Debate remaining veterans

[GalacticPetey]

The fact is that Generation 1 is the most popular generation and it is the one with the most iconic pokemon. That's why it gets so much love in Smash.

 

[3D Player 2004]

In my opinion, it would make sense for Pokemon to have six characters, seeing as how you can have a team of six pokemon. We have four right now. The fifth should definitely be Jigglypuff. As for number six, only Mewtwo deserves that spot.

Then we should have 7 Pokemon because Sceptile deserves a slot and it wouldn't make any sense to exclude him. Mewtwo won't be getting in over Sceptile. Also Generation 1 is repped perfectly fine right now. Adding Jigglypuff or Mewtwo will mess it up. One of my biggest complaints with the Pokemon lineup with Melee/Brawl was too much Gen 1.

In Melee, that's because there was only two generations back then. Also, Mewtwo is way more popular than Sceptile, and for good reason. He will get in over Sceptile.

No he won't. Ivysaur got in over Mewtwo in Brawl. Sceptile would be a very good choice. It would promote OR/AS. It would also complete the starter triangle. I really cringe whenever a popular character gets in only because it is popular.

 

[Magikrazy]

Ivysaur did not get in over Mewtwo.

Ivysaur was in Brawl, Mewtwo was not.

And that was because of time constraints, not because they decided Ivysaur was better.

 

[GalacticPetey]

If they had more time, Mewtwo would have definitely been in the game. No one replaced him.

 

[MoonAge]

In my opinion, it would make sense for Pokemon to have six characters, seeing as how you can have a team of six pokemon. We have four right now. The fifth should definitely be Jigglypuff. As for number six, only Mewtwo deserves that spot.

Then we should have 7 Pokemon because Sceptile deserves a slot and it wouldn't make any sense to exclude him. Mewtwo won't be getting in over Sceptile. Also Generation 1 is repped perfectly fine right now. Adding Jigglypuff or Mewtwo will mess it up. One of my biggest complaints with the Pokemon lineup with Melee/Brawl was too much Gen 1.

In Melee, that's because there was only two generations back then. Also, Mewtwo is way more popular than Sceptile, and for good reason. He will get in over Sceptile.

No he won't. Ivysaur got in over Mewtwo in Brawl. Sceptile would be a very good choice. It would promote OR/AS. It would also complete the starter triangle. I really cringe whenever a popular character gets in only because it is popular.

You cringe because of that?

...You need help.

 

[marioman1213]

In my opinion, it would make sense for Pokemon to have six characters, seeing as how you can have a team of six pokemon. We have four right now. The fifth should definitely be Jigglypuff. As for number six, only Mewtwo deserves that spot.

Then we should have 7 Pokemon because Sceptile deserves a slot and it wouldn't make any sense to exclude him. Mewtwo won't be getting in over Sceptile. Also Generation 1 is repped perfectly fine right now. Adding Jigglypuff or Mewtwo will mess it up. One of my biggest complaints with the Pokemon lineup with Melee/Brawl was too much Gen 1.

In Melee, that's because there was only two generations back then. Also, Mewtwo is way more popular than Sceptile, and for good reason. He will get in over Sceptile.

No he won't. Ivysaur got in over Mewtwo in Brawl. Sceptile would be a very good choice. It would promote OR/AS. It would also complete the starter triangle. I really cringe whenever a popular character gets in only because it is popular.

Are you oblivious?

Mewtwo is a Pokémon genetically made for combat.
It has two Mega Evolutions in X&Y, making for perfect Final Smashes.
He is the only Pokémon to use Psystrike.

And yet you think he'll only get in due to popularity?

 

[3D Player 2004]

In my opinion, it would make sense for Pokemon to have six characters, seeing as how you can have a team of six pokemon. We have four right now. The fifth should definitely be Jigglypuff. As for number six, only Mewtwo deserves that spot.

Then we should have 7 Pokemon because Sceptile deserves a slot and it wouldn't make any sense to exclude him. Mewtwo won't be getting in over Sceptile. Also Generation 1 is repped perfectly fine right now. Adding Jigglypuff or Mewtwo will mess it up. One of my biggest complaints with the Pokemon lineup with Melee/Brawl was too much Gen 1.

In Melee, that's because there was only two generations back then. Also, Mewtwo is way more popular than Sceptile, and for good reason. He will get in over Sceptile.

No he won't. Ivysaur got in over Mewtwo in Brawl. Sceptile would be a very good choice. It would promote OR/AS. It would also complete the starter triangle. I really cringe whenever a popular character gets in only because it is popular.

Are you oblivious?

Mewtwo is a Pokémon genetically made for combat.
It has two Mega Evolutions in X&Y, making for perfect Final Smashes.
He is the only Pokémon to use Psystrike.

And yet you think he'll only get in due to popularity?

Every Pokemon rep not named Pikachu should be cut from one installment to the next to make room for newer more relevant Pokemon.

 

[MoonAge]

Are you serious

 

[Smashley]

[quote author=GalacticPetey]After Ridley, Mewtwo is the most requested Smash character.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure Mewtwo beats even Ridley.

Also how likely I think every veteran is, with 99% being a near guarantee and 0% meaning no chance:

Ness 99%
Ice Climbers 99%
Mr. Game & Watch 99%
Ganondorf 99%
Wario 99%
Meta Knight 99%
Falco 95%
Jigglypuff 90%
R.O.B. 90%
Mewtwo 80%
Wolf 80%
Lucas 50%
Snake 30%
Ivysaur, Squirtle, and Melee veterans besides Mewtwo: 1%-0%

Roy used to be higher but now that we have four FE characters we're not likely to get anymore.

 

[GalacticPetey]

[quote author=GalacticPetey]After Ridley, Mewtwo is the most requested Smash character.

I'm pretty sure Mewtwo beats even Ridley.
[/quote]
*shrug* Maybe I'm just biased. But there's no doubt Ridley and Mewtwo are the most wanted (or at least have the most vocal fanbases).

 

[Vommack]

In my opinion, it would make sense for Pokemon to have six characters, seeing as how you can have a team of six pokemon. We have four right now. The fifth should definitely be Jigglypuff. As for number six, only Mewtwo deserves that spot.

Then we should have 7 Pokemon because Sceptile deserves a slot and it wouldn't make any sense to exclude him. Mewtwo won't be getting in over Sceptile. Also Generation 1 is repped perfectly fine right now. Adding Jigglypuff or Mewtwo will mess it up. One of my biggest complaints with the Pokemon lineup with Melee/Brawl was too much Gen 1.

You can not shut up over Sceptile right now, can you?

Oh, you haven't met 3D Player, right? He spends all his time lurking around the Smash board obsessing over Daisy and Sceptile and acting like they're 99% chance to get in SSB4 even though they're obviously not happening.

 

[Yoshi K]

Every Pokemon rep not named Pikachu should be cut from one installment to the next to make room for newer more relevant Pokemon.

 

[Specific Neptune]

incredibly biased, but eh, why the hell not

Spoiler: list of unconfirmed veterans

Ness - nah, that series is dying out, toss them off

Jigglypuff - too many pokemon, big no

Ice Climbers - when was the last game these guys appeared in? 199shit? get out.

Mewtwo - too many pokemon, big no

Mr. Game & Watch - he's famous, big yes

Dr. Mario - mario recolour, boot him

Ganondorf - famous and big hand in kicking off the zelda franchfries, here's a keeper

Falco - gotta be sexy, keeps

Young Link - link recolour, boots ahoy

Pichu - the fuck is this? fuck off

Roy - too many fes, boot

Wario - why the fuck not? keeps

Meta Knight - essential to kirby franchfries, keeps

Lucas - boot, see ness

Ivysaur - boot, see the other damn pokemon

Squirtle - boot, see above

R.O.B. - keeps, see mr gaymanwatch

Wolf - keeps, see falco

Snake - keeps, mgsV

there's an ample amount of characters to stick back in, so let's do this

 

[3D Player 2004]

incredibly biased, but eh, why the hell not

Spoiler: list of unconfirmed veterans

Ness - nah, that series is dying out, toss them off

Jigglypuff - too many pokemon, big no

Ice Climbers - when was the last game these guys appeared in? 199*bleep*? get out.

Mewtwo - too many pokemon, big no

Mr. Game & Watch - he's famous, big yes

Dr. Mario - mario recolour, boot him

Ganondorf - famous and big hand in kicking off the zelda franchfries, here's a keeper

Falco - gotta be sexy, keeps

Young Link - link recolour, boots ahoy

Pichu - the *bleep* is this? *bleep* off

Roy - too many fes, boot

Wario - why the *bleep* not? keeps

Meta Knight - essential to kirby franchfries, keeps

Lucas - boot, see ness

Ivysaur - boot, see the other dang pokemon

Squirtle - boot, see above

R.O.B. - keeps, see mr gaymanwatch

Wolf - keeps, see falco

Snake - keeps, mgsV

there's an ample amount of characters to stick back in, so let's do this

Honestly, not a single character you said you wanted cut I would care about.

 

[Magikrazy]

Can I have some Zelda French Fries?

 

[Specific Neptune]

incredibly biased, but eh, why the hell not

Spoiler: list of unconfirmed veterans

Ness - nah, that series is dying out, toss them off

Jigglypuff - too many pokemon, big no

Ice Climbers - when was the last game these guys appeared in? 199*bleep*? get out.

Mewtwo - too many pokemon, big no

Mr. Game & Watch - he's famous, big yes

Dr. Mario - mario recolour, boot him

Ganondorf - famous and big hand in kicking off the zelda franchfries, here's a keeper

Falco - gotta be sexy, keeps

Young Link - link recolour, boots ahoy

Pichu - the *bleep* is this? *bleep* off

Roy - too many fes, boot

Wario - why the *bleep* not? keeps

Meta Knight - essential to kirby franchfries, keeps

Lucas - boot, see ness

Ivysaur - boot, see the other dang pokemon

Squirtle - boot, see above

R.O.B. - keeps, see mr gaymanwatch

Wolf - keeps, see falco

Snake - keeps, mgsV

there's an ample amount of characters to stick back in, so let's do this

Honestly, not a single character you said you wanted cut I would care about.

would anybody really care?

Can I have some Zelda French Fries?

yessir

 

[GalacticPetey]

I find it funny that you say Ness and Lucas should get the boot because their series is dead yet Captain Falcon was in the exact same situation and he's in.

 

[Smashley]

would anybody really care?

Ice Climbers are in my top three most used and getting rid of Mother completely is a terrible idea so yeah I'd care.

 

[Specific Neptune]

I find it funny that you say Ness and Lucas should get the boot because their series is dead yet Captain Falcon was in the exact same situation and he's in.

falcon's more iconic

would anybody really care?

Ice Climbers are in my top three most used and getting rid of Mother completely is a terrible idea so yeah I'd care.

looks like you're anybody

hi anybody

 

[GalacticPetey]

Ness is just as iconic IMO. I disagree with most of your cuts. I see no reason to cut Ness, Jigglypuff or Ice Climbers.

 

[3D Player 2004]

Spoiler: list of unconfirmed veterans and my opinion of them

Ness keep, he has a good fun unique moveset.
Jigglypuff 6 Pokemon is too many and we need to complete the starter trio.
Ice Climbers not relevant anymore.
Mewtwo Jigglypuff
Mr. Game & Watch Ice Climbers
Dr. Mario needs no explanation.
Ganondorf Zeldas bad guy but he could use a new moveset.
Falco we need these Birds.
Young Link we already have 2 links.
Pichu needs no explanation.
Roy we already have too many Fire Emblem guys though he should have gotten in over Robin.
Wario important character.
Meta Knight important to a big franchise.
Lucas one PSI kid is enough and unlocalized game.
Ivysaur Jigglypuff
Squirtle Jigglypuff
R.O.B. Ice Climbers
Wolf we need these birds.
Snake not a good character.

 

[Vommack]

What is it with you and modifying people's posts, can't you make your own spoiler?

 

[Specific Neptune]

Ness is just as iconic IMO. I disagree with most of your cuts. I see no reason to cut Ness, Jigglypuff or Ice Climbers.

there's enough pokemon already, i don't see why we need more

maybe ness would have a chance, but the series is almost out, so i wouldn't see lucas sticking around in the game

ice climbers had like one game, and that's it, i'm not really sure anybody would remember them if it wasn't for their appearance in the ssb series

like i said my list is incredibly biased

 

[GalacticPetey]

Spoiler: list of unconfirmed veterans

Ness keep, he has a good fun unique moveset.
Jigglypuff 6 Pokemon is too many and we need to complete the starter trio.
Ice Climbers not relevant anymore.
Mewtwo Jigglypuff
Mr. Game & Watch Ice Climbers
Dr. Mario needs no explanation.
Ganondorf Zeldas bad guy but he could use a new moveset.
Falco we need these Birds.
Young Link we already have 2 links.
Pichu needs no explanation.
Roy we already have too many Fire Emblem guys though he should have gotten in over Robin.
Wario important character.
Meta Knight important to a big franchise.
Lucas one PSI kid is enough and unlocalized game.
Ivysaur Jigglypuff
Squirtle Jigglypuff
R.O.B. Ice Climbers
Wolf we need these birds.
Snake not a good character.

changed to reflect my opinion.

You say to keep Ness because he has a fun and unique moveset.

Yet you say cut Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers, R.O.B. and Mr. Game and Watch, despite them having fun and unique movesets.

Ness is just as iconic IMO. I disagree with most of your cuts. I see no reason to cut Ness, Jigglypuff or Ice Climbers.

there's enough pokemon already, i don't see why we need more

maybe ness would have a chance, but the series is almost out, so i wouldn't see lucas sticking around in the game

ice climbers had like one game, and that's it, i'm not really sure anybody would remember them if it wasn't for their appearance in the ssb series

like i said my list is incredibly biased

We have four Pokemon currently and we had six in Brawl. Jigglypuff and Mewtwo easily fill those last two spots.

Relevancy has never mattered. The Ice Climbers are fun and unique, no need to cut them.

 

[Specific Neptune]

Ness is just as iconic IMO. I disagree with most of your cuts. I see no reason to cut Ness, Jigglypuff or Ice Climbers.

there's enough pokemon already, i don't see why we need more

maybe ness would have a chance, but the series is almost out, so i wouldn't see lucas sticking around in the game

ice climbers had like one game, and that's it, i'm not really sure anybody would remember them if it wasn't for their appearance in the ssb series

like i said my list is incredibly biased

We have four Pokemon currently and we had six in Brawl. Jigglypuff and Mewtwo easily fill those last two spots.

Relevancy has never mattered. The Ice Climbers are fun and unique, no need to cut them.

if relevancy has never mattered, then why are you debating this with me? surely none of my suggestions have any relevance to the new game?