What the flying freak is found in our food?

I know vegetarians/vegans who claim insects and seafood don't count as meat
it pisses me off when they act all high and mighty about it (especially since its completely wrong)

for example, this conversation

"I am a vegetarian, I'm better than you because I don't eat dead pigs!"

"yah...... but while I'm here eating chicken, your eating fish, and I don't even eat pigs, I don't like the taste"

"fish aren't animals, its only meat if it comes from animals"

fish and arthropods are animals, and so are shellfish
I make an effort to buy free range "cruelty free" meat, but my vegetarian cousin (the same one who eats fish) still wont shut up about how shes better than me because I eat meat
 
Oh well. You should cook bacon in front of her face and tempt her with it. Meat is an underrated food: the right type of meat is an excellent source of omega-3, iron, and protein, and one would have to eat twice as much plant material to achieve what meat can do. We are omnivores anyway: we're built to eat both vegetables and meat. The problem, as usual, is portion distortion: a typical serving size of meat should be about the same as a deck of cards yet we at America supersize everything so we eat more.

BTW, tell your cousin if the organism is a consumer and multi-cellular, it's an animal. Yes, that means sea cucumbers aren't vegetarian food.
 
i don't have a complete understanding of it, but fish, and to a much greater extent, arthropods, have extremely limited nervous system and could never understand pain on the same levels a mammal could
 
I highly doubt that for fish
but with arthropods, I believe their nervous systems don't register pain the same way they do in a "higher animal"
the same goes for shellfish

but that is still a matter of scientific debate, cephalopods have been proven to experience pain in a similar way to a bird/mammal/reptile, so I could imagine a fish, and perhaps even an arthropod could too

and I've tried telling her, shes 7 and doesn't care what anyone tells her
 
Doctor Walter Bishop said:
i don't have a complete understanding of it, but fish, and to a much greater extent, arthropods, have extremely limited nervous system and could never understand pain on the same levels a mammal could
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can you prove that
 
Thrawn said:
Baby Luigi said:
BTW, tell your cousin if the organism is a consumer and multi-cellular, it's an animal.
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...venus flytraps are animals now?
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they are still only partially consumers
they still undergo photosynthesis
the insects they catch are to replace nutrients that otherwise would be found in the soil (since they grow in bogs)


Shoutmon said:
Doctor Walter Bishop said:
i don't have a complete understanding of it, but fish, and to a much greater extent, arthropods, have extremely limited nervous system and could never understand pain on the same levels a mammal could
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can you prove that
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considering some fish are smarter than some mammals, I'm fairly positive fish would feel pain in the same way
theres also the fact that all vertebrates are descended from fish, meaning its likely we share a similar nervous system
 
> missing the joke

any first grader could tell you that a venus flytrap is a plant, not an animal

i was just pointing out that BLOF's comment was flawed
 
Thrawn said:
> missing the joke

any first grader could tell you that a venus flytrap is a plant, not an animal

i was just pointing out that BLOF's comment was flawed
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I understood what you meant
I was just pointing out that no plant is a true consumer
although come to think of it, many fungi and bacteria are, so yes BLOF wasn't entirely correct
 
I know it's flawed. That's not my point, entirely. I'm not good with definitions and I knew that my description lacked something.
 
Baby Luigi said:
I know it's flawed. That's not my point, entirely. I'm not good with definitions and I knew that my description lacked something.
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it's not a total loss. i got a good laugh out of it
 
It's funny.

I can tell if someone's vegan at my school if they're really thin.
 
Baby Luigi said:
I know it's flawed. That's not my point, entirely. I'm not good with definitions and I knew that my description lacked something.
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you were very close
but they also need cellular respiration to be an animal
 
Giga12 said:
It's funny.

I can tell if someone's vegan at my school if they're really thin.
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Well, don't pigeonhole people.
 
I'm super thin and I LOVE eating fast-food. And I don't mean salads. I mean, something like large fries and 12 pc Chicken Mcnuggets.
 
I'm not thin, I'm not overweight, but I'm not thin

I prefer wendy chicken strips over mcnuggets, less silly putty and less corn
when I do get mcd chicken I get a chicken wrap
 
Michell said:
I prefer wendy chicken strips over mcnuggets, less silly putty and less corn
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I think less corn is always a good thing because nearly everything in our food has that stuff. :P
 
I'm 5'2 or 5'3 and I weigh a little less over 100 pounds on normal days, so, according to the BMI, I'm veering on the underweight category. Still, I'm a twin, and twins are normally smaller people. I'm glad I'm thin; my mom had been anorexic and I'm living in a nation of obese people. I like my body very much.

I love fast food in general. I don't care what gets put in there or what it's made of. Pink slime, blah blah blah. It still tastes good and it's ok every once in a while, right?
 
Baby Luigi said:
It still tastes good and it's ok every once in a while, right?
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yep, some people eat fast food everyday, which isn't advisable
but a one or two times a week should be fine
 
I eat less than once a week. It's a treat. Most times is delicious, honest to goodness home-cooked food. I understand if people had no choice but to eat fast food every day, though.

btw, I think sit-down restaurants are worse than fast food restaurants
 
Michell said:
I make an effort to buy free range "cruelty free" meat, but my vegetarian cousin (the same one who eats fish) still wont shut up about how shes better than me because I eat meat
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The problem with "free range" and "cruelty-free" labeling is that food manufacturers can be really tricky about it. Since those terms aren't regulated, it can mean from free-roaming freedom or a small pen outside. Also, "cage-free" labeling is just misleading because conventional chicken is raised usually in a huge pen inside a building, not in cages. It's just as crowded as well.

I don't appreciate "holier-than-thou" attitude either. Just tell her about some of that crap I mentioned (like castoreum extract) and maybe she may find it harder and harder to stay true to a vegetarian.
 
Pasture-raised is a better term than free-range.

Also, hormone-free labeling on chickens isn't meaningful since it's already illegal.
 
shes 7 and I don't really feel like traumatizing her yet
I was mad about the fish aren't animals thing :P
and with chickens they don't really need to be pasture raised to be in a humane environment
chickens don't need a huge amount of space to be happy, but they do need some, which most don't get any

in the Annapolis valley (its fairly near HRM where I live) they have a festival every winter about protecting the native birds of prey, and it centers around attracting eagles/ravens by feeding them the dead chickens that get suffocated by living under layers of other chickens

Baby Luigi said:
I eat less than once a week. It's a treat. Most times is delicious, honest to goodness home-cooked food. I understand if people had no choice but to eat fast food every day, though.

btw, I think sit-down restaurants are worse than fast food restaurants
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in terms of health you mean? I highly doubt thats the case with majority

and yah, I can understand how some people have to alternative to daily fast food, but it still isn't advisable
when I get fast food its normally when I'm out shopping or on the road traveling
 
Nope, that's true that sit-down restaurants are worse for you than fast food.

If you seen calorie/fat/sodium/sugar amounts in sit-down restaurants, the numbers are usually astronomically larger than fast-food chains. It's not even illegal for sit-down restaurants to not publish nutrition info, which is mainly bullcrap (fast food chains are required to post nutritional info btw)
 
I'd get mad about the "fish aren't animals" argument, but I don't expect children to have the same mindset and logic as adults do, so it's unfair for the children.

Michell said:
in the Annapolis valley (its fairly near HRM where I live) they have a festival every winter about protecting the native birds of prey, and it centers around attracting eagles/ravens by feeding them the dead chickens that get suffocated by living under layers of other chickens
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The chickens lived pretty miserable lives. I love birds of prey, though, so I don't know if I should be gleeful or horrified (maybe both).

It's mainly the chain sit-down restaurants that needs the blame. Besides, if you want, say, real Chinese food, go to a restaurant with Chinese characters outside. Usually, the small restaurants are better anyway.
 
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