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Do we have articles on any other tilesets like the Mushrooms in athetlic levels? No? Then there's no reason for this article to exist. I would keep those if they had an actual gameplay mechanic, but nope, they're about as important as that rock tiles used in underground levels.
 
LudwigVon said:
Striker Mario said:
-Paper Toad (species)
-Paper Princess Peach

According to the proposal, we'll have to make separate pages for the paper enemies, but the scope must be limited to Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam.
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Yes, I knew it must be limited to Mario & Luigi : Paper Jam. I'll try to find time to work on it this week. Thanks for your help. :)
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Well, someone take it in charge...
 
Shaggy said:
Bridge

I'm pretty sure it doesn't follow any of the criteria in MW:GENERIC. I don't want to make a proposal, because that's a huge stretch.
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Baby Luigi said:
Do we have articles on any other tilesets like the Mushrooms in athetlic levels? No? Then there's no reason for this article to exist. I would keep those if they had an actual gameplay mechanic, but nope, they're about as important as that rock tiles used in underground levels.
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We also have Mushroom Platform, Semi-Solid Platform and even Arrow Sign. Should we really have article for this thing if we delete Bridge?
 
I could make a case for Mushroom Platform as they are pretty dynamic things, especially in Mario Kart Wii

I think Arrow Signs are interactable objects in some games, could be mistaken

and I don't know why Semi-Sold Platform even exists
 
The name on semi-solid platforms is shaky since it also implies the platforms you can jump/duck through, which already should be covered in our generic platform article. Unlike lifts and other types of platforms, these are aesthetic variants of normal platforms, so we should just merge it to the existing platform article. Mushroom Platform should stay since they are interactable and nongeneric objects and they also come in several variants. These, however, aren't listed in the article itself, so the article needs an expansion rather than a deletion. That's not to say that we should merge the Mushroom Platform variants, but they should be listed all under the Mushroom Platform article. Heck, we can even create a species template for the Mushroom Platform and then create some derived species, since Mushrooms are indeed species. There are also unnamed variants of the Mushroom Platform such as the swaying Mushrooms (World 3-2 (New Super Mario Bros.)), purple tilting Mushrooms (World 4-2 (New Super Mario Bros.)), blue expanding/shrinking Mushrooms (World 5-A (New Super Mario Bros.)), screw-controlled Mushrooms and many more. As for Arrow Signs, there isn't much going for them, but you can interact with them (even jump on them to get a Star Coin, I believe), but I won't miss the article either. Like door and bridge, the sign doesn't do much outside of being just... there.
 
Striker Mario said:
Heck, we can even create a species template for the Mushroom Platform and then create some derived species, since Mushrooms are indeed species.
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This is really the only thing I don't entirely agree with. Mushrooms may be a species, but it just feels ridiculous and dumb to refer to a platform in a cartoon video game as a species.
 
Toa 95 said:
Mushrooms may be a species, but it just feels ridiculous and dumb to refer to a platform in a cartoon video game as a species.
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listen to this man.
 
Hey, just throwing that idea around and trying to be really technical about things. I'm not exactly sure what's so dumb about an organic named platform being a species though. Just wondering, but would it be so different if we had had a named species of tree and its branches were platforms? Maybe I'm overthinking, lol.

Case in point, the beanstalk from Yoshi's Island DS (though I don't know if that's actually its name or not). Could be counted as both a platform and a species. Doesn't sound crazy to me.
 
But what are the explanations that "it's silly and insane"? What is the wiki's usage for the term? Because it already uses "species" to describe Mushrooms and the Bouncy Mushroom, a Mushroom Platform, is indeed categorized under "Mushrooms". I might be daft and ridiculous, so just provide me a more thorough explanation.
 
Really, it's just seems ridiculous to refer to what is, as I said before, a platform with a particular design in a cartoon video game, as a species. In the end, it's nothing more than a platform. In some levels there are certain mushroom-designed platforms that have a particular gimmick to them, but that just makes them platforms with a particular gimmick.
 
Striker Mario said:
But what are the explanations that "it's silly and insane"? What is the wiki's usage for the term? Because it already uses "species" to describe Mushrooms and the Bouncy Mushroom, a Mushroom Platform, is indeed categorized under "Mushrooms". I might be daft and ridiculous, so just provide me a more thorough explanation.
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The wiki pretty much exclusively uses the term to reference sentient beings, as shown by List of species (the only exception seems to be Mushroom, which doesn't make sense considering the wide variety of other items). If you want to include Mushrooms and Mushroom platforms on that list, suddenly you'd be opening the gates for every plant and just about everything with eyes to jump on board as well. From an organizational standpoint, what value is there to group all of those objects together. I also worry that we'd end up arguing a lot about semantics between what does and doesn't constitute a species. Beyond that, a platform that happens to look like a mushroom isn't necessarily some sort of species, which ties into the semantics stuff I mentioned. Bottom line, I just don't think it's worth our time to open the floodgates.

Are objects like Baddie Box and Warp Box mentioned in-game or in the manual? For now, I'm citing the Prima guide, but it seems odd that they wouldn't be named elsewhere.
 
But I brought up this discussion with the late Walkazo at one point. It's worth looking at her stance on this too, on expanding "species". She seemed supportive too. I think there is a good point to be made so the species list isn't as redundant with enemies, but otherwise, not much further comment.
 
Striker Mario said:
But I brought up this discussion with the late Walkazo at one point. It's worth looking at her stance on this too, on expanding "species". She seemed supportive too. I think there is a good point to be made so the species list isn't as redundant with enemies, but otherwise, not much further comment.
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btw you used the url tags instead of the wiki tags; will formulate my thoughts once i've read the conversation
 
This is when you edit the wiki too much, it starts screwing around with your brain.
 
After reading through it, I'll say this: I guess my biggest problem is that the wiki already uses a bastardized version of the term in the first place. Statues (Gray Bowser Statue), cannons (Bill Blaster), robots (R.O.B.), and a lot of other things are currently being classified as species even though most people probably wouldn't call them species in any other circumstance. There were steps taken to reorganizing our usage of the term with the subspecies proposal, but it still results in a robotic BigMeow being a related species to a robotic MeowMaid. This weird classification has always slightly bugged me, but not enough to bring it up in a meaningful capacity (until now I guess). Maybe I'm completely misinterpreting the term myself, but I don't think there's a simple solution here. In the long run, it may actually be best to redefine the term on the wiki, but as it stands, attempting to include those items and others on the grounds of being species would be complicated with the tons of non-species in the list as well.
 
this might not be the right place to ask this but is there a way to specifically find files without a license template similar to how Category:Files_with_broken_Aboutfile_template (this category) includes files without a proper aboutfile? It kind of seems like a dead end when there are unlicensced images in Maintenance but no way to pinpoint them.
 
Walkazo said:
Striker Mario said:
I also think of the Luigi thing in Galaxy, but my previous point is that they don't really explore it and the game kind of jokes about it rather than take it more seriously in Paper Jam, but you know, this Luigi can get his own page if people really want it because he is treated as a separate interactable NPC who gives you free Power Stars even if you're Luigi, too.
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Oh right, forgot to include him in my massive post because he doesn't have a page, but I think he should have one - for consistency, and because people might be curious and look for info about the second Luigi: they should be able to come to us, rather than a GameFAQ board or YouTube video. But that'll need to be a third proposal from the current film and pending Paper discussions.


EDIT: Proposal's now up (MarioWiki:Proposals#Deal_with_the_duplicate_Paper_subjects_in_Mario_.26_Luigi:_Paper_Jam), so future discussion should probably be done there instead.
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So, it has been a long time, I thought to start making a draft to create the page (or if someone want to do it), but are we going to create a page for the second Luigi from Super Mario Galaxy? Walkazo supported the creation of a page.
 
It's kind of... contentious? I don't wholly support creating a page on this Luigi. I don't see how this Luigi would be a lot different from the Luigi character. He acts pretty much the same even when you're playing as Luigi, so he would mostly be a repeat of information from the Luigi article, wouldn't he?
 
Sorry if I'm butting in but do navigation templates for games with the category for that particular game automatically apply the category to any page the template is put on?
 
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