Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[yoshi123]

Things I want to say...

- Peach only took her crown off for one move, which was her Forward Air, in both games. Nice to see it back (though the positioning of her arms made me think it was her Neutral Air at first, the hand twirl lol), and hopefully it'll still keep its KO power.

- I like the visual enhancements made to her Up Smash (with the ribbon) and her Up Tilt. I'm glad they used Brawl's Up Tilt, that move had great range above Peach, and seems like the range is even bigger. While the sides of her Up Smash do hit (as shown from Villager and Link's reactions), I'm guessing the sides of her Up Smash is the weak part of the attack, while her hand/arm is the part that can reliably KO. =P

- Anyone else find it weird how Toad didn't shoot spores, yet Mario looks like he got attacked by him... Maybe the counter works a bit differently now? O__O

- Peach is attacking with her butt again? I guess some things never change. :P

- The image with Peach and Pikmin kind of interests me...

- Ok this is moreso about the stage than Peach herself, but Peach is in her "I'm about to fall off the edge" animation... Is she on top of a platform? What stage is this one again?

- I don't see her in her floating animation though, I'm hoping it returns because I find that's what makes Peach have a different playstyle compared to everyone else, and her float ability is a godsend. A bit odd how Turnips weren't revealed either. =P

 

[New Super Mario]

- The image with Peach and Pikmin kind of interests me...

OMG.

Her vegetable attack! Maybe it's like an easter egg or something.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

Do the they have to detail Peach's dress now.

This isn't the first time...

Well, why are Mario's dungarees simpler now?

I hope Toad is still playable, but part of me is saying that he won't be.

 

[Ray Trace]

Ha! I'm glad Yoshi isn't revealed yet. Less time to see him in his vile HD glory!

 

[Tyrell Badd]

I had a feeling there was going to be a reveal soon. I like how the recent news felt like a Ridley reveal was going to be shown since we just saw an image of the Pyrosphere yesterday, then we get Peach.

 

[Zae]

Do the they have to detail Peach's dress now.

This isn't the first time...

Well, why are Mario's dungarees simpler now?

I hope Toad is still playable, but part of me is saying that he won't be.

all i know is all my mario favs were already in the series some time back, so im good.

Although i dont really want anymore mario reps, that is something im kinda fearing atm.

 

[Ray Trace]

The only Mario rep I seriously have a hope of getting in is Toad. But for me, I'm happy if there's only one more and that's where I draw the line.

 

[MnSG]

Ha! I'm glad Yoshi isn't revealed yet. Less time to see him in his vile HD glory!

Careful now. Some of us actually want to know what Yoshi will be like in this game.

 

[Anser]

Do people actually still expect Toad to be playable? Look at Peach's pictures: he's already been confirmed to return as one of Peach's special moves.

 

[MnSG]

Do people actually still expect Toad to be playable? Look at Peach's pictures: he's already been confirmed to return as one of Peach's special moves.

Some people may bring up the point that Toad is also the name of the species.

 

[Anser]

Do people actually still expect Toad to be playable? Look at Peach's pictures: he's already been confirmed to return as one of Peach's special moves.

Some people may bring up the point that Toad is also the name of the species.

I don't think we'll have THE Toad being playable along with a generic Toad being used by another fighter, especially if they look exactly the same.

Another thing I don't understand is why people think that being part of the original 12 automatically saves them from being cut. Has Sakurai ever said that the original 12 are never going to be cut and I missed it? Remember Ness was going to be cut in Melee and he only got saved because Mother 3 was delayed, and that's why Lucas couldn't replace him.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Do people actually still expect Toad to be playable? Look at Peach's pictures: he's already been confirmed to return as one of Peach's special moves.

Some people may bring up the point that Toad is also the name of the species.

I don't think we'll have THE Toad being playable along with a generic Toad being used by another fighter, especially if they look exactly the same.

Another thing I don't understand is why people think that being part of the original 12 automatically saves them from being cut. Has Sakurai ever said that the original 12 are never going to be cut and I missed it? Remember Ness was going to be cut in Melee and he only got saved because Mother 3 was delayed, and that's why Lucas couldn't replace him.

That's like saying that the original 8 for Mario Kart 64 needing to be said that they are never going to be cut from a Mario Kart game.

It's just something expected, and there is no reason why to cut any of them since they are all great characters.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that when Sakurai said that he was "going to try to not cut that many characters", I'm pretty sure that can be translated to "Original 12 will be still in, and only cuts made would be for some characters introduced in Brawl".

 

[SonicMario]

In addition to what BMB said. Yes Ness was originally going to be cut in Melee... but he wasn't. And thus it was generally thought that they appeared twice. They're permanent entries. Granted when Lucas was revealed most though Ness was gone now. But once again... he wasn't.

It just seems like it'd be odd that someone that was in 3 games of the series could be cut. SSB64 may have not have made it 100% permanent. But Melee and Brawl sure cemented it.

 

[Smashley]

Nothing's 100%, but I think that the remaining four from SSB64 have a 99% chance of returning. Same for those from Melee, for that matter. Only one I'm slightly worried about is Sheik, but I'd still bet on her return.

 

[SonicMario]

Basically the more appearances, the higher chances of returning there are. Appearing Twice is like etching the character in Stone. The Brawl Newcomers are at least slightly more in danger then the SSB64 Veterans or the Melee Veterans that returned in Brawl. But Brawl Newcomers have higher chances then most characters that have not been playable yet.

 

[Smashley]

Yeah, though not all of the Brawlers are in danger. At least Wario, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Diddy, ZSS, Sonic, and probably R.O.B. should all make a second appearance in SSB4. I guess I could be wrong but I don't really see any of them getting the axe.

 

[Anser]

That's like saying that the original 8 for Mario Kart 64 needing to be said that they are never going to be cut from a Mario Kart game.

It's just something expected, and there is no reason why to cut any of them since they are all great characters.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that when Sakurai said that he was "going to try to not cut that many characters", I'm pretty sure that can be translated to "Original 12 will be still in, and only cuts made would be for some characters introduced in Brawl".

Then again, the original 8 aren't those of Mario Kart 64, but from Super Mario Kart, because it was the first in the series, and remember both Donkey Kong Jr. and Koopa Troopa got cut (Koopa got in again after some years, but he didn't appear in either Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart 7).

I think nothing is 100% sure this time around. From the original 12, I just hope Jigglypuff gets cut. She doesn't bother me, but she's just so... Random. I mean, there are way more iconic Pokémon than her to represent the series. She was included in Smash 64 only because she was a recurring character in the anime and it was done to promote it, just like Pichu got in Melee to promote the then-new Pokémon movie and Pokémon Gold & Silver. Mewtwo deserves that spot much more than her (I'd rather have Mewtwo and Lucario than Mewtwo and Jigglypuff).

And from Brawl, I think that right now it's pretty much confirmed that Toon Link is getting cut. Lucas is also likely to go (and I'll HATE that because he's my main) and I was sure about Lucario too, but now that he's getting a Mega Evolution, I'm not so sure anymore. People say Wolf is likely to go too, but I don't think so. He's a good character and a good fighter; I think he's going to stay.

Yes Ness was originally going to be cut in Melee... but he wasn't.

Only because Mother 3 got delayed. Had Mother 3 not been delayed, Ness would have disappeared a loooong time ago. He was saved because of the delay, not for being part of the original 12.

 

[Duskull]

Then again, the original 8 aren't those of Mario Kart 64, but from Super Mario Kart, because it was the first in the series, and remember both Donkey Kong Jr. and Koopa Troopa got cut (Koopa got in again after some years, but he didn't appear in either Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart 7).

And from Brawl, I think that right now it's pretty much confirmed that Toon Link is getting cut.

Just going to say, but Koopa was in MK7, my mate plays as him all the time.

And how is it pretty much confirmed that Toon Link is being cut? Whilst I think he may be, Wind Waker HD is discouraging me from this.

 

[Weasel]

Toon Link shows up in the background of the 3DS Spirit Tracks stage.

 

[Smashley]

Isn't the Spirit Tracks Link different from the Toon Link that was in Brawl, though?

 

[SonicMario]

Toon Link shows up in the background of the 3DS Spirit Tracks stage.

Some argue that Toon Link can still exist because it's Spirit Tracks Link or something like that. Though I admit out of all the Brawl characters, Toon Link seems the most likely.

But every character that was playable in Brawl has at the absolute lowest a 50% chance. Sakurai does not like cuts, for the exception of Pichu it seems he barely even wanted to cut the other 4 characters from Melee to Brawl (Though technically Young Link became Toon Link so maybe it's actually 3 that couldn't make it to Brawl?). And we should expect him to try to keep as many characters as he can. His priorities based on the most popular and most recurring characters first. And ultimately, if there is cuts. It will be because of Time constraints. And not much more.

 

[Nathan Fielder]

pichu wasn't cut he just evolved and they kicked out pikachu

 

[SonicMario]

pichu wasn't cut he just evolved and they kicked out pikachu

lol I love that theory even if that makes me feel bad for what would be ol' N64/Melee Pikachu. Though it would explain why in Brawl Pikachu can walljump, when Pichu could do that in Melee while Pikachu could not. And also Brawl Pikachu has those blue goggles that was a costume Pichu had in Melee.

 

[Anser]

Then again, the original 8 aren't those of Mario Kart 64, but from Super Mario Kart, because it was the first in the series, and remember both Donkey Kong Jr. and Koopa Troopa got cut (Koopa got in again after some years, but he didn't appear in either Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart 7).

And from Brawl, I think that right now it's pretty much confirmed that Toon Link is getting cut.

Just going to say, but Koopa was in MK7, my mate plays as him all the time.

And how is it pretty much confirmed that Toon Link is being cut? Whilst I think he may be, Wind Waker HD is discouraging me from this.

Asdfghjks I meant Mario Kart: Super Circuit, not Mario Kart 7. I got these all mixed up. Sorry, my bad.

 

[Meta Knight]

Would like to see Yoshi be confirmed sometime soon. Also, it seems likely that the Kirby characters return and a newcomer, as sakurai created Kirby