For everything Bowser

Mcmadness said:
Wendy's face in the SMB3 one just slays me. Somebody should screen cap that.
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Mario Party X said:
Mcmadness, those were hilarious.

This should be like a CinemaSins series. X)
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Wendy's face in the SMB3 one just slays me. Somebody should screen cap that.


Missingno. said:
Why is Peach's hair brown?
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Because her sprite had brown hair.
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But the original show was also based off of SMB2 where Peach's hair is blond, and SMB3 and SMW did too.
 
But Super Mario Bros. 2 Peach sprite also has brown hair...
 
Baby Luigi said:
But Super Mario Bros. 2 Peach sprite also has brown hair...
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I always thought they changed it for SMB2, but they should've at least changed it for the later series or just look at the official artwork.
 
I'm assuming they left it that way as to not confuse viewers who was more familiar with brown-haired Peach in the cartoons than a blonde one.

Another reason they didn't change Bowser's appearance.
 
I was actually more refering to the part where she is standing behind Bowser, her face is incredibly derp looking.
 
Baby Luigi said:
I'm assuming they left it that way as to not confuse viewers who was more familiar with brown-haired Peach in the cartoons than a blonde one.

Another reason they didn't change Bowser's appearance.
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They could had made a different continuity just like Sonic Boom is to AOSTH. But a new Mario series could work better and have Bowser be both threatening and likeable in personality.
 
I used to wonder why Bowser would often take prisoners instead of killing people he captured outright. Well I came to the conclusion that he wants people to toil and suffer under his rule or just live a miserable existence as his prisoners. Or in more morbid cases, trapped in unfortunate circumstances to which they cannot escape, like those toads imprisoned in crystals in galaxy or those yoshi's forcibly shoved into eggs in SMW.
 
Even though he's greedy and selfish, Bowser doesn't want to kill anyone unless they are a threat to his plans. This explains why he didn't hesitate to attack villains like Smithy, Fawful, Dimentio, etc but doesn't actually kill his prisoners. He keeps Mario alive just so he can enjoy a good fight, because he sees Mario as his only true rival. Without Mario, Bowser would likely have no one to fight (save for whatever new villains occasionally come up) and he'd probably start growing bored.

Notice that even when betraying Antasma, Bowser himself didn't kill him, instead leaving Mario and Luigi to do that. This is probably because he would've felt bad about murdering someone who trusted him. He's not a completely heartless monster, you know.
 
Except that we've seen him try to kill Mario on several occasions, hell in Dream Team he tries to use the Dream stone to erase Mario and Luigi without even fighting him. He didn't kill Antasma himself because he thought he was an idiot not worth his time.

The only people he seems to remotely care about are his son and Peach, and even Peach he's had no problem beating up when she got in the way of his schemes.
 
That's because Mario would've potentially ruined his plans. How much you wanna bet if Bowser had actually succeeded and erased Mario from existence, he would've eventually gotten bored and wished him back just to make him a prisoner or something.

I think Bowser doesn't like to actually kill anyone unless he absolutely has to. He has his moments of blind rage, but would likely feel remorse if he actually managed to kill Mario. Hell he could've killed him with the Star Rod in Paper Mario, but instead just tossed him out of the castle.

Say what you will about Super Paper Mario, but Bowser flat out states in that game (when they're in the destroyed Sammer Kingdom) something like "I'm all about being evil, but this is too far," referring to the hundred Sammer Guys who died there.

As for beating up Peach, beating up =/= killing. He wouldn't even kill Mario, his archenemy, so he damn sure wouldn't kill Peach.
 
Please don't try to use SPM to back up your argument. Thats not Bowser, just some idiot who took his name and appearance.

He wouldn't bring Mario back, he despises him. They maybe rivals but he hates him to the point that just seeing him makes him rage.

Also in PM he throws him out a window, while being extremely high up in the air in the atmosphere of the planet. He even says ''might as well get rid of Mario, he's no use to anyone now'' implying that he thought he had killed him and he was just disposing of his body.

And when I said beating up, I meant trying to kill. You don't throw explosives and breath fire on people you aren't trying to kill.

The fact of the matter is that most games generally portray Bowser as a monster. A cold, ruthless monster. He may have comedic moments with his personality but that doesn't change that he is evil. Its no coincidence that when you enter his dreams in DT that it looks like an apocalyptic land with chains, lightning and lava everywhere.
 
Mcmadness said:
Please don't try to use SPM to back up your argument. Thats not Bowser, just some idiot who took his name and appearance.
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This here is just denial, lol. You can't just disregard an entire game because you personally don't care for it.

And the fact that we have differing opinions/headcanons clearly means it's just a matter of the player's interpretation. Why do you think there's not much story in most of the games?
 
When it completely gets the character wrong and doesn't match up with all his other major characterizations even within the context of that series then yes, I can.

Its not even all that uncommon, fans and creators do that all the time.
 
Even within that series? Last time I checked Bowser was extremely similar in personality between SPM and TTYD. There are three Bowsers in the Paper Mario series. The Paper Mario Bowser, who is similar to the portrayal in Dream Team, the TTYD/SPM Bowser, who is more comic relief, and the Sticker Star Bowser, who's more like NSMB Bowser.
 
McMadness, I don't view Bowser as a cruel, heartless person. I view him as a bad, mischievous guy who loves to cause trouble. Even though he likes seeing Mario at his mercy, he probably wouldn't go as far as killing him; he'd rather make Mario miserable instead.

Bowser throws fire breath and explosives at Mario to make Mario lose a life because, well, slapstick comedy and cartoon violence and video game convenience. Mario doesn't really die when he loses a life, he just gets another try.

It's like a bad guy tying a woman to a railroad track; it's too cartoony and over-the-top to think he's a really serious villain.
 
Wittgenstein said:
Even within that series? Last time I checked Bowser was extremely similar in personality between SPM and TTYD. There are three Bowsers in the Paper Mario series. The Paper Mario Bowser, who is similar to the portrayal in Dream Team, the TTYD/SPM Bowser, who is more comic relief, and the Sticker Star Bowser, who's more like NSMB Bowser.
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TTYD Bowser wasn't a complete pushover. He wasn't great but at least he never cried and whined like a baby whenever something went wrong. He got angry and used it to further motivate himself, even if he never actually got anything.


Mario Party X said:
McMadness, I don't view Bowser as a cruel, heartless person. I view him as a bad, mischievous guy who loves to cause trouble. Even though he likes seeing Mario at his mercy, he probably wouldn't go as far as killing him; he'd rather make Mario miserable instead.

Bowser throws fire breath and explosives at Mario to make Mario lose a life because, well, slapstick comedy and cartoon violence and video game convenience. Mario doesn't really die when he loses a life, he just gets another try.

It's like a bad guy tying a woman to a railroad track; it's too cartoony and over-the-top to think he's a really serious villain.
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Thats fine and dandy but I don't buy it. Extra lives are largely a gameplay mechanic. Its not like Super Meat Boy where you'll go to hell and find hundreds of corpses of Mario there from all the lives he lost. If he was like how he was in Mario Party, I'd believe him being a mischievous trouble maker. But the stuff he's done over the years goes far beyond simple mischief making.
 
Mcmadness said:
Thats fine and dandy but I don't buy it. Extra lives are largely a gameplay mechanic. Its not like Super Meat Boy where you'll go to hell and find hundreds of corpses of Mario there from all the lives he lost. If he was like how he was in Mario Party, I'd believe him being a mischievous trouble maker. But the stuff he's done over the years goes far beyond simple mischief making.
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Lives are a gamplay mechanic, but I don't think Mario REALLY dies. He's like the guy from Spelunky, who records his deaths ("I got crushed to a fine paste"; "a cannibal clubbed me to death".)

Stuff like in Galaxy is kind of going into "evil guy" territory, but it's typically more like "Bowser put toilet paper all over Mario's house (mischief) AND set Mario's drawer on fire AND kidnapped the Princess! He barricaded himself inside Peach's Castle and surrounds it in a lava lake! Oh noes! Stop him!"

Most of the "dangerous" things ultimately amounts to cartoon slapstick.
 
Idk, the tone of Galaxy is different in Super Mario 3D World

In Galaxy, Bowser was like this serious bad guy

And 3D World...it just looks like he's up to no good. Especially with his defeat animations, he doesn't look like someone you can take EXTRA seriously
 
I'm not saying he should be taken completely seriously. When I say an evil cruel monster I'm of course talking within the confines of the series. But I just don't think mischief maker is an appropriate title for him. When I think Mario and mischief I think Wario and Waluigi's antics in the sports games.
 
Mcmadness said:
I'm not saying he should be taken completely seriously. When I say an evil cruel monster I'm of course talking within the confines of the series. But I just don't think mischief maker is an appropriate title for him. When I think Mario and mischief I think Wario and Waluigi's antics in the sports games.
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On the contrary, I think mischievous villain guy suits him. 3D World is the best example. Just everything about him is over-the-top in the cartoon villain aspect.
 
I don't see invading a foreign land and imprisoning its rulers as mere mischief, even if its somewhat goofy in presentation.
 
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