Same sex marriage

Uncle Deadly said:
Javelin said:
so how do you explain stuff like "i am the way and the truth and the light; no one comes to the father except through me"
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My views on Christianity are probably different from others. To me that quote says that Jesus decides who gets in, so if you live a moral life in his eyes then you get in, and I don't see how being gay is immoral in the eyes of a person who taught others that they should love and accept.
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you can believe that but jesus is basically the only way

people want to believe its only morals because they dont want to surrender to the ways of jesus
 
That's why I said through his eyes, if Jesus views you as moral then you'll get in.
 
Uncle Deadly said:
That's why I said through his eyes, if Jesus views you as moral then you'll get in.
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But you can only do that if you surrender to him.

I guess being born again can be seen as that but people think being morally good alone will save them.
 
I'm fairly certain it does, seeing as Jesus died for our sins and forgave everyone. So as long as you don't majorly fuck that up all should be good.
 
Uncle Deadly said:
I'm fairly certain it does, seeing as Jesus died for our sins and forgave everyone. So as long as you don't majorly fuck that up all should be good.
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But it says in the bible that the only way you can be saved is surrendering to jesus and thats the only way you can be saved

therefor cancelling that out completely

wtf why are we talking about this in a same sex marriage thread
 
Religion got brought up because some people try using it as an excuse to justify not making it legal, which is pretty ridiculous.
 
Surely in a country with freedom of religion no particular religion should have such a large influence on the law.
 
it's an indirect influence due to democracy, really. when you have lots of christian voters in a democracy it's entirely possible to have many laws reflect that, even if the religion isn't itself the basis of the government

that being said, general public opinion has been shifting in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage for a while now, so democracy's going to take its course and get rid of the laws soon enough
 
Magikrazy said:
Puddin said:
separation of church and state
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the constitution just states that the federal government cant establish an official religion
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Yeah but "separation of church and state" is a quote from one of the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) so I think it's a valid interpretation of the intention of the law.
 
Puddink said:
Magikrazy said:
Puddin said:
separation of church and state
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the constitution just states that the federal government cant establish an official religion
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Yeah but "separation of church and state" is a quote from one of the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) so I think it's a valid interpretation of the intention of the law.
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not just thomas jefferson, other founding fathers used it to and the supreme court has ruled that the clause in the constitution that prohibits a national religion was intended to to erect a wall that separated church and state

of course, this is the same country that has people sworn in to office on fucking bibles lmao
 
there's a theoretical separation of church and state but has that ever really been upheld

i only know a little bit of american history but as far as i can tell america hasn't actually held up a lot of its own laws
 
it's true though

i'm a poli sci major, i'm required to know all this stuff

as long as governments remain run by humans they will continue to be imperfect due to human imperfection

besides, imperfect enforcement of laws can be a good thing. ever seen any of those "stupid laws" lists? the reason they're not a big deal is that no one actually enforces those laws
 
im anti-government, but im not an anarchist, i just feel that government, as it currently is, is not for the people at all.

this has nothing to do with same sex marriage, of course
 
Javelin said:
Aiko Heiwa said:
im anti-government, but im not an anarchist
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so you're anti THIS government but not other governments

what type of government would you prefer
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im a strong supporter of democracy, as i feel that for socialism to work, it must work with democracy, but i am strongly against things like the nsa and the erosion of our freedoms in the name of "security"

so i guess a liberal democracy without all the bullshit like spying on their own citizens, corporations not having a say in the government, no military industrial complex, and no entrenched racism like currently exists in the usa.
 
that's an interesting take on the state of the united states, lol

any idea how you'd accomplish any of this with a new government?
 
Javelin said:
any idea how you'd accomplish any of this with a new government?
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no, but it's an ideal

besides i have plenty of complaints about the state of the usa (both regarding politics and the general culture)

but (to get back on the topic) fuck any person that thinks other people deserve less rights than them because of who they want to marry. i don't care what your justification is, you are literally scum
 
The concept of majority rule, minority rights applies to same-sex marriage.

Technically, same-sex marriages might might affect something due to the legal recognition and the taxes work from marriage.

Nabber said:
there's a theoretical separation of church and state but has that ever really been upheld

i only know a little bit of american history but as far as i can tell america hasn't actually held up a lot of its own laws
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Oh, it's there, the separation of church and state, but the clear distinction is, unfortunately, more muddled than I like it to be.
 
Aiko Heiwa said:
Puddink said:
Magikrazy said:
Puddin said:
separation of church and state
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the constitution just states that the federal government cant establish an official religion
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Yeah but "separation of church and state" is a quote from one of the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) so I think it's a valid interpretation of the intention of the law.
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not just thomas jefferson, other founding fathers used it to and the supreme court has ruled that the clause in the constitution that prohibits a national religion was intended to to erect a wall that separated church and state

of course, this is the same country that has people sworn in to office on fucking bibles lmao
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Interesting enough that's not actually a requirement it's just most presidents chose to be sworn in on a bible
 
Catholics are Christian though......................

I think you meant "Protestant". Details, though.
 
Toy Chica said:
despite no religious test being required for public office (as said in the constitution) all the presidents have been christian except one...who was catholic

in that regard we may be a ways away from the separation of church and state
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I don't think that just because they are christian that it means that there can't be separation of church and state, or that a president couldn't be of another religion (though media likes to sensationalize whatever they can about anyone and twist things to make people see the presidency based more on their background more than what they want to do in office or how they plan to make the country better). The President is one guy, and is not the only one that has powers to affect things like separation of church and state. A lot of the laws dealing with that have been done through the judicial system and court cases.
 
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