Mario Kart World

@MnSG Why do people hate them as drivers in Mario Kart? Are they slow?
 
MnSG said:
I actually heard from a user at SmashBoards state that the Koopalings were among the most hated newcomers in Mario Kart 8, which is quite heavy for a group of Koopas whom never had a playable appearance before that game. It's even more baffling that they got more hate than Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach, with the latter just being Peach with metallic shaders implemented.
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If they were so hated then why did people choose Morton and not other characters of his weight class before the "balance" updates?

This is a pretty strong claim and I'd like to see any semblance of evidence backing that up.
 
Xiahou Dun said:
If they were so hated then why did people choose Morton and not other characters of his weight class before the "balance" updates?

This is a pretty strong claim and I'd like to see any semblance of evidence backing that up.
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This is what SmashBoards user, Opossum, stated to me...

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I mean, besides the Kongs (who are probably gone because they're trying to solidify DK's redesign and that likely means deciding what to do with his supporting cast), there...really aren't very many omissions? Like again, besides the Kongs, the biggest missing characters from 8 Deluxe are Petey and Kamek, and the latter is an item now.

RPG characters and the extended Wario cast were never on the table, historically, so it's not like they're egregious omissions. So again, Kongs aside, they're missing...who? Petey, Kamek, and if you count Tour, then King Bob-Omb and Poochy? And the ever-missing E. Gadd? That's a small enough list to be covered in like one wave of DLC.

Hell, besides the above mentioned, most of the cuts from 8 Deluxe were of characters who were downright hated among the online fanbase. The metal variants, the power up variants, and the Koopalings seemed to draw the ire of half the fanbase.
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https://smashboards.com/threads/hopes-for-the-next-mario-kart-discussion.523153/post-25066780
Opossum said:
Dry Bones is in the game. And again...the Koopalings were absolutely hated by most people online. I've seen more people happy about them being dropped than people sad that they're seemingly gone. So with those out of the way there are like...fewer than five characters who most people actually care about that didn't return. That's not a "middle finger," it's just the reality of any game with a big roster.
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https://smashboards.com/threads/hopes-for-the-next-mario-kart-discussion.523153/post-25066901

Maybe I'm overreacting to what he said, but it definitely felt like a heavy statement.
 
Seems like anecdote and overreliance on the word of people who spend time online, which are not the majority of the players who play Mario Kart. Jury is still out if the Koopalings are back, but Baby Rosalina still returned in spite of her online reputation being negative (that character also got an alternate outfit in Mario Kart Tour). I don't think Nintendo pays that much attention to what fans want. If the Koopalings are gone, it's not due to the apparent online reptuation. It'll be a shame, as with if Diddy Kong, Metal Mario/Pink Gold Peach, H. Queen, Paratroopa, Kamek, R.O.B., are indeed cut from the roster.
 
Anyway, on a different subject, for some notable information that I've gathered from today's videos, here's the stats for some of the vehicles when Mario is riding them...
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Standard Kart, Plushbuggy

Speed: 2.0/4
Acceleration: 2.2/4
Weight: 1.8/4
Handling: 2.0/4
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Zoom Buggy, Rally Kart

Speed: 2.2/4
Acceleration: 2.0/4
Weight: 2.0/4
Handling: 1.8/4
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Baby Blooper

Speed: 1.8/4
Acceleration: 2.4/4
Weight: 1.6/4
Handling: 2.2/4
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Chargin' Truck

Speed: 2.6/4
Acceleration: 1.4/4
Weight: 2.4/4
Handling: 1.6/4
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Standard Bike, Cute Scoot

Speed: 1.2/4
Acceleration: 3.0/4
Weight: 1.4/4
Handling: 2.4/4
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MnSG said:
Koopalings were among the most hated newcomers
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Knuckles The Echidna said:
No Koopalings?! Noooooooooooo! 😭
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Xiahou Dun said:
It'll be a shame, as with if Diddy Kong, Metal Mario/Pink Gold Peach, H. Queen, Paratroopa, Kamek, R.O.B., are indeed cut from the roster.
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First of all we need to do some cuts, at this point we've got the main cast return so it'd be illogical to expect much more MK8 drivers to return.

As I said above, species diversity is the major problem with the koopas. I'd agree rosters shouldn't always be just about human versus koopas.

But in terms of importance, it's also arguable to claim the World newcomers are wearker as all pure minions when Koopalings at least are generals with personalities. As I stated above, I feel like the World base newcomers don't garuntee a "overall better" quality for the cuts to be accepted.

Also I hate to say it, but Koopalings got no appearance in any other NS1 game, that's even much more disturbing. I'd happily accept if they're gonna star in tennis or party instead of kart on NS2.

Xiahou Dun said:
much attention to what fans want
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Most of the fandemands are characters that got spotlights from the mainline.

In NIntendo's view the obvious fandemand would sure help when they help the regular games' sales. (Like you even add the Talking Flower to Jamboree, why not let it drive?)

Piantas are the icon for Sunshine so that may be a pass, but it'd be super weird to skip Cappy and go for other Odyssey minions.

Also don't forget the movie. If they want to acknowledge "everyone can race" concept, having kongs race in the movie would be the anti-advetising there. Now the movie helped increase kongs demand for MK, Nintendo basically shot their own feet.
 
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why isn't that fish bone crumbling, its not in water

I'm thinking Fred Roam will be more than just a Free Roam, but maybe with quests to unlock characters. And if I'm right, according to the Nintendo Treehouse footage, once you get a costume from the Food Bag, you unlock the costume as a separate character
 
I wonder if a lot of the unusual characters will be unlockable by exploring the open world and discovering secrets. Perhaps if you drive around Moo Moo meadows area, there's a hidden barn gate and driving through it unlocks the cow as a playable racer.
 
Man in the said:
I wonder if a lot of the unusual characters will be unlockable by exploring the open world and discovering secrets. Perhaps if you drive around Moo Moo meadows area, there's a hidden barn gate and driving through it unlocks the cow as a playable racer.
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One theory also said they pick the track hazard minions to be drivers so they can save the budget.
 
Watching Treehouse play, it looks like the coms are smarter than before, seeing the rival keep up with the player in 100cc and occasionally pass the player too even though the player was boosting a lot and not getting hit
 
Here are the stats that I was able to get from the Cow's Rally Kart...

Speed: 2.6/4
Acceleration: 1.6/4
Weight: 2.4/4
Handling: 1.4/4

This pretty much means that there are stat differences between characters, with the Cow's speed and weight being 0.4 units (out of 4) better than Mario's, but its acceleration and handling are both 0.4 units weaker as a drawback.
 
Rolla Koopa said:
Watching Treehouse play, it looks like the coms are smarter than before, seeing the rival keep up with the player in 100cc and occasionally pass the player too even though the player was boosting a lot and not getting hit
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Tree house aren't particularly good players and stronger rubber banding mechanics doesn't translate to smarter AI.
 
Chowder said:
I also just want a reason for all the generic enemies and NPCs being playable (minus Koopa, Hammer Bro, Wiggler, Chargin' Chuck, and Monty Mole) and taking up almost half of the roster when we could have gotten characters like:

The Koopalings
Metal Mario/Pink Gold Peach
Diddy Kong
Funky Kong
Dry Bowser
Petey Piranha
Peachette
RPG characters
WarioWare characters
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I think they just did it for the fun of it. Not sure yet if I like it or not.
 
I haven't heard this mentioned yet, but the Treehouse stream shows there are 7 PAGES OF CHARACTERS! (the 7th one might not be full though)

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Xiahou Dun said:
Seems like anecdote and overreliance on the word of people who spend time online, which are not the majority of the players who play Mario Kart.
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All babies returned, despite the outcry of the haters, because we know the vocal online dudes do not make up the majority of the playerbase. Hell I'd be one of the silent fans too if I didn't open my trap up here on the MarioWiki community.
 
Dorayaki said:
But it got costumes in seperate slots tho.

Which I feel like not appropriate. I think MK8 did it more properly.
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Wait, the costumes are separate slots? (Now that I think about it, this makes sense, since there isn't a separate menu for them.)
 
Now it comes to my mind, did anyone think of Bananza?

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Well, we know despite Rosalina held the soonest record of MK entry, it doesn't really become a firm pattern for newer mainline characters to get in MK soon. But nevertheless, since Bananza and MK World share a very close working period, it wouldn't be illogical to assume Nintendo notice this game and try to push its characters like they did with Rosalina.

However, it feels like old fans have great divergence toward Bananza so could it a bad idea for Nintendo if they do want to add Bananza contents to this game?
 
The game looks absolutely incredible to me! I just went on the SuperMario Wiki and it is nicely updated already. On the list of courses, there's the main new ones and this "Golden Rally" part, and the last two cups of that, Cloud and Heart Rally, both apparently contain Shy Guy Bazaar? That certainly is... bizarre. Lots of repeats for some reason.
 
Dorayaki said:
Now it comes to my mind, did anyone think of Bananza?

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Well, we know despite Rosalina held the soonest record of MK entry, it doesn't really become a firm pattern for newer mainline characters to get in MK soon. But nevertheless, since Bananza and MK World share a very close working period, it wouldn't be illogical to assume Nintendo notice this game and try to push its characters like they did with Rosalina.

However, it feels like old fans have great divergence toward Bananza so could it a bad idea for Nintendo if they do want to add Bananza contents to this game?
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And when you think it over, VoidCo will probably be a one-time only antagonist, much like what happened to the Tiki Tak Tribe and Snowmad Tribe.
 
MnSG said:
And when you think it over, VoidCo will probably be a one-time only antagonist, much like what happened to the Tiki Tak Tribe and Snowmad Tribe.
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Yeah, I've already said above this rarely happens. It's about how people react to "promotion picks". The premise is merely an assumption.

That said, I also don't agree with not adding any of the recent mainline characters overall.
 
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