Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[DaKid]

Coming from Sakurai's reoccurring Smash Bros. features in Famitsu...

How enemies were decided for Smash Run

– serves well as a general enemy
– light processing of movement on 3DS (comes down to the system’s hardware)
– it is possible to create uniqueness for that enemy
– maintaining balance between big or small, weak or strong enemies
– reduction of the relative workload that is required
– comes from a series that is possible to choose

- some humanoids/skeletons made the cut, even though they are hard to process
- large portion of enemies from Kid Icarus: Uprising
- this is because the team had original models that were specifically made for 3DS

Why certain characters don't have human-sounding voices

- Bowser, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong and Dedede have had human-sounding voices in cartoons
- Sakurai says animal sounds make more sense

Characters with dialog

- lines for attacks are generally shortened
- long lines of dialog would have been lost with all the audio in 4 player battles
Last but not least, we have a somewhat strange tidbit that comes from the section of

Why some older characters haven't returned

- it's hard to bring over data from Melee, due to the game being quite old
http://www.gonintendo.com/s/237943-sakurai-talks-enemies-in-smash-run-character-voices-returning-characters

I think this pretty much confirms what I thought. For the 3DS version character models were possibly ripped from Brawl except for newcomers. But I do think the 3DS version is running on a modified Brawl engine. The Wii U version must of been what he meant when he said characters were made from scratch. New engine and all.

I have no doubt in my mind that Sakurai ripped assets from games on the Wii U and 3DS maybe even Wii to make stages.

That doesn't make him lazy but actually smart, it helps keep the general aesthetic and art style of the series and game it came from. This actually gives me hope for a Nintendo Land Stage, new WW stage, DKCTF stage, 3DW stage, MK8 stage on Wii U.

 

[Lumastar]

Coming from Sakurai's reoccurring Smash Bros. features in Famitsu...

How enemies were decided for Smash Run

– serves well as a general enemy
– light processing of movement on 3DS (comes down to the system’s hardware)
– it is possible to create uniqueness for that enemy
– maintaining balance between big or small, weak or strong enemies
– reduction of the relative workload that is required
– comes from a series that is possible to choose

- some humanoids/skeletons made the cut, even though they are hard to process
- large portion of enemies from Kid Icarus: Uprising
- this is because the team had original models that were specifically made for 3DS

Why certain characters don't have human-sounding voices

- Bowser, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong and Dedede have had human-sounding voices in cartoons
- Sakurai says animal sounds make more sense

Characters with dialog

- lines for attacks are generally shortened
- long lines of dialog would have been lost with all the audio in 4 player battles
Last but not least, we have a somewhat strange tidbit that comes from the section of

Why some older characters haven't returned

- it's hard to bring over data from Melee, due to the game being quite old
http://www.gonintendo.com/s/237943-sakurai-talks-enemies-in-smash-run-character-voices-returning-characters

I think this pretty much confirms what I thought. For the 3DS version character models were possibly ripped from Brawl except for newcomers. But I do think the 3DS version is running on a modified Brawl engine. The Wii U version must of been what he meant when he said characters were made from scratch. New engine and all.

I have no doubt in my mind that Sakurai ripped assets from games on the Wii U and 3DS maybe even Wii to make stages.

That doesn't make him lazy but actually smart, it helps keep the general aesthetic and art style of the series and game it came from. This actually gives me hope for a Nintendo Land Stage, new WW stage, DKCTF stage, 3DW stage, MK8 stage on Wii U.

This is very interesting. This explains a lot about the 3DS version and gets me more excited for the Wii U version, too!

 

[DaKid]

Yeah. I definitely don't believe the 3DS version was built from the ground up at all really. The Wii U version definitely is.

 

[Lumastar]

Yeah. I definitely don't believe the 3DS version was built from the ground up at all really. The Wii U version definitely is.

At least the 3DS version's based off of a very good game.

 

[DaKid]

Yeah. I definitely don't believe the 3DS version was built from the ground up at all really. The Wii U version definitely is.

At least the 3DS version's based off of a very good game.

Yeah that's always good.

 

[Magikrazy]

I got the demo. Here were my results with level 9 cpu on Battlefield (not omega version)

Mario: 2-3 (lost to Mario, Villager, and Mega Man)
Link: 4-1 (lost to Mario)
Pikachu: 3-2 (lost to Mario and Mega Man)
Villager: 4-1 (lost to Mario)
Mega Man: 4-1 (lost to Pikachu, but only because he got the Bonus Flag)

Looks like I'll be maining Mega Man.

 

[freakworld]

After traning a bit I can safely say that I am not gonna play Megaman much (i suck with him more than usual). Pikachu and Link are pretty good, mario is meh and villager i played only twice so far or sth and i dont understand him yet.

 

[SonicMario]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3CT1o1OFk3o#t=70[/youtube]

All the taunts of the Starter Characters in english.

Basically confirms that at least some of Sonic's voice acting will indeed be reycled from other games cause "Sonic Speed!" is still in there. Mildly annoyed about that as I think I'll miss "You're too slow!". Though even recycled Roger Sonic sounds better then Jason did in Brawl overall.

I think WFT is subtly hilarious in a way. They say something so mundane yet it sounds like it would just be so hilarious to spam.

"Let's stretch our legs!"
"Let's stretch our legs!"
"Let's stretch our legs!"
"Let's stretch our legs!"

Kinda reminds me of "HEAD ON! Apply directly to the forehead!"

Also damn, who voiced Fox. Because they just didn't deliver their lines as well as whoever voiced him in Brawl c.c

 

[DaKid]

Fox voice sucks.... and man... did Sakurai uses any new voice clips for most characters? Lazy.

 

[Magikrazy]

For a second, I thought Pac-Man's taunts were all just one big taunt.

 

[GalacticPetey]

Fox voice sucks.... and man... did Sakurai uses any new voice clips for most characters? Lazy.

Kirby, Ness, Pit, and Fox all have new voices. Not sure about any others.

 

[DaKid]

Commercials for the 3DS version


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0G9...W4rfX98KlMkvRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Sa...W4rfX98KlMkvRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKEs...W4rfX98KlMkvRg

There's some good comedic genius in there. You know what I'm talking about when you see.

 

[Cirdec]

None of your videos work.

 

[Tyrell Badd]

Man, did they really take out "You're too slow!"?, because if so there is literally no reason for me to use Sonic anymore.

Still do not understand why Bowser and DK still have stupid animal-like voices. Couldn't they have recycled Bowser's voice from Galaxy or Kart 8 or some shit since that is exactly what they did for Bowser Jr. and Koopalings. I swear some of these decisions don't make sense. At least Dedede doesn't sound too animal-like...

If only they used their cartoon/anime voices like they did for Pokemon...

 

[SonicMario]

Man, did they really take out "You're too slow!"?, because if so there is literally no reason for me to use Sonic anymore.

There is one thing. Sonic's a much better fighter in Smash 4 :P

 

[Icemario]

None of your videos work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0G9-DwU2fI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4SalDG__nY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKEsviMNOLI

 

[Nysic]

My top 10 characters I'm interested in because I'm too lazy to find that link to the picture one:

1. Bowser Jr.
2. Dr. Mario
3. Duck Hunt Dog
4. R.O.B.
5. Robin
6. Rosalina & Luma
7. Ike
8. Donkey Kong
9. Bowser
10. Wii Fit Trainer

 

[supermariofan]

After traning a bit I can safely say that I am not gonna play Megaman much (i suck with him more than usual). Pikachu and Link are pretty good, mario is meh and villager i played only twice so far or sth and i dont understand him yet.

What Benedict Cumberbatch movie is that sig from?

 

[DaKid]

That new leak sounds too awesome.
http://i.imgur.com/73yoyiY.png

Stages:

Battlefield - Original Super Smash Bros stage)
Final Destination - Original Super Smash Bros stage
Mushroom Kingdom U - New Super Mario Bros. U stage
Mario Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy stage
Bowser's Castle - Super Mario stage
Jungle Hijinx - DK stage
Bramble Blast - DK stage
Skyloft - Zelda: Skyward Sword stage
Forest Haven - Zelda: Wind Waker stage
Yoshi's Story - Yoshi Story stage
Pyrosphere - Metriod: Other M stage
Tourian - Metriod stage
Nimbassa City - Pokemon stage
Kalos Pokemon League - Pokemon stage
Great Fox - Star Fox stage
Mute City - F-Zero stage
Coliseum - Fire Emblem stage
Town and City - Animal Crossing stage
Cookie Country - Kirby stage
Mt. Dedede - Kirby stage
Patch Land - Kirby: Epic Yarn stage
Paluetena's Temple - Kid Icarus stage
Underworld - Kid Icarus Stage
Game and Wario - Game and Wario stage
Rhythm Heaven
Garden of Hope - Pikmin
Boxing Ring - Little Mac
Magicant - Mother/Earthbound (same 3DS stage)
Wii Fit Studio - Wii Fit
Pilot Wings
Endless Ocean
Nintendo Land
NES Remix
Green House - Mr. Game & Watch stage
Gyromite - R.O.B
Shooting Gallery - ???
Gaur Plains - Xenoblade stage
Wily's Castle - Mega Man stage
Windy Hill - Sonic stage
Pac-Land - Pacman stage

Returning Stages:


Rainbow Cruise
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Rumble Falls
Temple
Bridge of Eldin
Pirate Ship
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Norfair
Pokemon Stadium 2
Lylat Cruise
Port Town Aero Dive
Castle Siege
Smashville
Halberd
Skyworld
WarioWare
Distant Planet
Onett
Flat Zone 2

 

[Lumastar]

That new leak sounds too awesome.
http://i.imgur.com/73yoyiY.png

Stages:

Battlefield - Original Super Smash Bros stage)
Final Destination - Original Super Smash Bros stage
Mushroom Kingdom U - New Super Mario Bros. U stage
Mario Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy stage
Bowser's Castle - Super Mario stage
Jungle Hijinx - DK stage
Bramble Blast - DK stage
Skyloft - Zelda: Skyward Sword stage
Forest Haven - Zelda: Wind Waker stage
Yoshi's Story - Yoshi Story stage
Pyrosphere - Metriod: Other M stage
Tourian - Metriod stage
Nimbassa City - Pokemon stage
Kalos Pokemon League - Pokemon stage
Great Fox - Star Fox stage
Mute City - F-Zero stage
Coliseum - Fire Emblem stage
Town and City - Animal Crossing stage
Cookie Country - Kirby stage
Mt. Dedede - Kirby stage
Patch Land - Kirby: Epic Yarn stage
Paluetena's Temple - Kid Icarus stage
Underworld - Kid Icarus Stage
Game and Wario - Game and Wario stage
Rhythm Heaven
Garden of Hope - Pikmin
Boxing Ring - Little Mac
Magicant - Mother/Earthbound (same 3DS stage)
Wii Fit Studio - Wii Fit
Pilot Wings
Endless Ocean
Nintendo Land
NES Remix
Green House - Mr. Game & Watch stage
Gyromite - R.O.B
Shooting Gallery - ???
Gaur Plains - Xenoblade stage
Wily's Castle - Mega Man stage
Windy Hill - Sonic stage
Pac-Land - Pacman stage

Returning Stages:


Rainbow Cruise
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Rumble Falls
Temple
Bridge of Eldin
Pirate Ship
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Norfair
Pokemon Stadium 2
Lylat Cruise
Port Town Aero Dive
Castle Siege
Smashville
Halberd
Skyworld
WarioWare
Distant Planet
Onett
Flat Zone 2

Where are any of these stages mentioned (aside from the four in the first post)? Or are these your ideas?

Also, Other M Ridley will never be in Smash unless Sakurai is insane. (No, he's not insane for including clones in Smash 4. They were included as extras. Please stop ranting about how they suppoedly took your most wanted's spot.)

 

[DaKid]

I wish Pac-Man Maze was a in the Wii U version

 

[Lumastar]

I wish Pac-Man Maze was a in the Wii U version

As awesome as it is, Pac-Maze wouldn't make much since in the Wii U version due to its Power Pellet gimmick.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Lol, that link also includes this video:

Which I'm not sure what it adds to the information, but it is rather entertaining.

 

[DaKid]

That new leak sounds too awesome.
http://i.imgur.com/73yoyiY.png

Stages:

Battlefield - Original Super Smash Bros stage)
Final Destination - Original Super Smash Bros stage
Mushroom Kingdom U - New Super Mario Bros. U stage
Mario Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy stage
Bowser's Castle - Super Mario stage
Jungle Hijinx - DK stage
Bramble Blast - DK stage
Skyloft - Zelda: Skyward Sword stage
Forest Haven - Zelda: Wind Waker stage
Yoshi's Story - Yoshi Story stage
Pyrosphere - Metriod: Other M stage
Tourian - Metriod stage
Nimbassa City - Pokemon stage
Kalos Pokemon League - Pokemon stage
Great Fox - Star Fox stage
Mute City - F-Zero stage
Coliseum - Fire Emblem stage
Town and City - Animal Crossing stage
Cookie Country - Kirby stage
Mt. Dedede - Kirby stage
Patch Land - Kirby: Epic Yarn stage
Paluetena's Temple - Kid Icarus stage
Underworld - Kid Icarus Stage
Game and Wario - Game and Wario stage
Rhythm Heaven
Garden of Hope - Pikmin
Boxing Ring - Little Mac
Magicant - Mother/Earthbound (same 3DS stage)
Wii Fit Studio - Wii Fit
Pilot Wings
Endless Ocean
Nintendo Land
NES Remix
Green House - Mr. Game & Watch stage
Gyromite - R.O.B
Shooting Gallery - ???
Gaur Plains - Xenoblade stage
Wily's Castle - Mega Man stage
Windy Hill - Sonic stage
Pac-Land - Pacman stage

Returning Stages:


Rainbow Cruise
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Rumble Falls
Temple
Bridge of Eldin
Pirate Ship
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Norfair
Pokemon Stadium 2
Lylat Cruise
Port Town Aero Dive
Castle Siege
Smashville
Halberd
Skyworld
WarioWare
Distant Planet
Onett
Flat Zone 2

Where are any of these stages mentioned (aside from the four in the first post)? Or are these your ideas?

Also, Other M Ridley will never be in Smash unless Sakurai is insane. (No, he's not insane for including clones in Smash 4. They were included as extras. Please stop ranting about how they suppoedly took your most wanted's spot.)

4chan. And what are you talking about the latter half of your post?

I wish Pac-Man Maze was a in the Wii U version

As awesome as it is, Pac-Maze wouldn't make much since in the Wii U version due to its Power Pellet gimmick.

??????

 

[Lumastar]

That new leak sounds too awesome.
http://i.imgur.com/73yoyiY.png

Stages:

Battlefield - Original Super Smash Bros stage)
Final Destination - Original Super Smash Bros stage
Mushroom Kingdom U - New Super Mario Bros. U stage
Mario Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy stage
Bowser's Castle - Super Mario stage
Jungle Hijinx - DK stage
Bramble Blast - DK stage
Skyloft - Zelda: Skyward Sword stage
Forest Haven - Zelda: Wind Waker stage
Yoshi's Story - Yoshi Story stage
Pyrosphere - Metriod: Other M stage
Tourian - Metriod stage
Nimbassa City - Pokemon stage
Kalos Pokemon League - Pokemon stage
Great Fox - Star Fox stage
Mute City - F-Zero stage
Coliseum - Fire Emblem stage
Town and City - Animal Crossing stage
Cookie Country - Kirby stage
Mt. Dedede - Kirby stage
Patch Land - Kirby: Epic Yarn stage
Paluetena's Temple - Kid Icarus stage
Underworld - Kid Icarus Stage
Game and Wario - Game and Wario stage
Rhythm Heaven
Garden of Hope - Pikmin
Boxing Ring - Little Mac
Magicant - Mother/Earthbound (same 3DS stage)
Wii Fit Studio - Wii Fit
Pilot Wings
Endless Ocean
Nintendo Land
NES Remix
Green House - Mr. Game & Watch stage
Gyromite - R.O.B
Shooting Gallery - ???
Gaur Plains - Xenoblade stage
Wily's Castle - Mega Man stage
Windy Hill - Sonic stage
Pac-Land - Pacman stage

Returning Stages:


Rainbow Cruise
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Rumble Falls
Temple
Bridge of Eldin
Pirate Ship
Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Norfair
Pokemon Stadium 2
Lylat Cruise
Port Town Aero Dive
Castle Siege
Smashville
Halberd
Skyworld
WarioWare
Distant Planet
Onett
Flat Zone 2

Where are any of these stages mentioned (aside from the four in the first post)? Or are these your ideas?

Also, Other M Ridley will never be in Smash unless Sakurai is insane. (No, he's not insane for including clones in Smash 4. They were included as extras. Please stop ranting about how they suppoedly took your most wanted's spot.)

4chan. And what are you talking about the latter half of your post?

In Other M, Ridley (or precisely his clone) is designed in such a way that he wouldn't make sense scaled down. Classic Ridley on the other hand is more flexible and can possibly be scaled down just enough to be playable.

I wish Pac-Man Maze was a in the Wii U version

As awesome as it is, Pac-Maze wouldn't make much since in the Wii U version due to its Power Pellet gimmick.

??????

The ghosts appear blue on your screen if you have the Power Pellet. This would be impossible to replicate in Smash without splitscreen (which would be a bad idea).