Unpopular opinions about the Mario series
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Meowth said:
I agree with this
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Mario is a primary color of both light and paint.Meta Knight said:
You're right....Meowth said:
...get out.Meowth said:
You too.Meta Knight said:
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Zae Eildus said:
i'd agree with you with that since super mario galaxy 2, the most blatant rehash ever, avoids criticism that is typical of games that do similar things to galaxy 2
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I wouldn't say the entire Mario franchise, but you're pretty close.
im more focused on the racing games, the platformers, and the rpgs.
mario karts to me dont seem that good, sluggish and very bad balance. This is really seen in smk, mk64, and mksc. Wii and dd was here and there, and mk7 is here and there too.
Ai can be a bit unfair in my opinion especially in some of the later games as it seems like times where every ai player just sends item in your direction, which is dumb.
I like most tracks though, and most modes, although mk8's battle mode seems really pathetic. Can't say i like a lot of its music either, aside from rainbow road i cant really think of many songs.
I'd say the worst of it though is smk, mk64, mksc, and mkds. Alot of mario kart games just seem so blown out of porportion, especially when there are more deserving racing gaems such as kirby's air ride, f-zero gx, extreme-g 3, sonic & sega allstars transformed and maybe some others.
platformers i usually like but going back and playing them and they just feel kinda meager. While smb2, 3, and w still hold up. smb1, lost levels, the hordes of nsmb games, just seem so.... bland. Honestly compared to some other platformers i like, such as shantae, they feel lacking, also more fond of castlevania(not the platformer rpgs) than these. Idk about the yoshi and wario games, im mostly neautral on them. the 3d platformers are alright though, well at least sm64 and sms, even though those have issues of their own, they often do well in other categories.
as a lot of you know, im not fond of smg, mostly due to its massive linearity compared to the previous 3d platformers and its just not enjoyable compared to other 3d platformers like spyro, jak 2, and ratchet & clank. Maybe im being unfair but smg was just not very interesting, i mean the gravity thing was a neat idea but it often didnt really seem to be used to full advantage, or maybe im more dislking the insanely small size of each galaxy, not sure. Although ill praise the living hell out of smg's ost. smg2 looks horrible in my opinion, ive not played it, but im not really impressed with the ost and it seems even more linear than smg. Ive heard people say its hard, but ive seen some lps and other gameplay videos and it just seems as easy... actually it seems EASIER in a lot of areas.
my next beef is the rpgs. As probably the entire community knows i adore rpgs to my hearts content. While i do like pm 1 & 2, as well as m&lss and bowsers inside story. I still feel that these games are ungodly overrated, while they are good games, but so many people proclaim these games are like the second coming of christ or something. Maybe its because so many rpgs now have better combat systems and more battle customization.
While the storylines arent too bad and the characters are good(sometimes music). I feel the combat being rather lackluster even compared to other turned based rpgs (such as smt nocturne, mana khemia, and legend of dragoon). People really overstate that the battle system is the best among turn based rpgs.
my biggest beef though, is with spm. Why do people praise its gameplay of all things? it doesnt even fly as a decent platformer rpg, as it lacks very little and not even your "partners" dont do much or add much to the game, just to solve a few things or move faster, when it comes to combat they're not really that useful.
I also dont get why the storyline is considered "good". I mean the storyline is basically dude cant get into a relationship with his chick so he must destroy the universe. Which is dumb and even worse than romantic plotlines in games such as ff8 or ToTA.
But yeah, maybe im being too serious or looking too much into it. I dont hate the franchise mind you, but i think a lot of people give too much praise to the series when they dont even attempt to look into other franchises which can do the same or even more in many cases.
mario karts to me dont seem that good, sluggish and very bad balance. This is really seen in smk, mk64, and mksc. Wii and dd was here and there, and mk7 is here and there too.
Ai can be a bit unfair in my opinion especially in some of the later games as it seems like times where every ai player just sends item in your direction, which is dumb.
I like most tracks though, and most modes, although mk8's battle mode seems really pathetic. Can't say i like a lot of its music either, aside from rainbow road i cant really think of many songs.
I'd say the worst of it though is smk, mk64, mksc, and mkds. Alot of mario kart games just seem so blown out of porportion, especially when there are more deserving racing gaems such as kirby's air ride, f-zero gx, extreme-g 3, sonic & sega allstars transformed and maybe some others.
platformers i usually like but going back and playing them and they just feel kinda meager. While smb2, 3, and w still hold up. smb1, lost levels, the hordes of nsmb games, just seem so.... bland. Honestly compared to some other platformers i like, such as shantae, they feel lacking, also more fond of castlevania(not the platformer rpgs) than these. Idk about the yoshi and wario games, im mostly neautral on them. the 3d platformers are alright though, well at least sm64 and sms, even though those have issues of their own, they often do well in other categories.
as a lot of you know, im not fond of smg, mostly due to its massive linearity compared to the previous 3d platformers and its just not enjoyable compared to other 3d platformers like spyro, jak 2, and ratchet & clank. Maybe im being unfair but smg was just not very interesting, i mean the gravity thing was a neat idea but it often didnt really seem to be used to full advantage, or maybe im more dislking the insanely small size of each galaxy, not sure. Although ill praise the living hell out of smg's ost. smg2 looks horrible in my opinion, ive not played it, but im not really impressed with the ost and it seems even more linear than smg. Ive heard people say its hard, but ive seen some lps and other gameplay videos and it just seems as easy... actually it seems EASIER in a lot of areas.
my next beef is the rpgs. As probably the entire community knows i adore rpgs to my hearts content. While i do like pm 1 & 2, as well as m&lss and bowsers inside story. I still feel that these games are ungodly overrated, while they are good games, but so many people proclaim these games are like the second coming of christ or something. Maybe its because so many rpgs now have better combat systems and more battle customization.
While the storylines arent too bad and the characters are good(sometimes music). I feel the combat being rather lackluster even compared to other turned based rpgs (such as smt nocturne, mana khemia, and legend of dragoon). People really overstate that the battle system is the best among turn based rpgs.
my biggest beef though, is with spm. Why do people praise its gameplay of all things? it doesnt even fly as a decent platformer rpg, as it lacks very little and not even your "partners" dont do much or add much to the game, just to solve a few things or move faster, when it comes to combat they're not really that useful.
I also dont get why the storyline is considered "good". I mean the storyline is basically dude cant get into a relationship with his chick so he must destroy the universe. Which is dumb and even worse than romantic plotlines in games such as ff8 or ToTA.
But yeah, maybe im being too serious or looking too much into it. I dont hate the franchise mind you, but i think a lot of people give too much praise to the series when they dont even attempt to look into other franchises which can do the same or even more in many cases.
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I rate that wall of text 7/8. A lot of your points are valid in my book.
spm has a clown as the main villain and clowns as main villains is the coolest clichee of all time
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Well I'd disagree on Kirby Air Ride being better than, say, Mario Kart 7 or Mario Kart 8, I DO believe it's a better game than Double Dash. I will never understand the Double Dash praise it's been getting, the two-racer mechanic, now that I look to it, doesn't really add much to the gameplay at all other than having two of your favorites instead of one. I've wasted more of my time in City Trial than anything else. However, the rest of Kirby Air Ride's modes feel shallow and bare. Something doesn't stir well with me when only one mode is really worth playing. Air Ride and Top Ride are fun in quick bursts but neither of them can even touch City Trial with a mile long stick.
I haven't played the other racing games, but bear in mind that I do have personal bias for Mario Kart than the other racing games. Hell it took me a while to admit Kirby Air Ride is a better game than Double Dash. I've heard F-Zero's difficulty is...difficult and that's a bit off-putting for me.
The only other racing games I've played are Beetle Adventure Racing and Diddy Kong Racing, both on the N64 and both of which I can say are better than Mario Kart 64, in which I think it's nearly a fundamentally broken game.
I'd agree with platformers being overrated, but I think New Super Mario Bros. is a bit underrated if anything. Sure it started the trend of rehashed platformers but for its time, it was the first classic 2d Mario platformer that isn't a remake in, well, decades. I do have bias for it considering that it was probably the first Mario platformer I played but....yeah. The problem with Super Mario platformer these days is that they're mostly just platforming. The games you listed, they're hybrids (I think), they have genres of other stuff rather than just platforming. These days, modern innovative video games often blend two or more genres together, and sticking with pure platforming sounds really vanilla compared when you mix things up like Kirby or Rayman, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they turn out more fun than Mario.
Yes, the Mario RPGs are vastly overrated. I don't think Thousand-Year Door is even that great of an RPG by itself. Sure when you look at the context of the Mario series, it's pretty great, but when you compare it to the entire scope of RPGs, it's fairly mediocre. I'm not going to say my opinions on Partners in Time though, I'm heavily biased for that game and I can't really offer a reasonable opinion.
Don't worry, you're not the only one who thinks Super Paper Mario's storyline is melodramatic bullcrap that takes itself way too seriously and "hurr durr why not have the main villain destroy things that's so edgy"
I haven't played the other racing games, but bear in mind that I do have personal bias for Mario Kart than the other racing games. Hell it took me a while to admit Kirby Air Ride is a better game than Double Dash. I've heard F-Zero's difficulty is...difficult and that's a bit off-putting for me.
The only other racing games I've played are Beetle Adventure Racing and Diddy Kong Racing, both on the N64 and both of which I can say are better than Mario Kart 64, in which I think it's nearly a fundamentally broken game.
I'd agree with platformers being overrated, but I think New Super Mario Bros. is a bit underrated if anything. Sure it started the trend of rehashed platformers but for its time, it was the first classic 2d Mario platformer that isn't a remake in, well, decades. I do have bias for it considering that it was probably the first Mario platformer I played but....yeah. The problem with Super Mario platformer these days is that they're mostly just platforming. The games you listed, they're hybrids (I think), they have genres of other stuff rather than just platforming. These days, modern innovative video games often blend two or more genres together, and sticking with pure platforming sounds really vanilla compared when you mix things up like Kirby or Rayman, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they turn out more fun than Mario.
Yes, the Mario RPGs are vastly overrated. I don't think Thousand-Year Door is even that great of an RPG by itself. Sure when you look at the context of the Mario series, it's pretty great, but when you compare it to the entire scope of RPGs, it's fairly mediocre. I'm not going to say my opinions on Partners in Time though, I'm heavily biased for that game and I can't really offer a reasonable opinion.
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Don't worry, you're not the only one who thinks Super Paper Mario's storyline is melodramatic bullcrap that takes itself way too seriously and "hurr durr why not have the main villain destroy things that's so edgy"
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I like Double Dash because of nostalgia, the faster pace, and Petey Piranha. As well as some cool tracks. The special items were also fun.
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Stay off this text, jerks! He has personal issues.
Your points seem pretty valid. SPM is probably my second least favorite Mario RPG. It's still a good game, but it sure isn't the best. Many of the levels felt dull, a lot of the characters just weren't that interesting, and the game was overall a decent but not utterly spectacular game in the series.
I plan to replay it sometime this summer, so expect me to discuss my playthrough when it happens.
I don't mind your lack of fondness for the Galaxy games at all. I love the first one (and like the second one as well, but not as much due to issues already stated here many times), but I see parts in it that definitely can't please everyone. Also, I think most people agree that the Star Ball sections are a low point in the game, including me.
Finally, I absolutely agree with the Mario Kart series being overrated. They're fun games, but they sure shouldn't be taking the number one spot in lists of the best games on a console. Mario Kart 64 is probably the best example of how overrated the series is. I try to be mindful of how far we have come from the past, but when a game suffers notably from age I will bring it up as a negative if it's justified. Mario Kart 64 is not a bad game, but it is outclassed by other games in the series. Mario Kart: Super Circuit suffers from not only age but soapy controls that could have probably been avoided when the game was in development. Thankfully, unlike 64, it is actually brought up on its flaws more often.
Lastly, I just want to say that I don't think Mario Kart 7 is that great. A good number of the tracks, especially the new ones, are really dull. The roster is very flawed; say what you want about Mario Kart 8's roster, but 7's is in my mind the worst roster in the series. The graphics aren't bad, but they sure won't win any awards. I DO like the changes it brought to the gameplay itself, most of the retro track selection, and the online improvements, but overall its flaws should be taken into account. 7 is not the best installment in the series.
I plan to replay it sometime this summer, so expect me to discuss my playthrough when it happens.
I don't mind your lack of fondness for the Galaxy games at all. I love the first one (and like the second one as well, but not as much due to issues already stated here many times), but I see parts in it that definitely can't please everyone. Also, I think most people agree that the Star Ball sections are a low point in the game, including me.
Finally, I absolutely agree with the Mario Kart series being overrated. They're fun games, but they sure shouldn't be taking the number one spot in lists of the best games on a console. Mario Kart 64 is probably the best example of how overrated the series is. I try to be mindful of how far we have come from the past, but when a game suffers notably from age I will bring it up as a negative if it's justified. Mario Kart 64 is not a bad game, but it is outclassed by other games in the series. Mario Kart: Super Circuit suffers from not only age but soapy controls that could have probably been avoided when the game was in development. Thankfully, unlike 64, it is actually brought up on its flaws more often.
Lastly, I just want to say that I don't think Mario Kart 7 is that great. A good number of the tracks, especially the new ones, are really dull. The roster is very flawed; say what you want about Mario Kart 8's roster, but 7's is in my mind the worst roster in the series. The graphics aren't bad, but they sure won't win any awards. I DO like the changes it brought to the gameplay itself, most of the retro track selection, and the online improvements, but overall its flaws should be taken into account. 7 is not the best installment in the series.
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That 7 is one of the lamer Mario Karts for its time isn't an unpopular opinion from what I've seen though. The only thing going for it is all its new characters (that includes 
), a few good tracks, and the best battle mode in the series (which is let down by Lucky 7, but I'll let that slide).
Its roster isn't great, but I welcome all Mario Kart 7's new characters.
I do agree that Mario Kart is the most overrated Mario spinoff franchise though. Its contemporary racers tend to beat it out in N64 and GCN, but nobody talks about Diddy Kong Racing or Kirby Air Ride as much as Mario Kart.
), a few good tracks, and the best battle mode in the series (which is let down by Lucky 7, but I'll let that slide).Its roster isn't great, but I welcome all Mario Kart 7's new characters.
I do agree that Mario Kart is the most overrated Mario spinoff franchise though. Its contemporary racers tend to beat it out in N64 and GCN, but nobody talks about Diddy Kong Racing or Kirby Air Ride as much as Mario Kart.
Just so you can relate a bit, none of these Mario games within these genres have my favorite Mario-related games, lol.Pascal said:
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Mcmadness said:
the good gcn days
we got ddr: mario mix, mario golf, mario tennis, mario golf, mario strikers, and mario baseball
now we have to get ----ing lucky the next mario game won't be a platformer
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And Mario Party. It's like a renaissance of Mario spinoffs on console, lol.Mcmadness said:
That meant my sister and I spent more time on GCN games. Also, Smash Bros.
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I'd be fine with another Squaresoft Mario Sports Game tbh