Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[Fawfulthegreat64]

Sakurai is just as weird with character choices as he is with stages. Dr. Mario pre-Melee was just as far-fetched as Paper Mario. In fact both are alternate Marios from spinoffs. If anything Paper Mario has more moveset potential, since Dr. Mario plays extremely similar to Mario while Paper has the hammer, partners, etc. he could use.

 

[Mcmadness]

Anything has moveset potential. Thats not what he decides on who gets into smash, Dr Mario was a quick clone job to pad out the roster.

 

[Smashley]

I don't think Paper Mario will ever be playable, and honestly I don't think he ever should be, but he's not an impossibility.

 

[Ray Trace]

Paper Mario may have a shot in like Smash 7 or something, when other more qualifying Mario characters are already in

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

Paper Mario may have a shot in like Smash 7 or something, when other more qualifying Mario characters are already in

We got 2 Mario newcomers in this one. If that happens again in the next one my bet's on Waluigi and Paper Mario.

 

[Ray Trace]

Paper Mario may have a shot in like Smash 7 or something, when other more qualifying Mario characters are already in

We got 2 Mario newcomers in this one. If that happens again in the next one my bet's on Waluigi and Paper Mario.

Or we may get a cut and no new newcomers like what happened in Brawl! Considering that most, if not all major Mario characters are already there, Mario doesn't necessarily need any more reps.

And considering how these "alternate" characters work out (eg Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario, Toon Link, Wolf), all with viable, completely different movesets from their source games ideally, I wouldn't be surprised had Paper Mario made it in, he'd be a clone of Mario.

 

[Mcmadness]

I'd be content with no more Mario characters. Other series are in more needing of additions.

 

[Ray Trace]

I agree with that.

Hell I think even Link needs more newcomers. Ehhh Hyrule Warriors influenced me a bit in that category.

 

[Mcmadness]

I want to play as Ganon.

Not Ganondorf, I mean the pig demon.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

I'd be content with no more Mario characters. Other series are in more needing of additions.

I just want the last playable guy in Super Mario 3D World to be in.

But honestly, Donkey and Link should've gotten new punching bags playable characters.

 

[Smashley]

Honestly is the only Mario character left that I wouldn't be opposed to, and even then it might be better to leave him out unless Doc goes again because eight is too much. Waluigi and Daisy have absolutely no importance outside of Kart/Party/Sports/Whatever so no to both and Paper Mario...I just don't find him to be an interesting choice, for some reason.

And as for Zelda I personally don't see a huge need for a new character, but that might just be because I'm not a gigantic fan of the series and never could think of a representative I would really like to see. Impa would probably be the best choice, I guess.

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

Toad is probably the last Mario character I'd want to see. The only way to give him a good moveset is to make him Captain Toad, and even then he wouldn't be able to jump. I'd say other than that, there isn't a Toad out there who has moveset potential but if I absolutely had to choose one, it would be Toadsworth since at least he's a notable member of the species with features to differentiate him from the rest.

And before someone says moveset potential doesn't matter, Toad wouldn't even make a good clone. Who would he be a clone of even?

At least Waluigi isn't portrayed as a helpless creature and is more of a blank slate as far as moveset is concerned. Smash could make a very interesting character out of him IMO. Maybe something with the tennis racket.

 

[Meta Knight]

I wouldn't be opposed to Blue toad.

Neutral B-Pulls out one of those Mushroom blocks from Mario 2 and can be thrown at someone
Side B- Make him do like a Super Run boost thing that functions like Bowser Jr or Fox's Side B
Up B-Pulls out a piranha plant that can grab on to a ledge as a tether recovery.
Down B-Pulls out a ? block and can block projectiles.
Final Smash-Summons Plessie to attack people

 

[Mcmadness]

Move set potential doesn't mean ANYTHING. Many characters in smash use moves that are completely made up. The biggest examples being R.O.B. Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, just to name a few.

They could come up with a toad moveset easy, though I'm not really all that interested in toad anyhow.

 

[Lumastar]

Toad is probably the last Mario character I'd want to see. The only way to give him a good moveset is to make him Captain Toad, and even then he wouldn't be able to jump. I'd say other than that, there isn't a Toad out there who has moveset potential but if I absolutely had to choose one, it would be Toadsworth since at least he's a notable member of the species with features to differentiate him from the rest.

This is bullshit. I'm sorry, but it is.

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

What, the fact that I don't see much potential in Toad or the fact that I prefer Toadsworth?

 

[Meta Knight]

I don't think the moveset I came up with was THAT bad...

 

[SonicMario]

*toad has no moveset potential argument*

Seriously, moveset potential is one of the worst if not the worst common argument against a character. You can give a moveset to a fucking rock if you're imaginative enough.

Sakurai and probably many others who helped him develop the fighters have pretty great imaginations if need be for characters. As characters like Captain Falcon or Fox hasn't even been shown fighting outside of vehicles before their inclusion in the very first game.

Smash Bros. is about including many of Nintendo's greatest stars (As well as legendary 3rd Parties that strive on Nintendo systems). And whether you like Toad or not, he has the merit to be considered an all-star by now. Now I'm not saying this to starchily defend Toad, as even if say in Smash 5 it goes exactly how you'd prefer (Waluigi and/or Paper Mario are newcomers while Toad stays out) I'd just shrug it off because hey even I really like both Waluigi and Paper Mario, more so then I do Toad in fact. That doesn't however get rid of the feeling I have that Toad probably should be just to really complete the classic Mario cast. I kinda feel the same way with Rosalina and a lesser extent Bowser Jr. but I suppose in the long run it doesn't matter right now. It is a fact though that there's not many solid arguments why Toad shouldn't be playable in Smash beyond personal dislike as many of the arguments against him you could bring many characters as a counter to. I really think the only thing that's really stood in any kind of Toad's way is the developers overlooking him. As otherwise he's just as old as Peach and Bowser, he's been a playable character in not just spin-offs but main platformers, while he's far from the most popular Mario character he's recognizable, and plenty more.

tl;dr version: While I like Waluigi and Paper Mario more myself, Toad deserves a spot more.

if I absolutely had to choose one, it would be Toadsworth since at least he's a notable member of the species with features to differentiate him from the rest.

One Word: Yoshi

 

[Magikrazy]

Also every pokemon

 

[Meta Knight]

So I got the Sm4sh soundtrack. Here's a complete tracklist.

Spoiler: RED

01. Menu
02. How to Play
03. Ground Theme / Underground Theme
04. Super Mario 3D Land Theme / Beach Theme
05. Try, Try Again
06. Kongo Jungle
07. Stickerbush Symphony
08. Gerudo Valley
09. Full Steam Ahead
10. Brinstar
11. Obstacle Course (Spring / Summer)
12. Green Greens Ver. 2
13. Corneria
14. Star Wolf's Theme / Sector Z
15. Battle! (Trainer Battle) (Pokemon X/Y)
16. N's Castle Medley
17. Mute City Ver. 3
18. ID (Purpose)
19. Wrath of the Reset Bomb
20. Dark Pit's Theme
21. Ashley's Song (JP)
22. Tortimer Island Medley
23. Kapp'n's Song
24. Jogging / Countdown
25. Gaur Plain
26. You Will Know Our Names
27. Balloon Fight Medley
28. Bath Time Theme (Vocal Mix)
29. Save the World, Heroes!
30. Tomodachi Life
31. PAC-MAN (Club Mix)
32. Tetris: Type A
33. Trophy Rush
34. Multi-Man Smash
35. Credits
36. Online Practice Stage

Spoiler: BLUE

01. Battlefield
02. Super Mario Bros. Medley
03. Athletic Theme / Ground Theme (New Super Mario Bros. 2)
04. Egg Planet
05. Circuit (Mario Kart 7)
06. Gear Getaway
07. Donkey Kong Country Returns (Vocals)
08. Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme
09. Main Theme / Underworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
10. Ocarina of Time Medley
11. Temple Theme
12. Title (Metroid)
13. Ending (Yoshi's Story)
14. The Great Cave Offensive
15. The Legendary Air Ride Machine
16. Theme from Area 6 / Missile Slipstream
17. Battle! (Team Flare)
18. Battle! (Champion) / Champion Cynthia
19. Route 10
20. Fight 1 (Fire Emblem Gaiden)
21. Destroyed Skyworld
22. Stage Select (Pikmin 2)
23. Xenoblade Chronicles Medley
24. Plaza / Title (Animal Crossing: City Folk / Animal Crossing: Wild World)
25. Tour (Animal Crossing: New Leaf)
26. Duck Hunt Medley
27. Light Plane (Vocal Mix)
28. The Mysterious Murasame Castle Medley
29. Mii Plaza
30. Mario Paint Medley
31. PAC-MAN'S PARK / BLOCK TOWN
32. PAC-MAN
33. Master Hand
34. Credits (Smash Bros.): Ver. 2
35. Menu 2 (Melee)
36. Results Display Screen

EDIT: I'm a little disappointed there's no Mother, Sonic, or Mega Man tracks. The 3rd parties really had the great remixes and tracks and it's a shame Pac-Man is the only 3rd party to be reperesented. Other than that it's not bad.

 

[Stargazing]

no Mother tracks

ergh I wanted to sing along to pollyanna

 

[Glitchy Bowser Jr.]

IIRC the one in smash didn't have the lyrics though.

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

WHAT? The full soundtrack isn't included?

 

[Lumastar]

The next Smash should have a Karaoke mode, with songs like "I wanna be the very best", "Polyanna", and the "DK Rap."

WHAT? The full soundtrack isn't included?

 

[Meta Knight]

WHAT? The full soundtrack isn't included?

I was thinking the same thing then I realized how expensive that would be to make and would take WAY more than 2 discs. Most CDs are only limited to like 70-90 minutes or so