Glitchy Bowser Jr.
"Stuff it, sponge brain!"
Borp said:
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Are newer characters not wanted in spinoffs?
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Glitchy Bowser Jr.
"Stuff it, sponge brain!"
It's quite obvious Birdo identifies as female
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Yes.
Nintendo does have quite the knack of placing unnecessary characters in spinoffs, new or old. Super Mario 3D World was only about 2 years old, as of the release of Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash. 3D World is still new to an extent and Nintendo did include a Sprixie Princess in Ultra Smash. While completely unnecessary, the Sprixies were still new and have only appeared in 3 games.
Well, I don't see why new and apparently unnecessary characters must not reappear. Bowser Jr. was playable a year after Super Mario Sunshine in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour and might have been deemed unnecessary since there were already 7 other Bowser's children who weren't almost copycat of Baby Bowser. Yet I don't think it was a bad idea in the grand scheme of things. Over the years, Bowser Jr. has become an interesting character, as Paper Jam showed us.The Golden Yoshi said:
P.S.: I was ninja'd by Magikrazy...
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Baby Luigi said:
Pretty much this. And now all of the Birdo fans are coming out of the woodworks to complain about it.
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I'm going to side with Raigh here. I think you're confusing Birdo with Vivian. Birdo was just later exclusively referred to as her identified gender: female, which is more politically correct.
And speaking of Vivian, in NoA's defense, American society's view on the transgender community was much, much different in 2004 compared to 2015. If the game gets remade, I'm 90% sure they'll uncensor it.
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it's outright stated in the Super Mario Bros. 2 booklet that she prefers to be called "Birdetta"
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No, both are censored. Birdo would probably still end up getting censored today, because we still live with bigoted idiots who think children shouldn't be exposed to a perfectly natural condition.
I do wish they would use the name more (or at least a name at all, like Cathy or Shelly) so the Birdo species can return without more confusion. Because for real, when was the last time we saw a Birdo that wasn't the pink and possibly transgendered one with the engagement ring for some reason.Crocodile Dippy said:Borp said:
it's outright stated in the Super Mario Bros. 2 booklet that she prefers to be called "Birdetta"
Nintendo is not exactly the most progressive company around, and I don't know if they've gotten any better with their treatment of trans issues. Birdetta's depiction in Captain Rainbow is one of the most deplorable treatments of a trans character I have ever seen, even worse than Grand Theft Auto.
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Crocodile Dippy said:
This is the same company that got rid of homosexual marriage in Tomodachi Life. I doubt they've gotten better with their treatment of transgenderd people.
She's given a deep, booming voice for one, but is the centre of a horrid mission where she gets arrested for using female toilets and begs you to find proof that she's female... in the form of a censored vibrator. It's utterly putrid.
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I think Yoshi is technically transgender (though I couldn't say if it's a good portrayal or not) since his Japanese Melee trophy says the whole race is biologically genderless, but in Brawl Otacon implies that the Yoshi we see most often identifies as male. Maybe that's a factor in his and Birdo's friendship maybe I'm making connections where there weren't supposed to be any I don't know.
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It makes much more sense if Yoshi was biologically female, but if it was biologically male, then it wouldn't throw out my calcified and spray-painted excrement explanation. But either way, you don't make eggs right after you eat something just as much as women don't ovulate and get menstrual cycles after every dinner. But you DO have to end up going to to the toilet eventually after dinner, so there's that.
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Kind of a late response to this, but I'm going to say anyway.
Today, it's improved, but we still have a lot of insensitive comments such as Borp's comment. I don't think Borp has intended to be disrespectful, but has displayed ignorance in the subject, and that's what's going to happen if you're going to censor sensitive issues. I still think transgenderism is going to remain censored just as how gay marriage was in Tomodachi Life. I also think Brawl's depiction of Birdo is pretty nasty, which just looks like gross ignorance as well.
I say "censored" because the issue is dodged a lot of times instead of straight-up addressing it, which leads to confusion to an already-uneducated public about transgenderism. A lot of people think Birdo is a cisgender female in the Birdo debate only because she dresses as a feminine character; no mention of her gender identification (I was in that camp previously because I myself was uneducated; now I say Birdo is female because she identifies herself as one, and learning about transgenderism more, we should respect that choice even if it's "just" a video game character). The Birdo gender jokes used to be funny to me, but now, not so much anymore.YoshiCookie said:
Today, it's improved, but we still have a lot of insensitive comments such as Borp's comment. I don't think Borp has intended to be disrespectful, but has displayed ignorance in the subject, and that's what's going to happen if you're going to censor sensitive issues. I still think transgenderism is going to remain censored just as how gay marriage was in Tomodachi Life. I also think Brawl's depiction of Birdo is pretty nasty, which just looks like gross ignorance as well.
Sure, I support that.Mcmadness said:
