Gabrielle Giffords shot
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I know, I know.
Also of note, only adult males had actual votes in Athenian democracy, so it was even smaller than that.
Also of note, only adult males had actual votes in Athenian democracy, so it was even smaller than that.
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Smaller, but still a significantly large amount; Large enough for it to be a problem, without some sort of representative model to better organize the system of voting. They didn't literally have ever single solitary citizen speak their mind. They did however, have them vote on issues regarding the state.
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Seriously, the guy who did this should get the death sentence. I wish it was still in effect over here in the UK.
Post conflicted twice. Bring on no. 3.
Post conflicted twice. Bring on no. 3.
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Herr Shyguy said:
Blame the TC. He brought it up.
Bowser Koopa said:
A significantly large amount? I'd say so. However, you seem to be underestimating the scale of how ambitious a project to renovate the entire system of government would be.
Let's speak hypothetically for a moment. Let's say that everyone is perfectly happy with this, and we're now an Athenian democracy. How do you intend to get every citizen of age to vote? Where do we draw the arbitrary lines on what is a topic we should take all the time and effort necessary to cast a vote on? Let's not even get into the fact about how easily people would sell their votes; it makes the corruption in our current form of government almost laughable in comparison. I still don't believe Athenian democracy would work in our country as of now.
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Nothing's perfect, so obviously we can't guarantee that every single solitary citizen will vote. We can however, incentify them to vote. There are countries that tax citizens who don't vote. (Or we could give them a tax deduction for voting) There are ways to persuade people. As for people selling their votes..... that would be a rather difficult thing to lobby. Imagine how much money that would cost special interests. Certainly more than paying off select few senators.Ninji said:
I'll get back to you on what you said about arbitrary lines. I'm late for an appointment. Good discussion. Edit: Alright, I'm back. As for that arbitrary line... good question. Was thinking about this for a long long time while driving to the office today. At present, I haven't a definitive answer. Off the top of my head, I would say that new policies as well as removing old policies, would trump modification of existing policies in regards to importance. Projects like The New Deal tend to be more ambitious than say... raising federal income taxes. I think that the former should have more time and thought put into it.
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Yeah, even though I wasn't part of it, it's the first sensible stuff I've seen here since Scorpion came.Bowser Koopa said:
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Sensible, you mean... as in, civilized discussion?
As for what Herr said, I'm assuming our Athenian Democracy discussion is not permitted?
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Which country are we talking here? U.S. has over 307,000,000Herr Shyguy said:
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Well, while I respectfully disagree with your stance; To each his own I say. Still, it would be nice to further discuss that with you in the future. I'm always open for touching up on it; Elsewhere though. As you said, off topic, etc.
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It absolutely does in my book, but just keep in mind that there are 6.8 billion people on Earth altogether. It would be crazy if the US had billions.Herr Shyguy said:
Okay sorry to be off topic but I keep thinking this thread says Gilbert Gottfried was shot.
What happened truly is tragic though.
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Mason said:It absolutely does in my book, but just keep in mind that there are 6.8 billion people on Earth altogether. It would be crazy if the US had billions.Herr Shyguy said:
Okay sorry to be off topic but I keep thinking this thread says Gilbert Gottfried was shot.
What happened truly is tragic though.
But yeah... to get back on topic and off the Athenian tangent.... did you all see the 8 minute Sarah Palin "speech" about the shooting?
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The fact that the girl was born on 9/11 is just a coincidence and I don't really know why people are making a big deal waaaait a minute
You went to the same school with a kid 10 years younger than you?
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You went to the same school with a kid 10 years younger than you?
Bowser Koopa
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Oh yeah. He told me all about it. About a peer that was half his age. Sharp as a tack that one.
Kyoko Sakura
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No, you guys, he's saying that he used to go to her school a long time ago. Cripes.
Bowser Koopa
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But... to be serious again; I did hear that the little girl actually was into politics, and was really quite intelligent for her age. It does my heart good to see young people get into politics so early. I hear she's the grandaughter of a manager of a baseball team. Forgot which one though. The Nicks?
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It's not illogical. My school ranges from ages 2 to 18. >_>President Iwata said: