Changes to Veteran Characters. Check replies 82 and 83 for the changes.
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GalacticPetey
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Re: Changes to Veteran Characters
Maybe if you provided a source, then they would believe you. Besides, I'm pretty sure some people on SmashBoards have said the opposite, that it comes out faster. They're probably more reliable.Super Luigi World said:
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Re: Changes to Veteran Characters
I know I heard something change to that move, but I cannot remember where. Was it in a Direct?
I know I heard something change to that move, but I cannot remember where. Was it in a Direct?
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
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Re: Changes to Veteran Characters
In the pic of the day, Sakurai confirmed that the move is now a meteor smash.
In the pic of the day, Sakurai confirmed that the move is now a meteor smash.
GalacticPetey
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Re: Changes to Veteran Characters
Added the tiny bit of info we know about Captain Falcon to the OP.
Added the tiny bit of info we know about Captain Falcon to the OP.
GalacticPetey
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Re: Changes to Veteran Characters
IGNORE THE OP. I broke the character limit so from now on the changes will be listed in two parts here. Credit to Smash Wiki for a lot of this.
Part 1:
IGNORE THE OP. I broke the character limit so from now on the changes will be listed in two parts here. Credit to Smash Wiki for a lot of this.
Part 1:
Bowser:
Buffs:
*Attacks are faster over all.
*Dashes faster.
*Launch resistance has been added to some moves.
*Up tilt has more reach.
*Forward tilt is stronger.
*Fire Breath's flames are bigger and appear to cover farther range, as well as the move having a much faster startup and cooldown.
*Flying Slam is more powerful.
*Whirling Fortress is faster and goes higher.
*Bowser Bomb causes much more damage and can even break full shields.
*Second hit of down throw does damage now.
*New neutral air has a bigger and longer lasting hitbox and has less landing lag.
*Back air does more damage.
*Jab is slightly stonger.
Nerfs:
*Down smash is easier to escape from.
*Giga Bowser has more start up and does not last as long.
Other Changes:
*Now stands upright and matches appearance in newer Mario games. Colors are also brighter.
*New dash attack.
*New forward Smash.
*New back throw.
*New neutral air, back air, and down air..
*New ledge attack.
*New animations for grab, dashing, jab, up smash, down smash, and forwrad air.
Captain Falcon:
Buffs:
*Falcon Punch now pushes him forward more.
*Raptor Boost deals more damage, goes farther, and can now KO.
*Jab is slightly stronger.
*Back throw has more KO power.
*Falcon Dive has faster start up, covers more distance, and loses less momentum.
*The Knee is insanely strong.
Nerfs:
*The Knee has more lag.
*Down throw is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Up tilt sends people up higher, weakening KO power, but increasing combo ability
*Down tilt sends opponents at a more horizontal trajectory, weakening its use as a combo move but allowing it to set up edgeguards earlier.
*Falcon Dive has more intense visual effects.
Charizard:
Buffs:
*Back throw is stronger
*Down air is faster and stronger.
*Forward throw is stronger.
*Fly goes much higher.
*Back air is stronger.
*Forward Smash is stronger.
*Flare Blitz offers a new recovery option.
Nerfs:
*Forward air is weaker.
*Forward tilt is weaker.
*Up throw is weaker.
Other Changes:
*New side B is flare Blitz. It shoots horizontally and causes recoil.
*Rock Smash is now down B.
*Mega Charizard X is now the final smash.
*New up throw.
*New animations for forward smash, down smash, and up air.
*Appearance changed to be more in line with recent models.
Diddy Kong:
Buffs:
*More reach on some attacks.
*Peanut Popgun overcharging causes a lot of damage if the opponent gets close.
*Aerials are faster.
*Up Smash is stronger
*Rocketbarrel Boost can now move in more horizontal directions.
Nerfs:
*Can only have one banana out at a time.
Other Changes:
*Appearance more in line with newer games.
*Up Smash's animation has slightly changed.
*Neutral air now sends opponents in a more vertical trajectory.
Donkey Kong:
Buffs:
*Attack and movement speed overall have been slightly improved.
*Hand Slap can now be used in mid-air and has larger hotbox on the ground.
*Back air is stronger.
*Konga Beat now has a rhythm meter that makes the final smash easier to use.
*Giant Punch is stronger.
*Forward air, up air, and up tilt have less start up lag.
*Down air is faster.
*Spinning Kong has more vertical range on the ground.
Nerfs:
*Forward air and up air are weaker.
*Down air now has a sour spot.
*Spinning Kong is weaker.
*Doiwn tilt is weaker.
*Dash Grabs are slower.
Other Changes:
*On the ground, Spinning Kong is now angled.
*The roll from the DKC games in now DK's dash attack.
*New ledge attack.
*More expressive and has more stylized fur.
Dr. Mario:
Buffs:
*Jab is faster.
*Jumps higher than before.
*Forward Smash is stronger.
*Down air is stronger.
*Back air is stronger.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Super Jump Punch is now a strong KO move up close.
*The tornado is faster, lasts longer, better for recovery than before, and is harder for opponents to escape from.
Nerfs:
*Back air has less knockback.
*More ending lag on tornado.
*Down tilt is weaker.
*Up tilt is weaker.
*Up air is weaker.
*Down smash is weaker.
*Super Sheet is weaker.
*Pills are weaker.
Other Changes:
*Pills are more brightly colored and are more rounded.
*Outfit is slightly altered to include the tie from Dr. Mario 64.
*Doc grabs with one hand.
*Has many things from Brawl that were not in Melee like multiple taunts, an on-screen entrance, and a final smash.
Falco:
Buffs:
*Forward air and neutral air connect better.
*Forward air has less landing lag.
*Back air is faster.
*Falco Phantasm has less starip lag and no longer leaves him helpless.
*Fire Bird has better recovery ability.
*Down air is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Lasers have landing lag and cannot be fired as frequently.
*Down air is slower.
*Forward smash has more start up lag.
Other Changes:
*Back air has a new animation.
Fox:
Buffs:
*Fox Illusion no longer leaves Fox helpless.
*Fire Fox has recovery ability closer to Melee.
*Back throw is slightly stronger.
*Dash attack is faster.
Nerfs:
*Dash attack is weaker.
*All air attacks have more lag.
*Mid-air Blaster has more lag.
*Forward air no longer gives the "hover" effect it did in Brawl. It also deals drastically less damage, dealing around a third of the damage it dealt previously, overall weakening its utility.
*Down throw is weaker.
*Land master is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Landmaster is a lighter shade of blue.
*Blaster looks different.
*New up tilt
*Ground attacks have a purple streak.
*New voice actor.
Ganondorf:
Buffs:
*Jab has greater range and is faster.
*Forward tilti and Up Smash have much less ending lag.
*Forward tilt has much less start up and more KO power.
*Neutral air is faster.
*Mid-air flame choke does more damage is Ganondorf slams his opponent into the ground.
*Up tilt is stronger.
*Back air is stronger.
*Up and down throws allow for better follow ups. Up throw also has less ending lag.
*Dark Dive goes farther.
Nerfs:
*Down air is much weaker.
*Dark Dive is weaker.
*Beast Ganon is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Dark Dive is more visually intense.
*The scar on Ganondorf's chest is more visible.
Ike:
Buffs:
*Forward air has less start up.
*Quickdraw no longer leaves Ike helpless.
*When using Eruption, Ragnell will now shine when it has reached its full power before becoming completely charged, providing an indication of when to release it without suffering recoil damage. Its fire is blue like it was in it's original appearance.
Nerfs:
*Forward tilt is ever so slightly weaker.
*Jab is weaker.
*Great Aether is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Ike is much more buff and his appearances matches his look from Radiant Dawn.
Jigglypuff:
Buffs:
*Jab and up tilt have been sped up.
*Back air is stronger.
*Forward throw is stronger.
*Dash attack has less ending lag.
*Charging Rollout can be stopped.
*Rest has been greatly improved since Brawl.
Nerfs:
*Pound no longer has momentum to it.
Other Appearances:
*Looks more like how she looks in X and Y in terms of proportions and aesthetics.
King Dedede:
Buffs:
*Jumps higher.
*Down air is now a single hit.
*New back air is stronger.
*Up air is stronger.
*Super Dedede Jump can now bury grounded opponents.
*New down tilt is stronger.
*Waddle Dee Toss has been replaced by a move that exclusively throws Gordos. It involves Dedede picking up a Gordo, and then hitting it with his hammer to hit it across the stage. The Gordos appear to travel slower and are weaker than they were in Brawl, now hit opponents horizontally instead of vertically, and when they hit an opponent, they bounce off them softly instead of continuing on their path. Gordos bouncing off a hit target can be hit again, and they disappear if they land on the ground. It also appears opponents can hit Gordos to knock them back at Dedede, overall it is more consistently reliable than his old side b.
Nerfs:
*Up tilt is weaker.
*Down air is slower.
*Back throw is weaker.
*No longer has his absurd chaingrab.
Other Changes:
*Dedede looks more expressive.
*Forward air now hits from above.
*Neutral air has changed.
*Back air is different.
*Down throw is different.
*Jet Hammer produces much more intense lighting that visually lights up the surrounding areas, and Dedede now visibly sweats with a grimacing facial expression when using the move. Jet Hammer also produces a wind effect, though it's unknown if it is purely aesthetic. No functional differences with the move are known at this time.
Kirby:
Buffs:
*Walks and dashes faster.
*Up throw causes more damage and much more knockback.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Down smash, forward aerial, and back aerial deal slightly more damage. Back aerial has less base knockback but more knockback scaling, making it more effective at all percentages.
*Up Smash is stronger and faster.
* Kirby's Hammer Flip (formerly known as Hammer) can now charge up and release a fire attack. Kirby can move around while charging it, and keeping it at full charge will deal recoil damage to Kirby, similarly to King Dedede's Jet Hammer.
*Down tilt and pummel are faster.
*Kirby's air speed is faster.
*Down air is now a meteor smash with less start-up lag.
*Final cutter deals more damage.
*Forward Smash is faster.
*Ultra Sword is his new final smash and is much stronger.
Nerfs:
*Beam from Final Cutter goes shorter.
*Forward smash goes a shorter distance and is weaker.
*Moves using feet have shorter reach.
*Grab range is shorter.
*Up tilt, up air, neutral air, and dash attack are weaker.
*Down tilt has less combo potential.
Other Changes:
*Kirby's voice has been changed.
*The thwomp in Kirby's stone move now matches their new look.
*Inhale has a whirlwind-like cone which bears a likeness to what is seen from the move in Kirby Triple Deluxe. It also produces a sound effect similar to Kirby's inhale SFX from Kirby's Dream Land.
Link:
Buffs:
*Forward tilt is faster.
*Clawshot goes much farther.
*Grab aerial comes out much faster.
*Gale Boomerang has its tornado come out upon returning, and has better damage and knockback.
*Hero's Bow charges faster.
*Bombs are stronger.
* Link's Dash attack is now the Jump Attack from Ocarina of Time. It is capable of hitting both horizontally and vertically depending on placement of the hitbox, and appears to have been strengthened.
*Up aerial has changed from its Zelda II: The Adventures of Link animation to a very wide scissor kick. It appears to have quicker start up and also a smaller hitbox, as the size looks very different than before.
*Down air is now a meteor smash.
*Spin attack is stronger.
*Master Sword seems to be larger, improving reach.
*Link seems to be faster and has less lag overall.
Nerfs:
*Hero's Bow is weaker.
*Bombs are more effected by gravity.
*Triforce Slash is much weaker.
Other Changes:
*Sleeker design overall.
*New ledge attack.
*New roll animations.
Lucario:
Buffs:
*Force Palm is faster and larger.
*Aura Sphere can get much bigger than before.
*Down air has little to no landing lag.
*Up tilt is faster and stronger.
*The distance travelled by ExtremeSpeed is now dependent on aura, with its distance being able to travel beyond whole stages at max power, capable of launching the player out of the arena if they aren't careful; this is a significant buff that will improve Lucario's previously poor recovery and help increase its survivability at higher damages. It is unknown at this time, however, if this will mean the move will gain shorter distance at lower damages than it did in Brawl (which would make Lucario more vulnerable to gimps at low damages). ExtremeSpeed also now has visible aura streams shooting out of Lucario's hands as it uses the move, though it's unknown at this time if this will mean that ExtremeSpeed will now have Hitboxes. It additionally appears that ExtremeSpeed can be cancelled into an attack, or Lucario now produces a moderately powerful kick when contacting an opponent with it.
Nerfs:
N/A.
Other Changes:
*Up taunt has more aura visuals.
*More visible aura effects when at higher percents.
*Double Team now causes Lucario's eyes to glow when it connects.
*Now crouches when performing an up smash.
*Dash attack has a slightly different animation.
*Final Smash is now Mega Lucario.
Luigi:
Buffs:
*Can now wall-jump.
*Grab has less ending lag.
*Forward air has greater range and knockback.
*Forward tilt is faster and deals more damage.
*Down air is faster and has a bigger hitbox.
*Green Missile is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Down air is weaker.
*The sweet spotted super jump punch can no longer KO reliably.
Other Changes:
*Green Missile now cancels after charging for too long.
*New down throw.
*New jumping animation.
*New jab animation.
*Poltergust is now final smash.
Mario:
Buffs:
*Up smash, Forward aerial, Up aerial, Down tilt, Neutral attack, and Forward tilt are faster.
*Forward smash is larger.
*Down smash has much more knockback.
*Increased air speed.
*F.L.U.D.D.'s range has increased.
*Down throw allows for much more combo potential.
*Back throw is faster and stronger.
*Up smash is stronger.
*Back air is stronger and has less lag.
*Forward air is stronger.
*Mario finale is stronger.
*Down throw and up air are faster.
Nerfs:
*Down smash does less damage.
*Mario finale has less vertical range.
*Forward throw, jab, up aerial, up tilt, forward smash, and down throw deal less damage.
*Forward tilt is weaker and has less range.
*Cape is weaker.
*Super Jump Punch is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Now grabs with one hand.
*Fireballs fall faster.
*New sound effects on cape and super jump punch.
Marth:
Buffs:
*Shield Breaker is stronger and gives Marth a horizontal boost in the air.
*Counter is much stronger.
*Back air is faster.
*Down tilt is stronger.
*Down air has less ending lag.
*Critical Hit is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Sword is shorter than in brawl, decreasing range on all his attacks.
*Forward air is weaker and has a lot more lag than before.
*A lot of moves have less power.
*Grabs do not allow for nearly as many follow ups as before.
Other Changes:
*Appearance matches that of Heroes of Light and Shadow.
Meta Knight:
Buffs:
*Dimensional Cape deals more damage.
*Forward Smash is stronger.
*Up Smash is stronger.
*Meta Knight is larger.
*Drill Rush connects better and is stronger.
*Back throw is slightly stronger.
*Tornado is harder to SDI out of.
*Up b deals more damage.
Nerfs:
*Hurtbox is larger, making him easier to hit.
*Drill rush has more start-up lag.
*Mach Tornado is weaker.
*Forward air is weaker.
*Down throw is weaker.
*Forward tilt is weaker.
*Can no longer glide.
*Up b has less Ko power.
Other Changes:
*Looks a little less cartoonish.
Mr. Game and Watch:
Buffs:
N/A
Nerfs:
N/A
Other Changes:
*Forward smash is now two handed.
*Up-B looks different during descent.
*New down taunt.
*Octopus now has glowing aura outline.
Ness:
Buffs:
*Faster overall.
*PK Thunder travels faster and has a bigger hitbox.
*Forward tilt is faster.
*Down air has less start-up and is faster.
*Up throw is stronger.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Neutral air is stronger.
*PK Flash travels faster.
*PSI Magnet has less ending lag.
*PK Fire travels farther.
*PK Starstorm's stars are more concentrated.
Nerfs:
*Up throw has less combo ability.
*Down air has less knockback.
*Forward Smash is slower.
*Forward air is weaker.
*PK Starstorm has less horizontal range.
Other Changes:
*The Final Smash may be angled left or right to catch any opponents.
*Dash attack has more intense lighting effects.
*PK Thunder appears to be a brighter shade of blue.
*PSI Magnet also is a light blue color.
*PK Flash is a much darker green.
*PK Fire's affect after hitting an opponent produces darker colored flames, and produces more smoke.
*Up tilt changed to his Smash 64 animation
Olimar:
Buffs:
*New Up B with much more vertical height.
*Thrown Pikmin can carry items to Olimar.
*Pikmin are now plucked in a fixed order. Red, yellow, blue, white, and purple.
*New up air is better.
*Pikmin are easier to see.
*Forward tilt is now a powerful punch.
*Pikmin fly farther when thrown.
*Some attacks have been sped up.
*Down smash is stronger.
*Forward smash has greater range.
*End of Day has a bigger explosion hitbox.
Nerfs:
*Must carry fewer Pikmin to recover higher.
*Can only have three Pikmin.
*Up smash has less range.
*Forward Smash is weaker.
*Pikmin Order no longer grants brief super armor.
*Red Pikmin are weaker than before.
Other Changes:
*Pikmin are slightly larger.
Peach:
Buffs:
*Up smash now includes a ribbon, increasing horizontal and vertical reach.
*Peach Bomber is faster.
*Midair jump goes higher.
*Down Smash is much closer to its Melee incarnation.
*Down air is faster.
Nerfs:
*Vegetable has more ending lag once a turnip is plucked.
Other Changes:
*Dash attack now has a magic effect.
*Up tilt has a slightly tweaked animation.
*Has a new up air.
*Forward smash a different animation.
*Sparkle effects during float are back.
Pikachu:
Buffs:
*Skull Bash goes farther.
*Forward air is stronger.
*Neutral air is stronger.
*Forward throw is stronger.
*Up tilt and up air have less lag.
*Sweet spotted dash attach is stronger.
*Thunder can now Meteor Smash.
*Volt Tackle lasts longer.
Nerfs:
*Volt Tackle is weaker and slower, but more controlled.
*Forward smash, forward tilt, up aerial, and back aerial deal less damage.
*Down smash has higher ending lag.
*Down throw appears to have higher knockback growth, limiting Pikachu's followup options.
*Pikachu's Quick Attack can not be cancelled into the ground anymore, removing the possibility of the QAC technique.
Other Changes:
*Slimmer and more brightly colored.
Pit:
Buffs:
*Final Smash is now the Three Sacred Treasures.
*Dash attack has less ending lag.
*Forward smash and back throw have better knockback.
*Up tilt has less lag and ideals more knockback..
Nerfs:
*Jab is weaker.
*Forward smash deals less damage.
*Can no longer glide.
*A number of Pit's attacks (e.g. forward tilt, dash attack, up smash) deal less damage than in Brawl. His forward tilt also has more ending lag.
*Palutena's Arrow has more start up, vanish quicker, and deals less damage.
*Up tilt deals less damage.
Other Changes:
*Appearance matches Kid Icarus Uprising.
*Has new side special, the Upperdash arm.
*Guradian Orbiters are used as a reflector down B.
*Power of Flight is the new Up B. Similar to Fox.
*Some attacks involving his blades have tipper mechanic like Marth.
*Old neutral air is now his forward air.
*New neutral air.
*New taunt.
R.O.B.:
Buffs:
*Forward smash has increased power and range.
*ROB is larger, increasing his range.
*Up smash hits grounded characters more easily now.
*Side Special has a finisher.
*Forward air is faster.
*Has new, massive laser for his final smash.
Nerfs:
*Is now a bigger target.
Other Changes:
*Raises arms when using Robo Burner.
* R.O.B. now has an animation for failing to pull out a Gyro, if a Gyro is already present on the stage.
*Robo Beam's fully charged laser is now much taller at the front, but appears to travel a shorter distance.
Samus:
Buffs:
*Grapple Beam is much faster and has landing lag reduced.
*Screw Attack now has more knockback.
*Zero Laser is more narrow, and comes out faster. It doesn't break the Power Suit.
*Up smash deals drastically more knockback to the point where it can KO. The hits are also much closer together.
*Down tilt appears to have gained more KO power.
*Dash attack's early hit deals slightly more damage than in Brawl.
*Charge Shot is faster.
*Missiles are slightly faster.
*Down air is faster.
*Down smash is stronger and faster.
*Up tilt is faster.
*Forward tilt is faster.
Nerfs:
*Charge Shot is slightly weaker.
*Samus now has landing lag is she shoots a missile in the air.
*Down air is weaker.
*Down smash is weaker.
*Samus's bombs are not as good.
Other Changes:
*Neutral aerial is now a quick kick in front of her and behind her.
*Charge Shot changes color depending on Samus's palette swap.
*Grab aerial now has two hits.
*Her down tilt produces much more intense lighting effects.
*Separate from ZSS.
Sheik:
Buffs:
*Short hop is much faster.
*Needle Storm air no longer has its landing lag.
*Up aerial is now a multi-hit attack.
*Down aerial is now a meteor smash. It also leads into a second hit on grounded opponents.
*Forward throw appears to have been sped up. It also deals 1% more damage than in Brawl, and sends foes at a slightly higher trajectory.
*Neutral infinite now transitions into a finisher.
*Forward aerial is much faster, and deals 2% more damage.
*Forward smash has been strengthened again, now being able to KO under 100% when fully charged.
Nerfs:
*Dash attack is weaker by 1%.
Other Changes:
*Falls faster.
*Burst Grenade is her new side B. Pulls opponents in.
*Bouncing fish is her new Down B. Similar to ZSS's.
*Now separate from Zelda.
Sonic:
Buffs:
*Spring Jump's spring now lingers on after it hits a foe.
*Dash attack now transitions into a rolling kick.
*Forward tilt is noted to have more KO power.
*Forward smash has also been buffed.
*Back aerial deals more damage, now dealing 15% as opposed to 13%.
*Down aerial is now a meteor smash.
*Homing Attack has less start-up lag.
Nerfs:
*Down air is weaker.
*Homing Attack is weaker.
*Up throw is weaker.
*Forward throw is weaker.
*Super Sonic causes less damage and knock back.
Other Changes:
*Neutral aerial now has a bluish sphere around it for the duration of the move.
*Spin Dash now appears to have the same flashing charge animation that Spin Charge uses.
*Down smash has been changed to a splitting kick, similar to that of Fox.
*Sonic has much more variety with his palette swaps in Smash 4; new colours include a light blue and white.
*Attacks which involve spinning emit a lower-pitched sound effect, similar to that heard in Sonic Lost World.
*Some of Sonic's attacks produce more visualized lighting effects.
Toon Link:
Buffs:
*Toon Link appears to dash faster.
*Hookshot grab has significantly less ending lag, and follows a straight path like Link's hookshot in Super Smash Bros. 64. It can also latch on to ledges from a much greater distance.
*His grab aerial comes out much faster.
*Up throw has less base knockback.
*Hero's Bow charges faster and travels further charged.
*Boomerang travel a longer distance.
*Forward smash and up tilt have been sped up.
Nerfs:
*Down throw has higher knockback growth, limiting its use at higher percentages.
*Down aerial now goes straight down through opponents, rather than bouncing off them when contact is made.
Other Changes:
*Spin Attack now has a green sword trail.
*Down smash's first hit has higher knockback growth, limiting the move's damage racking utility but enhancing its KO power.
*Side taunt now shows Toon Link looking at a fairy.
Buffs:
*Attacks are faster over all.
*Dashes faster.
*Launch resistance has been added to some moves.
*Up tilt has more reach.
*Forward tilt is stronger.
*Fire Breath's flames are bigger and appear to cover farther range, as well as the move having a much faster startup and cooldown.
*Flying Slam is more powerful.
*Whirling Fortress is faster and goes higher.
*Bowser Bomb causes much more damage and can even break full shields.
*Second hit of down throw does damage now.
*New neutral air has a bigger and longer lasting hitbox and has less landing lag.
*Back air does more damage.
*Jab is slightly stonger.
Nerfs:
*Down smash is easier to escape from.
*Giga Bowser has more start up and does not last as long.
Other Changes:
*Now stands upright and matches appearance in newer Mario games. Colors are also brighter.
*New dash attack.
*New forward Smash.
*New back throw.
*New neutral air, back air, and down air..
*New ledge attack.
*New animations for grab, dashing, jab, up smash, down smash, and forwrad air.
Captain Falcon:
Buffs:
*Falcon Punch now pushes him forward more.
*Raptor Boost deals more damage, goes farther, and can now KO.
*Jab is slightly stronger.
*Back throw has more KO power.
*Falcon Dive has faster start up, covers more distance, and loses less momentum.
*The Knee is insanely strong.
Nerfs:
*The Knee has more lag.
*Down throw is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Up tilt sends people up higher, weakening KO power, but increasing combo ability
*Down tilt sends opponents at a more horizontal trajectory, weakening its use as a combo move but allowing it to set up edgeguards earlier.
*Falcon Dive has more intense visual effects.
Charizard:
Buffs:
*Back throw is stronger
*Down air is faster and stronger.
*Forward throw is stronger.
*Fly goes much higher.
*Back air is stronger.
*Forward Smash is stronger.
*Flare Blitz offers a new recovery option.
Nerfs:
*Forward air is weaker.
*Forward tilt is weaker.
*Up throw is weaker.
Other Changes:
*New side B is flare Blitz. It shoots horizontally and causes recoil.
*Rock Smash is now down B.
*Mega Charizard X is now the final smash.
*New up throw.
*New animations for forward smash, down smash, and up air.
*Appearance changed to be more in line with recent models.
Diddy Kong:
Buffs:
*More reach on some attacks.
*Peanut Popgun overcharging causes a lot of damage if the opponent gets close.
*Aerials are faster.
*Up Smash is stronger
*Rocketbarrel Boost can now move in more horizontal directions.
Nerfs:
*Can only have one banana out at a time.
Other Changes:
*Appearance more in line with newer games.
*Up Smash's animation has slightly changed.
*Neutral air now sends opponents in a more vertical trajectory.
Donkey Kong:
Buffs:
*Attack and movement speed overall have been slightly improved.
*Hand Slap can now be used in mid-air and has larger hotbox on the ground.
*Back air is stronger.
*Konga Beat now has a rhythm meter that makes the final smash easier to use.
*Giant Punch is stronger.
*Forward air, up air, and up tilt have less start up lag.
*Down air is faster.
*Spinning Kong has more vertical range on the ground.
Nerfs:
*Forward air and up air are weaker.
*Down air now has a sour spot.
*Spinning Kong is weaker.
*Doiwn tilt is weaker.
*Dash Grabs are slower.
Other Changes:
*On the ground, Spinning Kong is now angled.
*The roll from the DKC games in now DK's dash attack.
*New ledge attack.
*More expressive and has more stylized fur.
Dr. Mario:
Buffs:
*Jab is faster.
*Jumps higher than before.
*Forward Smash is stronger.
*Down air is stronger.
*Back air is stronger.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Super Jump Punch is now a strong KO move up close.
*The tornado is faster, lasts longer, better for recovery than before, and is harder for opponents to escape from.
Nerfs:
*Back air has less knockback.
*More ending lag on tornado.
*Down tilt is weaker.
*Up tilt is weaker.
*Up air is weaker.
*Down smash is weaker.
*Super Sheet is weaker.
*Pills are weaker.
Other Changes:
*Pills are more brightly colored and are more rounded.
*Outfit is slightly altered to include the tie from Dr. Mario 64.
*Doc grabs with one hand.
*Has many things from Brawl that were not in Melee like multiple taunts, an on-screen entrance, and a final smash.
Falco:
Buffs:
*Forward air and neutral air connect better.
*Forward air has less landing lag.
*Back air is faster.
*Falco Phantasm has less starip lag and no longer leaves him helpless.
*Fire Bird has better recovery ability.
*Down air is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Lasers have landing lag and cannot be fired as frequently.
*Down air is slower.
*Forward smash has more start up lag.
Other Changes:
*Back air has a new animation.
Fox:
Buffs:
*Fox Illusion no longer leaves Fox helpless.
*Fire Fox has recovery ability closer to Melee.
*Back throw is slightly stronger.
*Dash attack is faster.
Nerfs:
*Dash attack is weaker.
*All air attacks have more lag.
*Mid-air Blaster has more lag.
*Forward air no longer gives the "hover" effect it did in Brawl. It also deals drastically less damage, dealing around a third of the damage it dealt previously, overall weakening its utility.
*Down throw is weaker.
*Land master is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Landmaster is a lighter shade of blue.
*Blaster looks different.
*New up tilt
*Ground attacks have a purple streak.
*New voice actor.
Ganondorf:
Buffs:
*Jab has greater range and is faster.
*Forward tilti and Up Smash have much less ending lag.
*Forward tilt has much less start up and more KO power.
*Neutral air is faster.
*Mid-air flame choke does more damage is Ganondorf slams his opponent into the ground.
*Up tilt is stronger.
*Back air is stronger.
*Up and down throws allow for better follow ups. Up throw also has less ending lag.
*Dark Dive goes farther.
Nerfs:
*Down air is much weaker.
*Dark Dive is weaker.
*Beast Ganon is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Dark Dive is more visually intense.
*The scar on Ganondorf's chest is more visible.
Ike:
Buffs:
*Forward air has less start up.
*Quickdraw no longer leaves Ike helpless.
*When using Eruption, Ragnell will now shine when it has reached its full power before becoming completely charged, providing an indication of when to release it without suffering recoil damage. Its fire is blue like it was in it's original appearance.
Nerfs:
*Forward tilt is ever so slightly weaker.
*Jab is weaker.
*Great Aether is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Ike is much more buff and his appearances matches his look from Radiant Dawn.
Jigglypuff:
Buffs:
*Jab and up tilt have been sped up.
*Back air is stronger.
*Forward throw is stronger.
*Dash attack has less ending lag.
*Charging Rollout can be stopped.
*Rest has been greatly improved since Brawl.
Nerfs:
*Pound no longer has momentum to it.
Other Appearances:
*Looks more like how she looks in X and Y in terms of proportions and aesthetics.
King Dedede:
Buffs:
*Jumps higher.
*Down air is now a single hit.
*New back air is stronger.
*Up air is stronger.
*Super Dedede Jump can now bury grounded opponents.
*New down tilt is stronger.
*Waddle Dee Toss has been replaced by a move that exclusively throws Gordos. It involves Dedede picking up a Gordo, and then hitting it with his hammer to hit it across the stage. The Gordos appear to travel slower and are weaker than they were in Brawl, now hit opponents horizontally instead of vertically, and when they hit an opponent, they bounce off them softly instead of continuing on their path. Gordos bouncing off a hit target can be hit again, and they disappear if they land on the ground. It also appears opponents can hit Gordos to knock them back at Dedede, overall it is more consistently reliable than his old side b.
Nerfs:
*Up tilt is weaker.
*Down air is slower.
*Back throw is weaker.
*No longer has his absurd chaingrab.
Other Changes:
*Dedede looks more expressive.
*Forward air now hits from above.
*Neutral air has changed.
*Back air is different.
*Down throw is different.
*Jet Hammer produces much more intense lighting that visually lights up the surrounding areas, and Dedede now visibly sweats with a grimacing facial expression when using the move. Jet Hammer also produces a wind effect, though it's unknown if it is purely aesthetic. No functional differences with the move are known at this time.
Kirby:
Buffs:
*Walks and dashes faster.
*Up throw causes more damage and much more knockback.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Down smash, forward aerial, and back aerial deal slightly more damage. Back aerial has less base knockback but more knockback scaling, making it more effective at all percentages.
*Up Smash is stronger and faster.
* Kirby's Hammer Flip (formerly known as Hammer) can now charge up and release a fire attack. Kirby can move around while charging it, and keeping it at full charge will deal recoil damage to Kirby, similarly to King Dedede's Jet Hammer.
*Down tilt and pummel are faster.
*Kirby's air speed is faster.
*Down air is now a meteor smash with less start-up lag.
*Final cutter deals more damage.
*Forward Smash is faster.
*Ultra Sword is his new final smash and is much stronger.
Nerfs:
*Beam from Final Cutter goes shorter.
*Forward smash goes a shorter distance and is weaker.
*Moves using feet have shorter reach.
*Grab range is shorter.
*Up tilt, up air, neutral air, and dash attack are weaker.
*Down tilt has less combo potential.
Other Changes:
*Kirby's voice has been changed.
*The thwomp in Kirby's stone move now matches their new look.
*Inhale has a whirlwind-like cone which bears a likeness to what is seen from the move in Kirby Triple Deluxe. It also produces a sound effect similar to Kirby's inhale SFX from Kirby's Dream Land.
Link:
Buffs:
*Forward tilt is faster.
*Clawshot goes much farther.
*Grab aerial comes out much faster.
*Gale Boomerang has its tornado come out upon returning, and has better damage and knockback.
*Hero's Bow charges faster.
*Bombs are stronger.
* Link's Dash attack is now the Jump Attack from Ocarina of Time. It is capable of hitting both horizontally and vertically depending on placement of the hitbox, and appears to have been strengthened.
*Up aerial has changed from its Zelda II: The Adventures of Link animation to a very wide scissor kick. It appears to have quicker start up and also a smaller hitbox, as the size looks very different than before.
*Down air is now a meteor smash.
*Spin attack is stronger.
*Master Sword seems to be larger, improving reach.
*Link seems to be faster and has less lag overall.
Nerfs:
*Hero's Bow is weaker.
*Bombs are more effected by gravity.
*Triforce Slash is much weaker.
Other Changes:
*Sleeker design overall.
*New ledge attack.
*New roll animations.
Lucario:
Buffs:
*Force Palm is faster and larger.
*Aura Sphere can get much bigger than before.
*Down air has little to no landing lag.
*Up tilt is faster and stronger.
*The distance travelled by ExtremeSpeed is now dependent on aura, with its distance being able to travel beyond whole stages at max power, capable of launching the player out of the arena if they aren't careful; this is a significant buff that will improve Lucario's previously poor recovery and help increase its survivability at higher damages. It is unknown at this time, however, if this will mean the move will gain shorter distance at lower damages than it did in Brawl (which would make Lucario more vulnerable to gimps at low damages). ExtremeSpeed also now has visible aura streams shooting out of Lucario's hands as it uses the move, though it's unknown at this time if this will mean that ExtremeSpeed will now have Hitboxes. It additionally appears that ExtremeSpeed can be cancelled into an attack, or Lucario now produces a moderately powerful kick when contacting an opponent with it.
Nerfs:
N/A.
Other Changes:
*Up taunt has more aura visuals.
*More visible aura effects when at higher percents.
*Double Team now causes Lucario's eyes to glow when it connects.
*Now crouches when performing an up smash.
*Dash attack has a slightly different animation.
*Final Smash is now Mega Lucario.
Luigi:
Buffs:
*Can now wall-jump.
*Grab has less ending lag.
*Forward air has greater range and knockback.
*Forward tilt is faster and deals more damage.
*Down air is faster and has a bigger hitbox.
*Green Missile is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Down air is weaker.
*The sweet spotted super jump punch can no longer KO reliably.
Other Changes:
*Green Missile now cancels after charging for too long.
*New down throw.
*New jumping animation.
*New jab animation.
*Poltergust is now final smash.
Mario:
Buffs:
*Up smash, Forward aerial, Up aerial, Down tilt, Neutral attack, and Forward tilt are faster.
*Forward smash is larger.
*Down smash has much more knockback.
*Increased air speed.
*F.L.U.D.D.'s range has increased.
*Down throw allows for much more combo potential.
*Back throw is faster and stronger.
*Up smash is stronger.
*Back air is stronger and has less lag.
*Forward air is stronger.
*Mario finale is stronger.
*Down throw and up air are faster.
Nerfs:
*Down smash does less damage.
*Mario finale has less vertical range.
*Forward throw, jab, up aerial, up tilt, forward smash, and down throw deal less damage.
*Forward tilt is weaker and has less range.
*Cape is weaker.
*Super Jump Punch is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Now grabs with one hand.
*Fireballs fall faster.
*New sound effects on cape and super jump punch.
Marth:
Buffs:
*Shield Breaker is stronger and gives Marth a horizontal boost in the air.
*Counter is much stronger.
*Back air is faster.
*Down tilt is stronger.
*Down air has less ending lag.
*Critical Hit is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Sword is shorter than in brawl, decreasing range on all his attacks.
*Forward air is weaker and has a lot more lag than before.
*A lot of moves have less power.
*Grabs do not allow for nearly as many follow ups as before.
Other Changes:
*Appearance matches that of Heroes of Light and Shadow.
Meta Knight:
Buffs:
*Dimensional Cape deals more damage.
*Forward Smash is stronger.
*Up Smash is stronger.
*Meta Knight is larger.
*Drill Rush connects better and is stronger.
*Back throw is slightly stronger.
*Tornado is harder to SDI out of.
*Up b deals more damage.
Nerfs:
*Hurtbox is larger, making him easier to hit.
*Drill rush has more start-up lag.
*Mach Tornado is weaker.
*Forward air is weaker.
*Down throw is weaker.
*Forward tilt is weaker.
*Can no longer glide.
*Up b has less Ko power.
Other Changes:
*Looks a little less cartoonish.
Mr. Game and Watch:
Buffs:
N/A
Nerfs:
N/A
Other Changes:
*Forward smash is now two handed.
*Up-B looks different during descent.
*New down taunt.
*Octopus now has glowing aura outline.
Ness:
Buffs:
*Faster overall.
*PK Thunder travels faster and has a bigger hitbox.
*Forward tilt is faster.
*Down air has less start-up and is faster.
*Up throw is stronger.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Neutral air is stronger.
*PK Flash travels faster.
*PSI Magnet has less ending lag.
*PK Fire travels farther.
*PK Starstorm's stars are more concentrated.
Nerfs:
*Up throw has less combo ability.
*Down air has less knockback.
*Forward Smash is slower.
*Forward air is weaker.
*PK Starstorm has less horizontal range.
Other Changes:
*The Final Smash may be angled left or right to catch any opponents.
*Dash attack has more intense lighting effects.
*PK Thunder appears to be a brighter shade of blue.
*PSI Magnet also is a light blue color.
*PK Flash is a much darker green.
*PK Fire's affect after hitting an opponent produces darker colored flames, and produces more smoke.
*Up tilt changed to his Smash 64 animation
Olimar:
Buffs:
*New Up B with much more vertical height.
*Thrown Pikmin can carry items to Olimar.
*Pikmin are now plucked in a fixed order. Red, yellow, blue, white, and purple.
*New up air is better.
*Pikmin are easier to see.
*Forward tilt is now a powerful punch.
*Pikmin fly farther when thrown.
*Some attacks have been sped up.
*Down smash is stronger.
*Forward smash has greater range.
*End of Day has a bigger explosion hitbox.
Nerfs:
*Must carry fewer Pikmin to recover higher.
*Can only have three Pikmin.
*Up smash has less range.
*Forward Smash is weaker.
*Pikmin Order no longer grants brief super armor.
*Red Pikmin are weaker than before.
Other Changes:
*Pikmin are slightly larger.
Peach:
Buffs:
*Up smash now includes a ribbon, increasing horizontal and vertical reach.
*Peach Bomber is faster.
*Midair jump goes higher.
*Down Smash is much closer to its Melee incarnation.
*Down air is faster.
Nerfs:
*Vegetable has more ending lag once a turnip is plucked.
Other Changes:
*Dash attack now has a magic effect.
*Up tilt has a slightly tweaked animation.
*Has a new up air.
*Forward smash a different animation.
*Sparkle effects during float are back.
Pikachu:
Buffs:
*Skull Bash goes farther.
*Forward air is stronger.
*Neutral air is stronger.
*Forward throw is stronger.
*Up tilt and up air have less lag.
*Sweet spotted dash attach is stronger.
*Thunder can now Meteor Smash.
*Volt Tackle lasts longer.
Nerfs:
*Volt Tackle is weaker and slower, but more controlled.
*Forward smash, forward tilt, up aerial, and back aerial deal less damage.
*Down smash has higher ending lag.
*Down throw appears to have higher knockback growth, limiting Pikachu's followup options.
*Pikachu's Quick Attack can not be cancelled into the ground anymore, removing the possibility of the QAC technique.
Other Changes:
*Slimmer and more brightly colored.
Pit:
Buffs:
*Final Smash is now the Three Sacred Treasures.
*Dash attack has less ending lag.
*Forward smash and back throw have better knockback.
*Up tilt has less lag and ideals more knockback..
Nerfs:
*Jab is weaker.
*Forward smash deals less damage.
*Can no longer glide.
*A number of Pit's attacks (e.g. forward tilt, dash attack, up smash) deal less damage than in Brawl. His forward tilt also has more ending lag.
*Palutena's Arrow has more start up, vanish quicker, and deals less damage.
*Up tilt deals less damage.
Other Changes:
*Appearance matches Kid Icarus Uprising.
*Has new side special, the Upperdash arm.
*Guradian Orbiters are used as a reflector down B.
*Power of Flight is the new Up B. Similar to Fox.
*Some attacks involving his blades have tipper mechanic like Marth.
*Old neutral air is now his forward air.
*New neutral air.
*New taunt.
R.O.B.:
Buffs:
*Forward smash has increased power and range.
*ROB is larger, increasing his range.
*Up smash hits grounded characters more easily now.
*Side Special has a finisher.
*Forward air is faster.
*Has new, massive laser for his final smash.
Nerfs:
*Is now a bigger target.
Other Changes:
*Raises arms when using Robo Burner.
* R.O.B. now has an animation for failing to pull out a Gyro, if a Gyro is already present on the stage.
*Robo Beam's fully charged laser is now much taller at the front, but appears to travel a shorter distance.
Samus:
Buffs:
*Grapple Beam is much faster and has landing lag reduced.
*Screw Attack now has more knockback.
*Zero Laser is more narrow, and comes out faster. It doesn't break the Power Suit.
*Up smash deals drastically more knockback to the point where it can KO. The hits are also much closer together.
*Down tilt appears to have gained more KO power.
*Dash attack's early hit deals slightly more damage than in Brawl.
*Charge Shot is faster.
*Missiles are slightly faster.
*Down air is faster.
*Down smash is stronger and faster.
*Up tilt is faster.
*Forward tilt is faster.
Nerfs:
*Charge Shot is slightly weaker.
*Samus now has landing lag is she shoots a missile in the air.
*Down air is weaker.
*Down smash is weaker.
*Samus's bombs are not as good.
Other Changes:
*Neutral aerial is now a quick kick in front of her and behind her.
*Charge Shot changes color depending on Samus's palette swap.
*Grab aerial now has two hits.
*Her down tilt produces much more intense lighting effects.
*Separate from ZSS.
Sheik:
Buffs:
*Short hop is much faster.
*Needle Storm air no longer has its landing lag.
*Up aerial is now a multi-hit attack.
*Down aerial is now a meteor smash. It also leads into a second hit on grounded opponents.
*Forward throw appears to have been sped up. It also deals 1% more damage than in Brawl, and sends foes at a slightly higher trajectory.
*Neutral infinite now transitions into a finisher.
*Forward aerial is much faster, and deals 2% more damage.
*Forward smash has been strengthened again, now being able to KO under 100% when fully charged.
Nerfs:
*Dash attack is weaker by 1%.
Other Changes:
*Falls faster.
*Burst Grenade is her new side B. Pulls opponents in.
*Bouncing fish is her new Down B. Similar to ZSS's.
*Now separate from Zelda.
Sonic:
Buffs:
*Spring Jump's spring now lingers on after it hits a foe.
*Dash attack now transitions into a rolling kick.
*Forward tilt is noted to have more KO power.
*Forward smash has also been buffed.
*Back aerial deals more damage, now dealing 15% as opposed to 13%.
*Down aerial is now a meteor smash.
*Homing Attack has less start-up lag.
Nerfs:
*Down air is weaker.
*Homing Attack is weaker.
*Up throw is weaker.
*Forward throw is weaker.
*Super Sonic causes less damage and knock back.
Other Changes:
*Neutral aerial now has a bluish sphere around it for the duration of the move.
*Spin Dash now appears to have the same flashing charge animation that Spin Charge uses.
*Down smash has been changed to a splitting kick, similar to that of Fox.
*Sonic has much more variety with his palette swaps in Smash 4; new colours include a light blue and white.
*Attacks which involve spinning emit a lower-pitched sound effect, similar to that heard in Sonic Lost World.
*Some of Sonic's attacks produce more visualized lighting effects.
Toon Link:
Buffs:
*Toon Link appears to dash faster.
*Hookshot grab has significantly less ending lag, and follows a straight path like Link's hookshot in Super Smash Bros. 64. It can also latch on to ledges from a much greater distance.
*His grab aerial comes out much faster.
*Up throw has less base knockback.
*Hero's Bow charges faster and travels further charged.
*Boomerang travel a longer distance.
*Forward smash and up tilt have been sped up.
Nerfs:
*Down throw has higher knockback growth, limiting its use at higher percentages.
*Down aerial now goes straight down through opponents, rather than bouncing off them when contact is made.
Other Changes:
*Spin Attack now has a green sword trail.
*Down smash's first hit has higher knockback growth, limiting the move's damage racking utility but enhancing its KO power.
*Side taunt now shows Toon Link looking at a fairy.
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
- Thread starter
- #84
Re: Changes to Veteran Characters
Part 2:
Part 2:
Wario:
Buffs:
*Foward tilt is sped up.
*Wario's forward-smash is no longer the shoulder bash, and instead is a backhanded punch, which has more range.
*Down Smash has less endlag.
*Down tilt is sped up.
*Wario's up-smash is replaced with a head butt similar to Mario, Luigi and Dr. Mario's, which is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Wario Bike can no longer be broken into pieces. This means he no longer has tires to throw.
Other Changes:
*Has less jerky animations.
Yoshi:
Buffs:
*Neutral attack hit 1 can now set up moves more reliably, particularly up smashes.
*Back aerial now has a more accentuated final hit.
*Forward aerial, as with other meteor smashes, is much faster.
*Down aerial's final blow now hits grounded opponents horizontally, which should make the move safer to use on grounded opponents. The animation is also significantly faster.
*Yoshi's tail appears to grow larger for his tail based attacks, apparently increasing its reach.
*Yoshi is now able to jump out of shield, like in Smash 64.
*Egg Throw now has a small rainbow trail added when Yoshi throws the egg and they travel faster.
*Forward and down tilts have been sped up.
*Down smash has stronger knockback.
*Down air is stronger.
*New dahs attack has increased range and less lag.
Nerfs:
*Up tilt, neutral aerial, up aerial, forward smash, down smash, down tilt, and Egg Throw all deal less damage.
*Down aerial has drastically less damage potential, and its final hit sends aerial opponents upwards, removing its potential of drilling offstage opponents.
*Can no longer follow up on most of his throws.
*New up smash is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Yoshi now stand upright and looks more accurate to current games.
*Egg Color matches Yoshi color.
Zelda:
Buffs:
*Forward tilt, up smash and neutral aerial have been buffed.
*Nayru's Love has been sped up.
*Din's Fire will receive additional buffing, with its explosion now growing larger the longer the move is projected, and it'll now have a more powerful sweet spot at the center of the explosion, though the extent of the sweet spot's power and the explosion's greater potential size has not been explicitly stated.
*Has lost the ability to Transform into Sheik, with the latter becoming her own separate character. To replace Transform, Zelda has a new down special move called Phantom Slash, where she summons a Phantom Armor that shoots out like a projectile, before materialising and attacking. It can also block attacks, and it appears it can be charged to summon the Phantom at farther distances; the Phantom can be reflected as well.
*Up aerial deals 1% more damage than in Brawl.
*Down aerial's sweetspot deals 3% more damage, and appears to have a slightly longer horizontal range.
*Down tilt has slightly longer horizontal range, and noticeably less ending lag.
*Sweetspotted dash attack deals slightly more damage than in Brawl. It also appears to have strengthened somewhat.
*Farore's Wind has a lot of power now.
Nerfs:
*Nayru's Love is weaker.
*Forward tilt no longer has its combo potential.
*Up tilt had had its power cut in half.
*Down throw is weaker.
*Dash attack is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Zelda seems to have gotten a new air dodge animation. She now does a pose similar to Zero Suit Samus's air dodge's pose.
*Zelda has a new sidestep pose. It now resembles Peach's.
*Forward tilt has new visual effects to match its slash effect.
Zero Suit Samus:
Buffs:
*She wears jet boots, which visibly flare during her kicking attacks, which has been stated to buff the power of such attacks.
*Her whip appears to have a slightly longer range.
*Zero Suit Samus appears to have a new grab aerial, where she fires her Plasma Whip forward. It appears to have long horizontal range and no landing lag.
*Zero Suit Samus appears to have a new up special, where she performs a dive kick that goes upwards. When used on opponents she performs a powerful upward kick, then a spin kick to send them flying.
*Zero Suit Samus has a new Final Smash involving her jumping into her Gunship and firing from the front of the screen, similar to Snake's Final Smash in Brawl.
*Her down throw appears to have been sped up.
*Back throw deals slightly more damage.
*Flip Jump can now bury opponents.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Down smash is faster.
Nerfs:
*Dash attack has less range.
*Her down smash appears to have less hitstun. It also deals less damage, now dealing 8% uncharged as opposed to 11%, seemingly weakening its utility.
*Up aerial, back aerial, and Plasma Whip deal less damage.
Other Changes:
*Zero Suit Samus fires Paralyzer in an altered pose.
*Zero Suit Samus has a new forward smash, which is now a double kick forward.
*Flip Jump now produces an afterimage graphical effect.
*Dash attack has new animation.
Buffs:
*Foward tilt is sped up.
*Wario's forward-smash is no longer the shoulder bash, and instead is a backhanded punch, which has more range.
*Down Smash has less endlag.
*Down tilt is sped up.
*Wario's up-smash is replaced with a head butt similar to Mario, Luigi and Dr. Mario's, which is stronger.
Nerfs:
*Wario Bike can no longer be broken into pieces. This means he no longer has tires to throw.
Other Changes:
*Has less jerky animations.
Yoshi:
Buffs:
*Neutral attack hit 1 can now set up moves more reliably, particularly up smashes.
*Back aerial now has a more accentuated final hit.
*Forward aerial, as with other meteor smashes, is much faster.
*Down aerial's final blow now hits grounded opponents horizontally, which should make the move safer to use on grounded opponents. The animation is also significantly faster.
*Yoshi's tail appears to grow larger for his tail based attacks, apparently increasing its reach.
*Yoshi is now able to jump out of shield, like in Smash 64.
*Egg Throw now has a small rainbow trail added when Yoshi throws the egg and they travel faster.
*Forward and down tilts have been sped up.
*Down smash has stronger knockback.
*Down air is stronger.
*New dahs attack has increased range and less lag.
Nerfs:
*Up tilt, neutral aerial, up aerial, forward smash, down smash, down tilt, and Egg Throw all deal less damage.
*Down aerial has drastically less damage potential, and its final hit sends aerial opponents upwards, removing its potential of drilling offstage opponents.
*Can no longer follow up on most of his throws.
*New up smash is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Yoshi now stand upright and looks more accurate to current games.
*Egg Color matches Yoshi color.
Zelda:
Buffs:
*Forward tilt, up smash and neutral aerial have been buffed.
*Nayru's Love has been sped up.
*Din's Fire will receive additional buffing, with its explosion now growing larger the longer the move is projected, and it'll now have a more powerful sweet spot at the center of the explosion, though the extent of the sweet spot's power and the explosion's greater potential size has not been explicitly stated.
*Has lost the ability to Transform into Sheik, with the latter becoming her own separate character. To replace Transform, Zelda has a new down special move called Phantom Slash, where she summons a Phantom Armor that shoots out like a projectile, before materialising and attacking. It can also block attacks, and it appears it can be charged to summon the Phantom at farther distances; the Phantom can be reflected as well.
*Up aerial deals 1% more damage than in Brawl.
*Down aerial's sweetspot deals 3% more damage, and appears to have a slightly longer horizontal range.
*Down tilt has slightly longer horizontal range, and noticeably less ending lag.
*Sweetspotted dash attack deals slightly more damage than in Brawl. It also appears to have strengthened somewhat.
*Farore's Wind has a lot of power now.
Nerfs:
*Nayru's Love is weaker.
*Forward tilt no longer has its combo potential.
*Up tilt had had its power cut in half.
*Down throw is weaker.
*Dash attack is weaker.
Other Changes:
*Zelda seems to have gotten a new air dodge animation. She now does a pose similar to Zero Suit Samus's air dodge's pose.
*Zelda has a new sidestep pose. It now resembles Peach's.
*Forward tilt has new visual effects to match its slash effect.
Zero Suit Samus:
Buffs:
*She wears jet boots, which visibly flare during her kicking attacks, which has been stated to buff the power of such attacks.
*Her whip appears to have a slightly longer range.
*Zero Suit Samus appears to have a new grab aerial, where she fires her Plasma Whip forward. It appears to have long horizontal range and no landing lag.
*Zero Suit Samus appears to have a new up special, where she performs a dive kick that goes upwards. When used on opponents she performs a powerful upward kick, then a spin kick to send them flying.
*Zero Suit Samus has a new Final Smash involving her jumping into her Gunship and firing from the front of the screen, similar to Snake's Final Smash in Brawl.
*Her down throw appears to have been sped up.
*Back throw deals slightly more damage.
*Flip Jump can now bury opponents.
*Dash attack is stronger.
*Down smash is faster.
Nerfs:
*Dash attack has less range.
*Her down smash appears to have less hitstun. It also deals less damage, now dealing 8% uncharged as opposed to 11%, seemingly weakening its utility.
*Up aerial, back aerial, and Plasma Whip deal less damage.
Other Changes:
*Zero Suit Samus fires Paralyzer in an altered pose.
*Zero Suit Samus has a new forward smash, which is now a double kick forward.
*Flip Jump now produces an afterimage graphical effect.
*Dash attack has new animation.
yoshiking14x
Retired
Wario third jump being Rabbit Wario, his rabbit ears hit anyone who gets close to.
I was going to say that Yoshi was going to hit opponents with his tongue but that would confuse the players with the swallowing.
I was going to say that Yoshi was going to hit opponents with his tongue but that would confuse the players with the swallowing.