Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[Tyrell Badd]

It makes no sense, and I really think Sakurai botched it pretty bad with the roster, in my opinion. Adding questionable (aka shitty) "newcomers" like Dark Pit and Dr. Mario

Dr. Mario ain't a newcomer bro.

Hence the quotations.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

I would sacrifice Dr. Mario, Dark Pit and Lucina if it meant we got another original moveset character, Snake, new Ganon moveset, Ridley, anyone. This is Sakurai going quantity over quality, which sucks.

I noticed that many Smash fans have called Melee > Brawl due to the gameplay, even though Brawl is considered to have the best character roster in the series, and Melee's roster was basically half clones.

It seems sakurai isn't about quality vs. quantity, but rather gameplay vs. roster. He worked heavily on the gameplay since many people complained about it in Brawl, and he spent a lot more time on the gameplay and balancing out the characters rather than the character additions themselves.

 

[Gumball Machine]

It makes no sense, and I really think Sakurai botched it pretty bad with the roster, in my opinion. Adding questionable (aka shitty) "newcomers" like Dark Pit and Dr. Mario

Dr. Mario ain't a newcomer bro.

Hence the quotations.

Oh, sorry.

Still, why exactly do people want Ridley? Other than Metroid being underrepresented and having another villain? Or Mewtwo's return?

 

[Lumastar]

It makes no sense, and I really think Sakurai botched it pretty bad with the roster, in my opinion. Adding questionable (aka shitty) "newcomers" like Dark Pit and Dr. Mario

Dr. Mario ain't a newcomer bro.

Hence the quotations.

Oh, sorry.

Still, why exactly do people want Ridley? Other than Metroid being underrepresented and having another villain? Or Mewtwo's return?

1. Ridley is a major character that would have fit right in despite what naysayers say.
2. Mewtwo was the only original character to be cut from Melee.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Oh, sorry.

Still, why exactly do people want Ridley? Other than Metroid being underrepresented and having another villain? Or Mewtwo's return?

I really don't stand the appeal. But it's sad that people are criticizing the roster now just because 2/3 characters that wanted did not get in, and that 3 clones out of the 48 characters (a 6% of the roster) did, even though characters like Robin, Shulk, Greninja, DHD, Villager, Rosalina, and Palutena got in, as well as the fact that this is the first game to ever have Mario, Sonic, Pac-Man, and Mega-man in it all together in one game.

This shows that Sakurai doesn't just do what the fans want. I kind of respect him for that, though I definitely feel for the people that didn't get the character they wanted.

 

[Lumastar]

Oh, sorry.

Still, why exactly do people want Ridley? Other than Metroid being underrepresented and having another villain? Or Mewtwo's return?

I really don't stand the appeal. But it's sad that people are criticizing the roster now just because 2/3 characters that wanted did not get in, and that 3 clones out of the 48 characters (a 6% of the roster) did, even though characters like Robin, Shulk, Greninja, DHD, Villager, Rosalina, and Palutena got in, as well as the fact that this is the first game to ever have Mario, Sonic, Pac-Man, and Mega-man in it all together in one game.

This shows that Sakurai doesn't just do what the fans want. I kind of respect him for that, though I definitely feel for the people that didn't get the character they wanted.

Like I said, I think that the roster's great. I like every character except for one (and I may end up liking him too if he plays well). It should just be said that there were some odd exclusions.

 

[supermariofan]

Wii U exclusive is still possible so Mewtwo and Ridley still have a chance

 

[Shyghoul]

Wii U exclusive is still possible so Mewtwo and Ridley still have a chance

you do realize that they're not doing system exclusive characters, right?

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

I am a bit saddened that Issac is not in this game. I am also really sad that Ice Climbers and Lucas are not in this game either, because they actually seemed like characters that would be really cool.

The only thing I want to criticize Sakurai on is the fact that there are 8 Mario characters, unless Dr. Mario is representing his series now.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

Besides, you were being quite a character whenever people disagreed with you about Ridley not being in Smash.

i'll say

i probably wouldn't be this happy if it wasn't just proving gp wrong

 

[Pokemon DP]

>kid icarus has three reps
>metroid still only has two

mr. sakurai, I know you love to masturbate, but it's generally courteous not to do so in public view

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Besides, you were being quite a character whenever people disagreed with you about Ridley not being in Smash.

i'll say

i probably wouldn't be this happy if it wasn't just proving gp wrong

Had Ridley been confirmed, I could tell you now that I would have probably gotten three PMs from people slamming me and being like "I fucking told you."

I'm not going to do the same, because even though I didn't want him in, I didn't personally make it my mission to make people feel bad if I ended up being correct. My only gripe with the Ridley stuff was people overanalyzing the crap out of it, because it's going to great lengths for no reason. If he's confirmed or deconfirmed, that's great, but all the overanalyzing really killed the hype for wanting him in for me.

 

[supermariofan]

There is a possibility of DLC so maybe Mewtwo, Ridley, Impa, Dixie, and Ice Climbers still have a chance

 

[Nysic]

Watch, next game will introduce Medusa as a newcomer.



I think Duck Hunt Dalmatian might be my next theme.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

There is a possibility of DLC so maybe Mewtwo, Ridley, Impa, Dixie, and Ice Climbers still have a chance

I even said like last week or so that I think that not all the characters will be available and that an update to the game will be made to include them so that it gives the Wii U a chance to have surprise characters. I even said "why has no one else thought of this?"

But if you guys want to hold on to that very very slim glitter of hope, then go ahead, but I rather wait for it to be a surprise than expecting that to be the case and getting my hopes crushed.

 

[supermariofan]

There is a possibility of DLC so maybe Mewtwo, Ridley, Impa, Dixie, and Ice Climbers still have a chance

I even said like last week or so that I think that not all the characters will be available and that an update to the game will be made to include them so that it gives the Wii U a chance to have surprise characters. I even said "why has no one else thought of this?"

But if you guys want to hold on to that very very slim glitter of hope, then go ahead, but I rather wait for it to be a surprise than expecting that to be the case and getting my hopes crushed.

Maybe I should take that advice

 

[GalacticPetey]

Let me address the elephant in the room. Yes, Ridley, my most wanted character is not in. It stings and I'll move on. I just want to know why. I want to know why Sakurai thinks Ridley is not good for Smash. There really is no reason not include him at this point. I also want to know why he was so vague with him. Maybe I over analyzed, but you have to admit that Sakurai was being oddly vague and secretive with Ridley. He was hinted to but never mentioned for over a year. I'd rather Sakirai just rip the band-aid off instead of slowly and painfully peeling it off.

And if anyone one comes in being an ass about Ridley, I will report you for trolling. There's no need to be a dick about something I actually cared about.

You know, just because your favorite is not in Smash doesn't mean you can threaten people that you'll report them for being content that this is the roster and that certain characters were not put in for the fans. I understand that you are upset, but unless they are obviously trolling, then you shouldn't abuse that. Besides, you were being quite a character whenever people disagreed with you about Ridley not being in Smash.

As to why Sakurai might have not put him in; perhaps he found Ridley better suited as a boss character. Maybe he found that due to the processing power of the 3DS, he had to limit the roster, and the three clones were added so that it gave the roster a bit more numbers. I don't know the reason, but we also have to remember that I have theorized before that there maybe an "update" so that a few extra characters are added when the Wii U version comes out so it gives a little bit of surprise. You can hold on to that if you want, but I'm not sure if that very slim possibly should be worth getting your hopes back up if more than likely it'll crush them again.

And Sakurai is a troll himself. He purposefully hinted at things to get people's attention. It was very successful, and I'm sure that had he deconfirmed Ridley right then and there, people would have been less caring of the other stuff in Smash. Plus, he heavily hinted at Ridley's role in Smash (being a boss for Pyrosphere), so it's not like there wasn't doubts that he wouldn't be playable. Maybe he did it the wrong way, but Sakurai is Sakurai, and his ability to do unexpected things is what makes him a great guy because you never know what you'll get with Smash until he reveals it (or someone leaks it), and it keeps you interested about the game.

All this being said, I am content with the roster that has been posted. I would rather do less with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, but it's a great roster. I don't want the lack of characters like Mewtwo or Ridley make people say that the roster "sucks", especially with the additions of many great characters like Little Mac, Robin, Greninja, Shulk, and Palutena. Just because I didn't want Ridley, Mewtwo, Ghirahim, or King K. Rool doesn't mean I'm going to be a jerk about it.

You say Sakurai is a troll. Sakurai also said he doesn't like building up false hype. There's a difference between playful teasing and what had happened. Every other character, Chrom, Skull Kid, Waluigi, Takamaru, he explicitly stated they were deconfirmed. They even corrected IGN when they originally posted that Chrom was playable. But Ridley? Not a peep.

I don't see how he's better suited as a boss. May as well remove Bowser and Ganondorf then. Sakurai has proven he can make pretty much any character work.

My issue isn't that Ridley is not in, it's the way Sakurai treated the whole thing. Had Ridley been shown as a hazard along with Pyrosphere back in August 2013, then I would have gotten over it.

 

[Guiliant]

Going to main Wendy, Duck Hunt, Ness, and Pac-Man all day every day forever

 

[Lumastar]

Let me address the elephant in the room. Yes, Ridley, my most wanted character is not in. It stings and I'll move on. I just want to know why. I want to know why Sakurai thinks Ridley is not good for Smash. There really is no reason not include him at this point. I also want to know why he was so vague with him. Maybe I over analyzed, but you have to admit that Sakurai was being oddly vague and secretive with Ridley. He was hinted to but never mentioned for over a year. I'd rather Sakirai just rip the band-aid off instead of slowly and painfully peeling it off.

And if anyone one comes in being an ass about Ridley, I will report you for trolling. There's no need to be a dick about something I actually cared about.

You know, just because your favorite is not in Smash doesn't mean you can threaten people that you'll report them for being content that this is the roster and that certain characters were not put in for the fans. I understand that you are upset, but unless they are obviously trolling, then you shouldn't abuse that. Besides, you were being quite a character whenever people disagreed with you about Ridley not being in Smash.

As to why Sakurai might have not put him in; perhaps he found Ridley better suited as a boss character. Maybe he found that due to the processing power of the 3DS, he had to limit the roster, and the three clones were added so that it gave the roster a bit more numbers. I don't know the reason, but we also have to remember that I have theorized before that there maybe an "update" so that a few extra characters are added when the Wii U version comes out so it gives a little bit of surprise. You can hold on to that if you want, but I'm not sure if that very slim possibly should be worth getting your hopes back up if more than likely it'll crush them again.

And Sakurai is a troll himself. He purposefully hinted at things to get people's attention. It was very successful, and I'm sure that had he deconfirmed Ridley right then and there, people would have been less caring of the other stuff in Smash. Plus, he heavily hinted at Ridley's role in Smash (being a boss for Pyrosphere), so it's not like there wasn't doubts that he wouldn't be playable. Maybe he did it the wrong way, but Sakurai is Sakurai, and his ability to do unexpected things is what makes him a great guy because you never know what you'll get with Smash until he reveals it (or someone leaks it), and it keeps you interested about the game.

All this being said, I am content with the roster that has been posted. I would rather do less with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, but it's a great roster. I don't want the lack of characters like Mewtwo or Ridley make people say that the roster "sucks", especially with the additions of many great characters like Little Mac, Robin, Greninja, Shulk, and Palutena. Just because I didn't want Ridley, Mewtwo, Ghirahim, or King K. Rool doesn't mean I'm going to be a jerk about it.

You say Sakurai is a troll. Sakurai also said he doesn't like building up false hype. There's a difference between playful teasing and what had happened. Every other character, Chrom, Skull Kid, Waluigi, Takamaru, he explicitly stated they were deconfirmed. They even corrected IGN when they originally posted that Chrom was playable. But Ridley? Not a peep.

I don't see how he's better suited as a boss. May as well remove Bowser and Ganondorf then. Sakurai has proven he can make pretty much any character work.

My issue isn't that Ridley is not in, it's the way Sakurai treated the whole thing. Had Ridley been shown as a hazard along with Pyrosphere back in August 2013, then I would have gotten over it.

This. Sakurai's teasing was pretty much pointless if Ridley is not either Wii U exclusive or DLC.

 

[Stargazing]

I didn't come here to see people getting pissed over Ridley vs not-Ridley. I came here to hype about the new characters!

No? Ok...
Go back to your argument...

 

[Weasel]

I have an unrelated question.

Every stage on the 3DS has 2 songs that play on it. What is the other song that plays on Wily's Castle besides the MM2 medley?

this is more important to me than who is or is not included in the roster

 

[Turboo]

^I heard Air Man's theme when gema was grinding matches for ROB, but idk if it was part of a boss melody or what. It sounded like the original, not a remix, though

 

[supermariofan]

I hope Beyond the Sky from Xenoblade is in, I loooooove that song!!!

 

[Weasel]

^I heard Air Man's theme when gema was grinding matches for ROB, but idk if it was part of a boss melody or what. It sounded like the original, not a remix, though

oh okay that's cool

I was hoping for that Spark Man remix we heard during the Direct but whatever.

 

[supermariofan]

I'm also hoping for these songs as well

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