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Baby Luigi said:
Thinking about nominating Captain Olimar to be featured? Any opposition?
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A lot of the sections are really short or one-liners; even if that's all the info that can be included, it still doesn't look good. I wouldn't support it just because the article really seems short. Also, there's a lack of images, a lack of info on how Olimar fights in the SSB games, and a bit of extraneous info in the Brawl section.
 
I guess you're right about the number of small roles Olimar plays in games he cameos in, but I'm pretty sure it's well-explained in Olimar's article about how he fights, actually. He needs Pikmin to use most of his aerials, grabs, and smash attacks, and the article explains that. Also, I think the images are pretty adequate, I don't think the sections need anymore: if I add any more, the images will start cluttering the article.

The main reason I have confidence is that Ganondorf is a featured article, and he's about...say, even less relevant to the Mario series than Olimar is, in all honesty. Unless you think Ganondorf deserves to be unfeatured as well, for those reasons.

But aside from that, I guess Olimar could be nominated for a hypothetical good article, not "best" article, if the wiki hypothetically has that instead.

BTW, I dunno if Macho Grubba should stay featured. It seems crufty and a little too short for my tastes.

As for Kolorado, I was a bit sleepy until I saw this particular line: "a frantic Kolorado makes a near fatal reach for it as lava rises behind him." Screams RED FLAG to me that there was no proofreading done.

another thing, i'm glad you're being active on this fa business, fa status being a goal is great way i get ---- done in this wiki
 
Baby Luigi said:
I guess you're right about the number of small roles Olimar plays in games he cameos in, but I'm pretty sure it's well-explained in Olimar's article about how he fights, actually. He needs Pikmin to use most of his aerials, grabs, and smash attacks, and the article explains that. Also, I think the images are pretty adequate, I don't think the sections need anymore: if I add any more, the images will start cluttering the article.
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The article mentions that he uses Pikmin for his special attacks, and that's it. At least tell me if he's a lightweight or a heavyweight or strong or weak or something. I know we're not covering things to SSBWiki's depth, but we're allowed to take a swim. Ganondorf does a good job of that. Speaking of...

Baby Luigi said:
The main reason I have confidence is that Ganondorf is a featured article, and he's about...say, even less relevant to the Mario series than Olimar is, in all honesty. Unless you think Ganondorf deserves to be unfeatured as well, for those reasons.
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My point wasn't relevance, and it should never be relevance when it comes to the quality of an article. Overall, some of the Subspace stuff is a bit flowery and there are a couple of grammar hiccups (Ganondord [...] is the only clone characters), but I'm a fan of the article simply because it covers a small amount of sections really well. It may be too short, but I want to deal with the articles that have serious writing issues before combing over the better stuff.

Baby Luigi said:
But aside from that, I guess Olimar could be nominated for a hypothetical good article, not "best" article, if the wiki hypothetically has that instead.
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From the top of the Featured Articles page: "The Featured Articles of the wiki are articles that represent the best the Super Mario Wiki has to offer." The point of the articles getting the pretty star in the corner is that they're an example of what other articles should strive to look like. Making a system that praises every "good, but not great" article would both flood it and promote articles that are good, but not great, rather than the best that they could possibly be.

Baby Luigi said:
BTW, I dunno if Macho Grubba should stay featured. It seems crufty and a little too short for my tastes.
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I do have issues with the article, like the seriously-short length, occasionally-flowery writing, awkward organization of sections, weird table of moves that isn't all that useful and would be much better as an actual paragraph, and lackluster intro, but... Actually, what am I saying, this really shouldn't be a featured article.

Baby Luigi said:
another thing, i'm glad you're being active on this fa business, fa status being a goal is great way i get ---- done in this wiki
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aw shucks
 
Ganondorf IS missing information though. He doesn't have his Wooly World appearance nor Super Mario Maker appearance yet. Those games are recently released, but eh, more one-liners? I don't count the amount of one-liners being featured, but I have to agree with what you said regardless. I'll look into another article I can feature nonetheless, but I still like what I had done to Olimar's article (I will take what you said about his lightweight and stuff into account, though, so thanks for that criticism).

*looks at 9-Volt next*

Hope no one is bothered for my bloodlust of featuring articles here. If things go smoothly, it'll be my third nomination in one month.
 
It's fine, and I'm still working on Mario as well.

Can anyone take some time at Mario? I know it's a behemoth of an article (almost up to Bowser levels; I bet once it's done, it'll be comparable to Bowser); don't mention the things that have yet to be covered or weird coverage issues (like the cartoons; I'm aware those sections are pretty disappointing) since I'm still going there...
 
Even after I attempted to unfeature Smithy previously, I'm still not impressed by the article nowadays. Any other thoughts? This article is also a fine example of why this wiki really REALLY needs a horizontal infobox layout.
 
What are people's thoughts on Super Mario RPG?

I'm not happy with the writing in the storyline section, too many just stop and start sentences, and I've got to question the relevance of some of them. Whilst I get the removal of all the additional stuff (weapons and stuff), with the article just having links to those rather than any information on it makes it feel incomplete (and personally, I still think the enemies part should be on the article). All the bosses are just the names so you best hope you know their name or the order they're fought in if you want to find them. The minigames has no description about them whatsoever.
 
Yeah I agree with the writing on the story section. It's written like "Mario is too weak. He needs to find a thing. He gets the thing from Croco. Croco eats Coco Puffs. He gets stronger. Mario then beats him." I've seen Belome get referred to as "The hungry dog monster" too, so that's indicative that it hasn't been proofread, or at least not updated to comply with newer writing standards.

The lists can be expanded on rather than be a column of blue links, though I think the locations section is fine the way it is.

By the way, on an off-note, I want to feature Mario Golf: World Tour. I haven't done any work on it, nor have I played the game, but still looks pretty impressive and FA quality. The only section that needs sprucing up is the reception section when, sigh, all people did to create it was list scores without any context whatsoever.
 
Mario Golf World Tour looks great! I think the article organization is a bit weird, though, with controls being nesting somewhere in the middle of the article, and tournaments isn't a subsection underneath Gameplay even though Mario Golf and Castle Club are. Gameplay should be a general section with controls being the level 3 subsection. Right after this, we move the "playable characters" section just underneath it. Then, we detail items, courses, and gear in that order since they're very important aspects of the game; gear is the least important, but it fits best there.

Following the playable characters section, we can have a level 2 header entitled "Game modes" and level 3 Mario Golf, Castle Club, Vs, and Tournaments sections tucked underneath that one. Mario Golf should be before Castle Club because it's the highlight, although Castle Club is important. Finally, the tournaments are online-based, so they should be renamed to "online tournaments" and be last because they're the least important feature of the game (being online and all).

To illustrate, below is what my view of how the page should be organized is.
1 Gameplay
1.1 Controls
2 Characters
2.1 Playable
2.1.1 Default
2.1.2 Star-Character unlocking criteria
2.1.3 Customizable
2.1.4 Unlockable
2.1.5 Unlocking criteria
2.1.6 Downloadable
2.1.7 Purchasing criteria
3 Items
4 Courses
5 Customizable gear
6 Game modes
6.1 Mario Golf
6.1.1 Single Player
6.1.1.1 Stroke Play
6.1.1.2 Match Play
6.1.1.3 Speed Golf
6.1.1.4 Point Tourney
6.1.1.5 Challenges
6.2 Castle Club
6.3 Vs.
6.4 Online tournaments
6.4.1 Regional Tournaments
6.4.2 World Tournaments
6.4.3 Mario Open
7 Downloadable content
8 Demo
9 References to other games
10 Critical reception
11 Pre-release and unused content
12 Regional differences
13 Staff
14 Trophy description from Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS is this really needed?
15 Gallery
16 Quotes
16.1 Announcer
17 References
18 External links
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Compare it to the current one we have.

1 Gameplay
1.1 Castle Club
1.2 Mario Golf
1.2.1 Single Player
1.2.1.1 Stroke Play
1.2.1.2 Match Play
1.2.1.3 Speed Golf
1.2.1.4 Point Tourney
1.2.1.5 Challenges
1.3 Vs.
2 Tournaments
2.1 Regional Tournaments
2.2 World Tournaments
2.3 Mario Open
3 Controls
3.1 Menu
3.2 Golf
3.3 Castle Club
4 Characters
4.1 Playable
4.1.1 Default
4.1.2 Star-Character unlocking criteria
4.1.3 Customizable
4.1.4 Unlockable
4.1.5 Unlocking criteria
4.1.6 Downloadable
4.1.7 Purchasing criteria
4.2 Non-playable
5 Items
6 Customizable gear
7 Courses
8 Downloadable content
9 Demo
10 References to other games
11 Critical reception
12 Pre-release and unused content
13 Regional differences
14 Trophy description from Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS
15 Gallery
16 Quotes
16.1 Announcer
17 Staff
18 References
19 External links
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Let me know which organization you prefer and I'll either leave it as it is or I'll tweak my proposed changes.
 
Shouldn't staff be above Critical Reception?
 
I'd support an unfeatured SMRPG massively. As for World Tour, the writing's solid overall, but I'm not a fan of the simplistic list for the NPC's, the non-MGWT artwork used in the character section looks off, and there's no development section.
 
and there's no development section.
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I'll do a check to be sure but I don't think the information's there. At least not in ENglish.
 
Time Turner said:
I'd support an unfeatured SMRPG massively. As for World Tour, the writing's solid overall, but I'm not a fan of the simplistic list for the NPC's, the non-MGWT artwork used in the character section looks off, and there's no development section.
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Can't help with the NPCs list since I don't own the game, but I think the non-MGWT is the "official" artwork used for the game if I'm not mistaken
 
"Staff" should be after "Pre-release and unused content" and "Regional differences" (keep all the development-type stuff together), other than that, looks fine.
 
Baby Luigi said:
Shouldn't staff be above Critical Reception?
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I suppose so

Time Turner said:
I'd support an unfeatured SMRPG massively. As for World Tour, the writing's solid overall, but I'm not a fan of the simplistic list for the NPC's, the non-MGWT artwork used in the character section looks off, and there's no development section.
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I feel a development section isn't pivotal in getting an article featured. I think they're much more important in articles of Sunshine, WarioWare Inc. Mega Microgaems, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Bros., and others. That Glowsquid said that there may not even be information on it en anglais means that we shouldn't be pushing too hard for it.

Looking over it, I am not sure why we have placeholder art, but it's clear we have some new art and it unfortunately doesn't cover all of them. What can work is that we use cropped images from the character select screen. Unfortunately, it's incomplete, lacking at least Paratroopa and Magikoopa.

Walkazo said:
"Staff" should be after "Pre-release and unused content" and "Regional differences" (keep all the development-type stuff together), other than that, looks fine.
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So, in other words, it's better?
 
Dr. Mario said:
Walkazo said:
"Staff" should be after "Pre-release and unused content" and "Regional differences" (keep all the development-type stuff together), other than that, looks fine.
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So, in other words, it's better?
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Yeah.

Also, I just noticed the "is this really needed?" part, and I feel the SSB trophy info could be put as a subheader of a "references in later games" section, should one ever arise, but in the meantime, there's not really anywhere convenient to put it...
 
Duskull said:
What are people's thoughts on Super Mario RPG?

I'm not happy with the writing in the storyline section, too many just stop and start sentences, and I've got to question the relevance of some of them. Whilst I get the removal of all the additional stuff (weapons and stuff), with the article just having links to those rather than any information on it makes it feel incomplete (and personally, I still think the enemies part should be on the article). All the bosses are just the names so you best hope you know their name or the order they're fought in if you want to find them. The minigames has no description about them whatsoever.
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This sounds like a snarky sarcastic question, but I'm really being curious and honest: are there items? Update: oh wait, they're all clustered underneath this little thing which kind of reminds me of Smash 4's shitty menu interface.

"Additional information: For listings of Shops, Weapons, Armor, Accessories, General Items, Special Items, Special Moves, Level Up Progressions and Bestiary, see the respective pages. "

Might as well be (sarcastic mode) "Games & More: For listings of everything but the kitchen sink, see the respective pages. "

I really don't like how fundamental game mechanics are all clustered in this little section (and wouldn't it violate Empty Section policy anyway?), especially when a lot of other game pages have pressure to include these lists in the first place, like in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.

Walkazo said:
Dr. Mario said:
Walkazo said:
"Staff" should be after "Pre-release and unused content" and "Regional differences" (keep all the development-type stuff together), other than that, looks fine.
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So, in other words, it's better?
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Yeah.

Also, I just noticed the "is this really needed?" part, and I feel the SSB trophy info could be put as a subheader of a "references in later games" section, should one ever arise, but in the meantime, there's not really anywhere convenient to put it...
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Yeah, I added it later, after inputting your suggestions. I didn't really feel like requoting it and making another lengthy post. I'm obliged to remove that as its own section (as you suggested) since no other games do this, and I think it borders on coverage creep since it really has nowhere else to go.
 
Ah, makes sense: having one updated list is also easier to deal with than separate posts with different iterations of the list, too. I was just worried I was being really unobservant the first time I looked at it, lol.
 
Dr. Mario said:
especially when a lot of other game pages have pressure to include these lists in the first place, like in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
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huh, wass wrong with Partners in Time's article?
 
Baby Luigi said:
Dr. Mario said:
especially when a lot of other game pages have pressure to include these lists in the first place, like in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
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huh, wass wrong with Partners in Time's article?
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I wasn't criticizing it, I was trying to point out that the Mario & Luigi games were unfeatured due to a lack of overall basic content like item lists; therefore, in order for them to be featured again, they have this pressure to include more detailed lists or else they'll just be cited again and will be a barrier from getting them featured. Partners in Time, a featured article, does have this list, which is a result of the pressure to include it.
 
Dr. Mario said:
Duskull said:
What are people's thoughts on Super Mario RPG?

I'm not happy with the writing in the storyline section, too many just stop and start sentences, and I've got to question the relevance of some of them. Whilst I get the removal of all the additional stuff (weapons and stuff), with the article just having links to those rather than any information on it makes it feel incomplete (and personally, I still think the enemies part should be on the article). All the bosses are just the names so you best hope you know their name or the order they're fought in if you want to find them. The minigames has no description about them whatsoever.
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This sounds like a snarky sarcastic question, but I'm really being curious and honest: are there items? Update: oh wait, they're all clustered underneath this little thing which kind of reminds me of Smash 4's shitty menu interface.

"Additional information: For listings of Shops, Weapons, Armor, Accessories, General Items, Special Items, Special Moves, Level Up Progressions and Bestiary, see the respective pages. "

Might as well be (sarcastic mode) "Games & More: For listings of everything but the kitchen sink, see the respective pages. "

I really don't like how fundamental game mechanics are all clustered in this little section (and wouldn't it violate Empty Section policy anyway?), especially when a lot of other game pages have pressure to include these lists in the first place, like in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
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Not trying to be snarky to you people definitely, I just thought I'd ask people's thoughts on it as well as posting my issues with the article. And yeah, I'd say it violates Empty Section policy.
 
Oh, I wasn't giving an attitude to anyone. I was just genuinely curious about the article structure and why it curiously doesn't contain an appropriate items section as with other articles, but I just noticed in the middle of my post the tiny thing. It's just my own thoughts.
 
By the way, Time Turner, your unfa for Kolorado isn't going anywhere. MarioWiki: Courtesy says that you shouldn't encourage anyone to vote, but the unfa is clearly going nowhere, so I don't think you really have a choice.
 
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