Who are you voting for (or would vote for if you could)?

[Magikrazy]

1. I'm not sure what you mean by "atheist homophobes."

By "atheist homophobe" he means a person who is both atheist (doesnt believe in god) and a homophobe (hates gays).

 

[Random Blue]

I'm not homosexual so cannot guarantee the validity of this statement, but I think people don't choose to be gay. Why single people out for something they didn't choose to be anyway?

this though

the way i see it nobody would choose to be something that would make it discriminated against or seen as unnatural and wrong or treated as a joke or accessory unless you were being really really edgy or something

 

[Kerrigan]

For the record, the Bible also opposes divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; so if someone marries an abusive spouse, divorcing them will permanently taint them), boys who disobey their parents (Deuteronomy 21:18, calling for the death penalty), girls who are raped within the city (Deuteronomy 22:23-25, also calling for the death penalty), cursing your parents (Exodus 31:15, also calling for the death penalty), and a wife grabbing the genitals of someone beating up her husband (Deuteronomy 25:11-12), among other things.

I mean, you're free to believe what you want, as I said previously, but I have a question: are you following the entirety of the Bible?

Yes I am.

 

[Duskull]

I'm not homosexual so cannot guarantee the validity of this statement, but I think people don't choose to be gay. Why single people out for something they didn't choose to be anyway?

this though

the way i see it nobody would choose to be something that would make it discriminated against or seen as unnatural and wrong or treated as a joke or accessory unless you were being really really edgy or something

Of course they wouldn't. No one wakes up one day and goes, I would like to be discriminated against today. And plus, in places like Saudi Arabia or Uganda where it's punishable by jail and or death, why would anyone pick that?

Also, for the record, I'm a bisexual Christian who supports full gay rights.

 

[Nysic]

For the record, the Bible also opposes divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; so if someone marries an abusive spouse, divorcing them will permanently taint them), boys who disobey their parents (Deuteronomy 21:18, calling for the death penalty), girls who are raped within the city (Deuteronomy 22:23-25, also calling for the death penalty), cursing your parents (Exodus 31:15, also calling for the death penalty), and a wife grabbing the genitals of someone beating up her husband (Deuteronomy 25:11-12), among other things.

I mean, you're free to believe what you want, as I said previously, but I have a question: are you following the entirety of the Bible?

Yes I am.

 

[Ray Trace]

As for the rest of that post, creation hasn't actually been disproved. If anything, evolution has.

Science doesn't operate on black and white thinking, it operates on varying percentages and confidences based on how much we understand. It's not "take a wild guess", it's operated on multiple tests of hypotheses drawn from educated interpretations and conclusions.

I fail to see how evolution, with its tons of mounting evidence and how it's accepted by all major scientific institutions, not to mention passing peer review, has been disproved while creation remains something that can't be tested and therefore can't be falsified, and all of its roots it has is religious dogma stemming from imaginations of human beings rather than critically thinking about it.

 

[Time Turner]

For the record, the Bible also opposes divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; so if someone marries an abusive spouse, divorcing them will permanently taint them), boys who disobey their parents (Deuteronomy 21:18, calling for the death penalty), girls who are raped within the city (Deuteronomy 22:23-25, also calling for the death penalty), cursing your parents (Exodus 31:15, also calling for the death penalty), and a wife grabbing the genitals of someone beating up her husband (Deuteronomy 25:11-12), among other things.

I mean, you're free to believe what you want, as I said previously, but I have a question: are you following the entirety of the Bible?

Yes I am.

To clarify, if you argued with your parents, you'd be stoned to death. If a girl is raped and doesn't call out for help, she'd be stoned to death. Do you agree with this?

 

[Snack]

Yes I am.

what about the shrimp parts or the ones about clothes made of multiple kinds of threads

those are also abominations

 

[Magikrazy]

For the record, the Bible also opposes divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; so if someone marries an abusive spouse, divorcing them will permanently taint them), boys who disobey their parents (Deuteronomy 21:18, calling for the death penalty), girls who are raped within the city (Deuteronomy 22:23-25, also calling for the death penalty), cursing your parents (Exodus 31:15, also calling for the death penalty), and a wife grabbing the genitals of someone beating up her husband (Deuteronomy 25:11-12), among other things.

I mean, you're free to believe what you want, as I said previously, but I have a question: are you following the entirety of the Bible?

Yes I am.

To clarify, if you argued with your parents, you'd be stoned to death. If a girl is raped and doesn't call out for help, she'd be stoned to death. Do you agree with this?

You spelled it out to him and he agreed with it. I think it's pretty clear what he thinks.

 

[Keqing]

It's not that we Christians hate gay people, it's that we hate homosexuality. I think you're misunderstanding it there.

im christian and i dont hate them.

i personally think the bible is pretty outdated for contemporary times, because there are things like homosexuality, wearing jewelry, eating fish, divorce, etc. that happen around the world and is seen as a common occurrence.


on topic, id vote for bernie if i could. i love that guy, i dont care if hes a socialist, hes going to change america for the better more than any of the other candidates.

edit: theres been like 20000 edit conflicts but im posting this anyway so sorry if i repeat myself

 

[Red Barchetta]

I'm going to reply to the OP and the topic to throw my two cents in and whatnot. I've grown up as a Republican in a GOP-sided household but I think my views have become a little 50/50 as I've grown older - more-so economically right, and socially left, I think. I consider myself at this point independent and a lot more interested in voting for a candidate rather than voting for a party.

That being said, it's kind of really tough this election. I genuinely am terrified of Donald Trump and find him to be a laughingstock of nothing more than the same rehearsed nonsensical, angry, basic statements each and every time. I'm not very big on Ted Cruz's stances and positions at all and he's a little too far right for my liking at all. Hilary Clinton is a strange enigma but I'm not very big on her positions either along with the controversies that have surrounded her the last few months and years.

Bernie Sanders isn't legitimately bad, and I think he genuinely has very good intentions in what he wants to do. I feel the same way with John Kasich, to be honest. I thoroughly liked Kasich when he entered the race and got the first taste of him during the first debate. He seems a little more agreeable and not as anger-hungry. I don't know what he's been like in Ohio the last few years but he just seems to be the lesser of evils, along with Bernie. It's the problem that I don't think there is any legitimate chance for either one to win the nomination for their parties.

If it comes down to Trump/Cruz on the GOP and Clinton for the Dems, I'd probably vote for whoever the frick comes out of the Libertarian race, assuming it's probably Gary Johnson.

post conflicted 8 posts jesus christ guys

post conflicted another time nnnnnnnnnngh

 

[Snack]

i personally think the bible is pretty outdated for contemporary times, because there are things like homosexuality, wearing jewelry, eating fish, divorce, etc. that happen around the world and is seen as a common occurrence.

nah, fish is ok, it's shellfish and stuff you've gotta watch out for I think

 

[Kerrigan]

I'm not homosexual so cannot guarantee the validity of this statement, but I think people don't choose to be gay. Why single people out for something they didn't choose to be anyway?

this though

the way i see it nobody would choose to be something that would make it discriminated against or seen as unnatural and wrong or treated as a joke or accessory unless you were being really really edgy or something

Homosexuality is not a disease. It's a choice. You don't wake up and say "Oh no, my homosexuality gene is kicking in" because that makes no sense.

As for the rest of that post, creation hasn't actually been disproved. If anything, evolution has.

Science doesn't operate on black and white thinking, it operates on varying percentages and confidences based on how much we understand. It's not "take a wild guess", it's operated on multiple tests of hypotheses drawn from educated interpretations and conclusions.

I fail to see how evolution, with its tons of mounting evidence and how it's accepted by all major scientific institutions, not to mention passing peer review, has been disproved while creation remains something that can't be tested and therefore can't be falsified, and all of its roots it has is religious dogma stemming from imaginations of human beings rather than critically thinking about it.

You're forgetting the evidence like the upside down layers in Switzerland. If evolution were true. it shouldn't be that way, right?

For the record, the Bible also opposes divorce (Matthew 5:31-32; so if someone marries an abusive spouse, divorcing them will permanently taint them), boys who disobey their parents (Deuteronomy 21:18, calling for the death penalty), girls who are raped within the city (Deuteronomy 22:23-25, also calling for the death penalty), cursing your parents (Exodus 31:15, also calling for the death penalty), and a wife grabbing the genitals of someone beating up her husband (Deuteronomy 25:11-12), among other things.

I mean, you're free to believe what you want, as I said previously, but I have a question: are you following the entirety of the Bible?

Yes I am.

To clarify, if you argued with your parents, you'd be stoned to death. If a girl is raped and doesn't call out for help, she'd be stoned to death. Do you agree with this?

Remember, this was thousands of years ago, so that's pretty outdated.

Yes I am.

what about the shrimp parts or the ones about clothes made of multiple kinds of threads

those are also abominations

Those ones are also outdated.

The thing to remember is that the Bible was addressed to the Jews; I'm not a Jew.

And now, after 7 post conflicts...

E: I'm going to bed unreasonably early so save all your questions for tomorrow, ok?

 

[Time Turner]

What makes those outdated and not the other stuff?

 

[Keqing]

i personally think the bible is pretty outdated for contemporary times, because there are things like homosexuality, wearing jewelry, eating fish, divorce, etc. that happen around the world and is seen as a common occurrence.

nah, fish is ok, it's shellfish and stuff you've gotta watch out for I think

oh ok, well im not gonna lie i havent read the bible and dont plan to anytime soon but these are things ive heard and i think are ridiculous that people in the 21st century are still following these old and tired customs

 

[Snack]

Homosexuality is not a disease. It's a choice. You don't wake up and say "Oh no, my homosexuality gene is kicking in" because that makes no sense.

He didn't say anything about disease even

Homosexuality is not a disease. It's a choice. You don't wake up and say "Oh no, my homosexuality gene is kicking in" because that makes no sense.Those ones are also outdated.

The thing to remember is that the Bible was addressed to the Jews; I'm not a Jew.

And now, after 7 post conflicts...

What makes them more outdated than other parts?

also doesn't that mean it's ok to be gay so long as you aren't jewish

 

[Duskull]

On topic, I'm probably a Democrat going by the American political system, but I don't really know much about their candidates to make an informed decision between either of them.

Homosexuality is not a disease. It's a choice. You don't wake up and say "Oh no, my homosexuality gene is kicking in" because that makes no sense.

I agree that homosexuality is not a disease. But to use your argument, you don't wake up and go "I'm gay today." My coming out process was not an immediate, I am now bi, I am no longer straight, it was a result of months of infighting with myself trying to realise who exactly I was, I nearly lost a good friend because of it, as I developed a crush on them. If I could have made a choice, I wouldn't have chosen to risk that friendship. Tbh, looking back on my life, I was bi as soon as I understood the differences between gender.

And also, per my previous arguments on homosexuality being a choice. No chooses to be discriminated against, especially in cultures where it's punishable by prison or death.

 

[Nabber]

Homosexuality is not a disease. It's a choice. You don't wake up and say "Oh no, my homosexuality gene is kicking in" because that makes no sense.

Roy, I have a question. What's your favorite food? Did you suddenly decide one day that you liked it, because your genes kicked in? Or did you make a conscious choice to like it?

You're forgetting the evidence like the upside down layers in Switzerland. If evolution were true. it shouldn't be that way, right?

i genuinely have no idea what you're referring to

Remember, this was thousands of years ago, so that's pretty outdated.

but i mean, god said it, so... what makes it outdated but not homosexuality?

The thing to remember is that the Bible was addressed to the Jews; I'm not a Jew.

The Old Testament is addressed to the Jews. The New Testament is addressed to Christians. Much of the Old Testament, however, is still relevant to Christianity.

Roy, I'm getting the feeling that I know more about Christianity than you do, despite not being a Christian, and frankly I don't know much about Christianity.

 

[Ray Trace]

You're forgetting the evidence like the upside down layers in Switzerland. If evolution were true. it shouldn't be that way, right?

And there you go, resorting to cherry-picking data in an attempt to disprove an entire scientific theory. That's not too different from what global warming skeptics do. From the way you think, it's either all of the theory has to be 100% true all the time, no margin of error, and if there is a small error, you throw the entire thing out. That's not how science works at all.

By the way, faulting can distort the rock layers so they're not neatly aligned all the time.

 

[Meta Knight]

Honestly people who use the Bible to justify negative things should just calm the heck down. The Bible says love everyone. People should stop using it to promote hate.

 

[Lily x]

Honestly people who use the Bible to justify negative things should just calm the heck down. The Bible says love everyone. People should stop using it to promote hate.

This basically
If you are going to use the bible to excuse stuff you have to excuse everything like the stoning people for stuff and wearing different patterned clothing and all the other stuff like that.

On topic, I am not big on American politics and I am from the UK but here are my opinions I have gathered

Clinton: Ok I guess but been in controversies and probably can't be trusted, but better her than Trump or Cruz
Sanders: While I don't agree with him on some stuff (ie. some economic stuff), he seems like he comes from a good point and wants to do the right thing
Trump: Basically Hitler
Cruz: Uber extremist Christian, and as someone who is agnostic (leaning more towards atheist), I can't stand that sort of person
Kasich: Haven't heard much about him but from what I gather he is the only sane republican candidate

 

[Specific Neptune]

Roy, you are a bad Christian. No where in the bible does it say that you have to hate homosexuality. It literally says, and I quote here "Love one another, as I have loved you".

Being a Christian myself makes me ashamed to share the same religion with you. I am legitimately insulted by what you have been saying in this thread, and that's actually saying something. Nowadays it's near impossible to piss me off, but you've just done it. It's people like you that turn others away from religion, make them hate it.

As a Christian, I respect everyone, no matter what life choices they choose. If you're looking at what Roy is saying, and thinking that's how all Christians act, it's really not.

 

[Nathan Fielder]

"love the sinner, hate the sin."

[quote author=the bible, leviticus 20:13]
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
[/quote]

sure

 

[Pokemon DP]

Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, once said of the relationship between Buddhism and science that "If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview."

why do so many Christians struggle with following this same approach? Is it not a deeply enlightening and spiritual experience to know that your god has put systems in place to dictate elements of nature and the universe, and that we have the free will, critical thinking, and curiousity to allow us to understand those systems? Why is it an affront to your faith to know that science has uncovered a little bit more about our existence and reality which, according to you, god made? Is understanding god's creation bad?

 

[Specific Neptune]

Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, once said of the relationship between Buddhism and science that "If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview."

why do so many Christians struggle with following this same approach? Is it not a deeply enlightening and spiritual experience to know that your god has put systems in place to dictate elements of nature and the universe, and that we have the free will, critical thinking, and curiousity to allow us to understand those systems? Why is it an affront to your faith to know that science has uncovered a little bit more about our existence and reality which, according to you, god made? Is understanding god's creation bad?

i change my beliefs all the time

for example, the earth has been shown to be not two thousand or so years old, but over 6 billion years old, and the universe itself is even older

i accept that as my belief

there has been numerous scientific advances in the past, most of which contradict various passages in the bible, which i have taken as truth

the one thing that i do not agree on, which is to say that i'm not entirely convinced by, is evolution

i agree that it is a plausible theory, i'm just not entirely convinced by it

also is it too much of a stretch to believe that dragons existed? cause i genuinely believe that :P

"love the sinner, hate the sin."

[quote author=the bible, leviticus 20:13]
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

sure
[/quote]
i stand corrected

this is why dippy is correct in that we need to change a few things up with our realisation of science

also perhaps this topic has become severely derailed now