Your pet peeves in the Mario series

[LeftyGreenMario]

This goes beyond pet peeve but Mario on drugs jokes aren't funny. Anybody who makes them is a hack with comedy.

I agree. I think it's what we call "boomer" comedy. It's on par with "Mario is the real villain" and it actually coincides and makes the jokes worse. It's so obvious, predictable, lazy, juvenile, narrowly-scoped but it's used so often because the general audience understands it almost immediately. There's also my massive peeve on how references other media make about Mario is very frequently on the original arcade game and Super Mario Bros., and it's the same problem of general audience. Wake me up when we get a joke of Yoshi riding on horses, Mario Party being violent, Mario and friends' ridiculous branding in their world via sponsors, Mario and friends idea of volleyball involves flying spaceships and violent wrestling, or Mario smuggling alligators for his soccer games, because even at minimal effort, they're still more original.

Mario isn't dumb, he's just a bit stubborn.

I wasn't thinking about his stubborness, I was thinking more he just sits there and has other people talk for him. It feels like a weirdly passive role for someone who's supposed to be a main hero and driving the story.

I personally can see Mario's personality. It's not as extravagant as Luigi's, sure, but it's still there. Like, a small detail I always notice is Mario always has more of an angrier expression compared to Luigi. (Best seen with the M&L series) The true empty character is Peach.

Oh and I got one: I hate dumb Mario shippings. We've got Luigi x Wario, Luigi x Bowser, Mario x Dr. Mario, Dr. Mario x Mr. L, Mr. L x Luigi, ect.
I lied another one is making Luigi gay. I understand where it's coming from but I personally dislike it. Because once we make him gay we're not gonna stop there nono he needs to want to be a GIRLLL. OML I'm triggering myself...


Stubborn is so negative, how about hard willed.

I always see Mario as more of a "no nonsense" person who wants to get things done and fast. He just doesn't seem like a reflective person. And to be fair, I don't think Peach is really empty, she's just passive. But she still has some personality, she's nice and polite, regal. But in Paper Mario and in Thousand-Year Door, she manages to be rebellious and courageous, being integral to sabotaging Bowser in both games, and remain in character, which I think is a better way to show how Peach can fight back without making her aggressive (unlike Super Mario Adventures).

I don't have a real strong opinion on relationshipping (in desperate attempt to avoid boat jokes). I think they're ultimately harmless, but I can imagine even the joke ones can get pretty grating when it's proposed often.

Everyone in the Marioverse is ace. Just, full stop. It's my pet peeve when people confuse sexual attraction/sexuality with romantic attraction especially in discussion involving "family-friendly" characters, and it just casts asexual people under a shadow. And I guess it's also good to bring up a pet peeve when people think Rosalina needs a partner when she doesn't need one.

From what I see, Mario's personality mainly revolves around positive qualities rather than flawed ones (examples: Luigi has fear, Wario has greed and Waluigi has jealousy), and I guess people consider positive traits as bland?

In case you don't know how Nintendo outlined Mario's personality, here's a reference from a 1993 guidebook. Although it has been many years since, the fact that nothing in the recent years contradicted the information below shows that Mario's personality is more or less consistent.

Yeah, I've been arguing that positive traits just tend to be overlooked or downplayed, so hence I argue those traits Mario has should STILL be considered personality. And it's not fair to Mario when the rest of the cast really aren't much better. This overlooking of positive traits also seems to apply to Peach, too, actually. She doesn't have the backstory that Rosalina has. Daisy is... well,I don't think people say much about her personality, but I also disagree that Daisy has no personality.

When people use Paper Mario artwork in completely unrelated memes, or in anything where they just want to reference the Mario series in general and probably don't even know about the Paper Mario series.

it being Paper Mario doesn't change anything, you should be more concerned over the quality and originality of these jokes

I think Paper Mario in an irrelevant meme would be indicative of at least laziness of a joke, lending to cheapness and poor impressions of a joke; it detracts from the meme. If you can't bother researching what Paper Mario is, I can't imagine the joke to be any better.

 

[winstein]

Count me in as somebody who does not approve of drug jokes in relation to Mario. Although the mushroom could be associated with drugs, it's a very tasteless thing to do because it felt like the person who made the joke wanted to ridicule the world of Mario or the people who love it. There are very few jokes that made it acceptable, and the only one that came to mind is Grand Theft Mario (that Robot Chicken parody).

It's not related to Mario, but my distaste for the drug jokes is very similar to my distaste for the horrific abomination of Garfield: attempting to twist something that is meant to be enjoyed by everyone and making it as unfriendly as possible. Although you can say that it's fine that some people like it, the problem is that eventually the "joke" will leak to more friendly places and that would ruin it for others.

What I am saying is that the frequency of the tasteless and insensitive joke eventually ruins it for other people.

Thank you for reading.

 

[zel]

i guess people use the pm artwork because it looks like the original sprite a fair bit and it also spread like wildfire i guess
legit look up mario on google images or whatever and i bet one of the first results is gonna be Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Mario Jumping Artwork
and yeah these jokes that amount to What if cute video game charcter was an asshole also with pointless violence XDD!!!!!!!!!!!! are annoying as hell regardless if its being applied to mario or not

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

That might've been true at one point, but as of now it doesn't look that way

 

[Mcmadness]

These monsters removing Mario's mustache must cease immediately.

 

[Cocoa]

Let Luigi be trans.

#EqualityForLuigi

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

Count me in as somebody who does not approve of drug jokes in relation to Mario. Although the mushroom could be associated with drugs, it's a very tasteless thing to do because it felt like the person who made the joke wanted to ridicule the world of Mario or the people who love it. There are very few jokes that made it acceptable, and the only one that came to mind is Grand Theft Mario (that Robot Chicken parody).

It's not related to Mario, but my distaste for the drug jokes is very similar to my distaste for the horrific abomination of Garfield: attempting to twist something that is meant to be enjoyed by everyone and making it as unfriendly as possible. Although you can say that it's fine that some people like it, the problem is that eventually the "joke" will leak to more friendly places and that would ruin it for others.

What I am saying is that the frequency of the tasteless and insensitive joke eventually ruins it for other people.

Thank you for reading.

To comment on the tastelessness, part of the reason Mario + Mushrooms jokes are immediately appealing to the general audience is that drug jokes coincide with adolescent shock humor, what teenagers think what adult humor is and not actually caring about the sensitive real problems of drug abuse or respecting the Mario source material, or what adults think that shocking = funny (also why Garfield jokes you don't enjoy are like this). I think the shock factor of drugs juxtaposed with the friendly image of Mario invites for such a joke, but as I said, it's way too obvious and lazy, it lost whatever surprise, if it ever was a surprise, a long time ago, and surprise is supposed to be a key element of jokes.

i guess people use the pm artwork because it looks like the original sprite a fair bit and it also spread like wildfire i guess
legit look up mario on google images or whatever and i bet one of the first results is gonna be Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Mario Jumping Artwork
and yeah these jokes that amount to What if cute video game charcter was an asshole also with pointless violence XDD!!!!!!!!!!!! are annoying as hell regardless if its being applied to mario or not

I also think the Paper Mario artwork is very clean and simple, easy to read and recognize, goes very easy with a simple mono-colored text. And if you don't know Mario that well, you may assume that the Paper Mario is just a stylized 2D Mario, but still Mario for all intents and purpose. Sure, you can argue that there's a wealth of 2D Mario vector images but they're not as easily found if you don't frequent MarioWiki or search properly; even a Google search of "Mario" shows none of the 2D vector art (though you get some art if you search "Mario 2D", but even then, only the first 2D vector I've seen is suitable for a meme, and that's on DeviantArt.

I mean, there's no punchline for those jokes. It's just trying to make fun of a opposite juxtapositioning. That's pretty much it. It's a cliche at this point, as trite as "cute soft nice character has an anger button"trope.

These monsters removing Mario's mustache must cease immediately.

I wish I can be paid a job to write pointless articles on some of the most pointless and boring mods of Super Mario Odyssey, on the other hand.

Let Luigi be trans.

#EqualityForLuigi

Let Luigi be Luigi.

 

[Mcmadness]

My mama always said that Luigi is as Luigi does.

 

[Ten]

I got triggered and untriggered in less than a minute.

 

[Pokerninja2]

Why does everyone who does video game animations on the internet portray Mario as vulgar, irritated, perverted, or otherwise plain fucked up? I don't see how you can get that kind of personality from anything about Mario in the first place. It's unoriginal, stupid, out-of-character, and just another way to put tasteless shock humor in online video game-related media. There's an equal amount of edgy, gorey, childhood-ruining Pokémon animations too. Seriously, the only person I can put up with when he does this is Egoraptor, and that's only because he does it to good original music. It's not satirical. It's no longer subversive. Hell, it's not even funny. In fact, it's deeply disturbing and frightening. Everyone should just. Fucking. Stop. Trying with this type of shit.

 

[Cocoa]

Why does everyone who does video game animations on the internet portray Mario as vulgar, irritated, perverted, or otherwise plain fucked up? I don't see how you can get that kind of personality from anything about Mario in the first place. It's unoriginal, stupid, out-of-character, and just another way to put tasteless shock humor in online video game-related media. There's an equal amount of edgy, gorey, childhood-ruining Pokémon animations too. Seriously, the only person I can put up with when he does this is Egoraptor, and that's only because he does it to good original music. It's not satirical. It's no longer subversive. Hell, it's not even funny. In fact, it's deeply disturbing and frightening. Everyone should just. Fucking. Stop. Trying with this type of shit.

According to SMG4, a Heroic Mario would be boring.

 

[Toka Hebizuka]

but that's SMG4 so it's automatically wrong

 

[Vivian]

This is oddly relevant to the pet peeve of people twisting Mario's image into dark & edgy nonsense. What the internet doesn't seem to understand is that attempt is exactly WARIO, 'the corrupt version of Mario'. I watched a video on this I sort of agree with, in the SML series where Wario makes his debut, he's everything ignorant people try to joke Mario to be. He's a brute, cruel, clumsy, and greedy, with an odd charisma to him. Funny thing is, he's still not as bad as Bowser, so theoretically even at Mario's worst he'd still only fall under chaotic neutral as a capitalist treasure hunter.

Which brings me to my pet peeve, Waluigi still doesn't have his own official game! What would it entail? If Wario is greed, and Waluigi is jealousy. I'm genuinely curious to what Nintendo would give him for a plot, world, physics, & a game mechanic.

 

[Mcmadness]

Well if he got his own game he wouldn't be jealous anymore.

 

[Cocoa]

Well if he got his own game he wouldn't be jealous anymore.

I think that's the point mi bucko.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

Why does everyone who does video game animations on the internet portray Mario as vulgar, irritated, perverted, or otherwise plain fucked up? I don't see how you can get that kind of personality from anything about Mario in the first place. It's unoriginal, stupid, out-of-character, and just another way to put tasteless shock humor in online video game-related media. There's an equal amount of edgy, gorey, childhood-ruining Pokémon animations too. Seriously, the only person I can put up with when he does this is Egoraptor, and that's only because he does it to good original music. It's not satirical. It's no longer subversive. Hell, it's not even funny. In fact, it's deeply disturbing and frightening. Everyone should just. Fucking. Stop. Trying with this type of shit.

I do suppose Super Mario Glitchy 4 partially contributed to the image of Mario being some sort of anti-hero with unappealing traits. I agree that it is stupid, out-of-character and serves only to shock people. I repeat myself: adolescent shock humor is popular with the demographic even if it's really cheap and lame. I for one am really tired of seeing ultra violence and gore in Gmod Mario animations and I've seen only a few (heck I think my friend made one of Mario accidentally making Luigi explode into bits and that was from just a stupid ambient noise I put for Left 4 Dead). I really want to see more wholesomeness and less violence from SFM/Gmod animations overall. Which reminds me, I need to work on that SFM animation again...

I can't say it'll stop but you know there are probably some Mario brain bleach in the Internet, made by people who agree with you, that can make the ride a little easier.

According to SMG4, a Heroic Mario would be boring.

The thing is, it goes the other way too: you can't just stuff negative traits into one character and expect the character to be interesting and likeable either.

 

[winstein]

I liked how it's handled in Luigi's Nightmare, where Luigi had a dream that is likely stemmed from his inferiority complex, since he was not only faced with the fact that Mario has more games under his name, he even dreamed that Mario beaten him up. In reality Mario is quite caring and in fact supportive of Luigi getting a year to himself.

With that said, I thought it would be an interesting twist if Luigi's the one who got psychotic, only because people seem to like Luigi exhibiting psychotic behaviours, such as that Luigi "death stare".

Thank you for reading.

 

[Ray Trace]

Why does everyone who does video game animations on the internet portray Mario as vulgar, irritated, perverted, or otherwise plain fucked up?

lgm and i made g-pg mario sfm animations and we should make more

 

[Toka Hebizuka]

3) Olympics games are too short, they're practically less interesting Party mini-games. There's also the problem with the play-mechanics, the motion control games put the 3DS at risk of breaking, might be okay for the 2DS though because it's a problem with the folding bit.

This is why Winter is the best, the events are developed and actually fun to play.

 

[Zelda and Tri]

2) Mario Sports and Mario Partys get their own story modes & cut-scenes, why not Mario Kart?

I wouldn't really want Mario and co. to try and save the Mushroom Kingdom from an alien if Mario Kart had a story. I'd rather have Mario host some sort of tournament, invite his friends, and have no villains to fight. It'd be a great story for Mario Kart!

 

[Cocoa]

I love this! It'd be awesome if there was courses to clear with dialogue between the characters, maybe each character hosts a different raceway, so there could be rival matches. It could be wholesome!

Perhaps Bowser and the Koopalings would try and ruin all of it at the end and you'd have to race all of them and win in order to stop them.

 

[Toka Hebizuka]

I wouldn't really want Mario and co. to try and save the Mushroom Kingdom from an alien if Mario Kart had a story. I'd rather have Mario host some sort of tournament, invite his friends, and have no villains to fight. It'd be a great story for Mario Kart!

Here's the fantastic story for the next Mario Kart that I posted on the Discord a while back.

Spoiler

Long ago there was a go-kart war to get a legendary kart for racing, in the end the winning side decided to destroy it, turning it into seven pieces that only a clash between light and dark could summon

Modern day Mushroom Kingdom, Peach is unveiling a new theme park based around go-karting, when suddenly a mysterious cloaked figure appears, takes over the theme park and it tells Mario and friends that if they want their theme park back they must first beat his trials.

Each World is a zone of the theme park, taken over by villain of the Mario series and turned into a death trap more reminiscent of their character. At the end one of the characters must fight the character that took over the zone, Mario Vs. Wario, Luigi Vs. Waluigi, Peach Vs. Bowser, DK Vs. K. Rool, etc.

At the end of the game the mysterious hooded figure reveals that the whole reason he made the heroes fight the bosses was to cause a clash between light and dark, which would summon a piece of the legendary go-kart. He teleports each of the hero's piece of the kart into his hand, and pieces them together to summon the legendary go-kart. He then challenges the heroes to a race, but before the race starts he takes of his cloak and reveals himself to be Bluster Kong, he then transforms into Leo Luster and then one of the playable characters must race him.

In the end the heroes win, the theme park is returned to normal, and the power of friendship turns out to be more powerful then a mysterious go-kart./

 

[Noct]

This is more of a general Nintendo/SEGA fandom pet peeve, but it somewhat annoys me how some people automatically assume that Mario and Sonic must always be portrayed as mortal enemies. If they were completely detached from their respective parent companies' 90s marketing skirmish, it would be kind out of character for both of them to quarrel with one another.

Out of all the fan interpretations out there, I still feel to this very day that Alvin-Earthworm and his SMBZ series was the one that had the right idea by having Mario and Sonic team up to fight a common threat rather than fight each other.

 

[zel]

martinet on certain events as mario straight up said sonic is his friend which i really love. mario and sonic are friends and you will NOT convince me otherwise

 

[winstein]

I would say that the idea that Mario and Sonic being sworn rivals stemmed very much from American marketing, where SEGA basically touted themselves as the better alternative to Nintendo, and because of Sonic spearheading this campaign, it's very much assumed that Sonic is a rival to Mario. Still though, I do have to commend Nintendo for leveraging Donkey Kong as a response to SEGA's continuous downplaying on Nintendo, while at the same time making Donkey Kong a viable IP that continues to this very day.

I like that the Mario & Sonic games existed, which basically dispelled the idea that Mario and Sonic are assumed to be enemies to each other. It may not be the perfect crossover in the minds of any Mario or Sonic fan, but it's serviceable with what they did to the characters.

This is more of a general Nintendo/SEGA fandom pet peeve, but it somewhat annoys me how some people automatically assume that Mario and Sonic must always be portrayed as mortal enemies. If they were completely detached from their respective parent companies' 90s marketing skirmish, it would be kind out of character for both of them to quarrel with one another.

This is basically my annoyance with crossovers where protagonists battle each other, such as Batman vs Superman and the Death Battle series: they play with the idea that one protagonist has to be necessarily superior to another protagonist as though the work is automatically better if that protagonist is more powerful. Perhaps if the protagonists have a very different outlook like hero vs anti-hero it would be more understandable, but most of the time it's not the case and it comes off as just wanting them battle for the sake of a fight.

Thank you for reading.