The RPGs are actually what give the characters besides Mario their personalities, such as showing that Bowser is the type of bad guy that doesn't always think through stuff and ends up failing, and is sometimes overestimating himself, and also... well... you see my point. And those traits are still here in Color Splash, when Bowser regains consciousness and begins talking by himself.
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Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
Daisy and Rosalina said:
The thing is, everything that you said is just a generic personality that you could slap onto anyone and instantly create a character. These personality aspects are never explored, developed or anything of the sort since doing so would require story and character development, which is barely ever used in Mario games. That's what makes characters from movies/books/anime/whatever interesting. So while Mario characters have personality, it's never used to make them any more interesting than the initial impression from playing one round of Mario Kart with them. It's what they're designed for, they aren't meant to be deep characters.
The Mario RPGs do a little for characters like Bowser and Luigi, since those games are more story driven and can afford to do stuff like that to make the game interesting, but that's basically it for the main cast.
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Or at least , the less generic one in Mario games.
everybody else is more of the same tbh.
Swiftie_Luma said:
Heh.
Also, I would like Yoshi to be an optional powerup that changes based on character. It would have 6 colours.
Lee Chaolan said:
The personality traits I've wrote are not the same that your quote has, those you listed are acutally generic, the others are not.
Rosalina? She is ok in terms of personality but that is not her strong point. At all.
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explain how any of those characters are not generic.
i'll requote you
evil and showing different traits? most competently written villains are already that, but are far more complex and nuanced than "he wants power".
"misunderstood"? where did you get this from? all depictions of him portray him as a greedy, selfish slob. i don't see where else he's misunderstood. even so, that's the stock description of someone who looks this way but is actually this instead.
most competently written cowards show courage in times of distress. i mean, that's what adrenaline is for.
yeah, this sounds completely generic to me.
I mean, don't get me wrong, characters can still be enjoyable despite having bare minimum, generic qualities, but you shouldn't give too much credit to these characters.
i'll requote you
evil and showing different traits? most competently written villains are already that, but are far more complex and nuanced than "he wants power".
"misunderstood"? where did you get this from? all depictions of him portray him as a greedy, selfish slob. i don't see where else he's misunderstood. even so, that's the stock description of someone who looks this way but is actually this instead.
most competently written cowards show courage in times of distress. i mean, that's what adrenaline is for.
yeah, this sounds completely generic to me.
I mean, don't get me wrong, characters can still be enjoyable despite having bare minimum, generic qualities, but you shouldn't give too much credit to these characters.
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
The only difference was that you mentioned their secondary aspects which are generic for their archetype. Cowardly main characters will always get past their fear to do something heroic for example, Luigi isn't unique in that regard.Daisy and Rosalina said:
Regardless the main point of my post was that the personalities of the characters never gets developed which is what makes them unique. Luigi for example is never going to change, we're not going to see some arc in the story that makes Luigi realise that he shouldn't be trying to be his bro and instead be his own person. Bowser is never going to become a permanent good guy. Wario is never going to change his ways and go to the gym or give out money. Daisy is never going to shut up.
Changing a character by means of the story is what develops a character into having a good personality. Mario characters have got practically nothing because there's barely any story or unique dialogue in general, and that's not going to change.
Edit: Ninja'd by Baby Luigi, she brings out similar points so read that as well.
Baby Luigi said:
I meant that he showed to be akward, more dumb and with a comic side than he usually is, some villains doesn't do it at all, sometimes it feels that he is more an anti-hero than a villain in RPGs.
Wasn't Wario the one that was ignored by anyone in favor of Mario when they were younger?
I guess.
I did not even listed all her traits, she is also competitive, down to earth, more focused on being an athlete and being better than Mario more than doing princess-ish things, thinks lowly of her enemies and make fun of them. I don't see how this is generic, if we want generic personalities, Yoshi and Toad are right here.
Secondary aspects? I listed tomboy and sassy for Daisy and they are the most important traits of her personality and they are presents in almost all her descriptions.Lee Chaolan said:
I am afraid to click this thread because of the cringe factor.
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Where did you get that idea from? Sounds familiar though...Daisy and Rosalina said:
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memoryman3 said:
whenever i see "last post by memoryman" this is exactly how i feel
Daisy and Rosalina said:
maybe on that one mario comic, but everywhere else threw out that depiction. nongame media can have very different portrayals of characters, super mario-kun is one shining example.
It's from Fortune Street.Luigi 64DD said:
Well considering that all the cringe here was made by you, yes you should be afraid.memoryman3 said:
Koopsakimoto
Just a Koopa.
Maybe not a delxue editon. probably it will just be a regular port.
I was thinking the same, I mean the game is alredy completed.Koopsakimoto said:
Koopsakimoto said:
Nintendo always add something to it's ports if they are late. I expect Daisy as a playable character, a new Yoshi powerup and a few new worlds.
