once and holy shit that was hands-down the best sex scene i've ever read

i'm just going to assume troll clippy is canon

also lol karkat being an obsessive anime screenwriter/cinephile is basically the best thing
 
SiFi said:
Hey Edo have you seen the latest page of Paradox Space? It reminds me a heck of a lot of what you told me about Karkat.
Yeah, it really does.

I like how the whole story started out as "lol, Karkat makes himself a Mary Sue in his silly AU", but then Future Karkat comes in and it's like wham, oh right, almost all his friends are dead, gone or have major problems (pre-retcon, anyway) and he blames himself for everything - and suddenly the fix-it fic is as poignant as it is satirical.

Really looking forward to seeing what happens in the last page on Monday. And to see what happens to Homestuck itself, for that matter. Hard to believe it's almost here - my first 4/13 and it's gonna be a biggun: soooo excited!
 
SiFi said:
Hey Edo have you seen the latest page of Paradox Space? It reminds me a heck of a lot of what you told me about Karkat.

I haven't read it yet. Looking at it now, it's a 50 page comic, which I don't have the time and energy to read right now. But I'll get back to you when I did. Probably some time the coming weekend or something.

EDIT:
Nevermind, I just read it. I see what you mean. It pretty much captures what I think Karkat essentially is.

This was a pretty good comic. Very funny and silly, with the ending casting the silliness into an entirely different light. To be honest, I enjoyed this comic just now much more than the actual update earlier.
 
so how literally am i supposed to be interpreting what i'm being shown right now
 
I am assuming this very unclimactic presentation of the final battle is just a way to establish what would have happened pre-retcon, and that the actual post-retcon final battle will be shown properly.

That way it would allow people to appreciate the changes John's antics have made more.
 
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