Unpopular opinions about the Mario series

My unpopular opinion. Waluigi is the best character.
 
Twirlerena said:
My unpopular opinion. Waluigi is the best character.
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Yeah despite my "love-to-hate" attitude toward Waluigi, I can't deny either that he has given Mario spinoffs games way more entertainment that I really appreciate his presence.
 
Not only does the character get hate, but I get hate because Waluigi fans have been labeled as "toxic harassers". I can't go anywhere without people bringing up smash bros when I wanna talk about Waluigi...
 
People tend to apply any idea they have about some people to all individuals in the same demographic. It's pretty stupid honestly, like, how can you claim to suddenly have information on every single person ever who likes Waluigi?

Don't get me wrong, I am not at all a fan of the man but I have absolutely no bone to pick with those who do like him.
 
Fiora said:
People tend to apply any idea they have about some people to all individuals in the same demographic. It's pretty stupid honestly, like, how can you claim to suddenly have information on every single person ever who likes Waluigi?
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Well, one thing you can say for certain.

Every single Waluigi fan likes Waluigi.
 
Damn.

That's it. You just destroyed my argument.
 
Twirlerena said:
My unpopular opinionFact: Waluigi is the best character.
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FTFY

Twirlerena said:
Not only does the character get hate, but I get hate because Waluigi fans have been labeled as "toxic harassers". I can't go anywhere without people bringing up smash bros when I wanna talk about Waluigi...
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What makes it worse is that literally only 2 or 3 Waluigi fans harassed Sakurai over Smash.
 
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Peepa said:
Sakurai was literally harassed ?
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being the director of a hugely popular game series, i'd imagine this sort of reception would be disgustingly daily for him
 
I would say liking Super Paper Mario more than TTYD would have been very controversial in the past but now not so much.

Other than that my most controversial opinion is probably liking Mario Party 9 more than Super Mario 64 but that's only really because I played Galaxy 1 & 2 years before SM64 due to growing up in the Wii generation (hence SM64 felt like a large downgrade rather than the revolution it was to most at the time) and similarly playing MP9 as my first and so far only Mario Party game meant that I wasn't prejudiced against it and even now I don't really know anything else. Without personal bias, I would probably say Super Mario 64 is the better game, particularly when you consider that it is sixteen years older.
 
I would derive more enjoyment from Mario Party 9 than I would Super Mario 64 so there's that.
 
I would rather play a non Mario game than Mario Party.
 
I always play solo because none of my friends are into MP.
 
MiracleDinner said:
I would say liking Super Paper Mario more than TTYD would have been very controversial in the past but now not so much.
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I'd say that's still very much an unpopular opinion, though it's one I also hold (I love both of them so much that i don't like to pit them against each other though, both stand as my ideal direction for the Paper Mario series story-wise than anything that came after Super)

MiracleDinner said:
I always play solo because none of my friends are into MP.
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I always play solo because i don't have any IRL friends tbh

Despite what my Switch would erroneously tell you, I've not played much of Super Mario Party at all for that reason.
 
Honestly, these days, disliking SPM seems to be the unpopular opinion. And while I don't hold that opinion to the extreme, I do consider it to be the weakest Paper Mario and also the most overrated game in the entire franchise.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Paper Mario 1 and 2 as much as anyone. Color Splash seemed to be a love-it-or-hate-it game for the Paper Mario fanbase, but I am very much on the love-it side and consider it to be as great as the first two. Even Sticker Star, which is probably the most universally hated Mario game there is, is one I feel to be criminally underrated even if it wasn't as great as the first two.

But SPM is just...I can't get behind it. The gameplay was unique and a nice change of pace at first, but eventually it just became monotonous and repetitive. The story was very bland with zero charm or humor, and I can't understand the praise it gets. The characters and setting feel as if the devs forgot they were creating a Mario game. I feel it's a decent game on its own merits, but I also feel it falls short of its predecessors...and its successors.
 
I don't think they forgot they were making a Mario game, they just opened their minds to explore new territory past the conventions of the main Mario games, TTYD already did that to an extent, SPM just took it further. I loved taking Mario & co. across the entire universe and dimensions to stop all worlds from being literally erased, stakes like that just really excite me. I also can't understand how you could think the story was bland or has zero charm? The villains are like a big family together and it's cool to see them bicker amongst themselves in the intermissions, there's lines like "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played" and they wrote unique lines for all 100 Sammer Guys--- granted the gameplay there is indeed monotonous but the writing is great. And the first visit to Chapter 6 is one of the best subversions of expectations ever, putting to rest any assumption that the Void was only a background detail to drive the plot. Nope, here you get to see the threat first-hand and then go back in to explore the wasteland it created!

I've never held the Paper Mario series to be faithful to the main series. It was pretty faithful in the first game, but it still had plenty of new characters and charm. Starting with TTYD I believe Paper Mario started to become a more serious take on Mario adventures, not without humor of course, but the stakes were getting higher, and you were moving away from the standard Mario-vs-Bowser plot you see in every mainline game. SPM was the next logical step story-wise, now I could see how you might be turned off by the character designs but in terms of the writing and story, I think it was a much better Paper Mario experience than the retread of old, worn ground SS and CS were. Granted CS was a step in the right direction but I personally don't believe the Paper Mario I loved will fully return until they do away with the "no new characters, keep it extremely close to the main series (which are a different genre and don't rely as much on story), this should be more of a cute little romp than a grand epic adventure" mentality.

And with M&L possibly gone, this might be the only hope the Mario RPGs I loved so much to keep going, I sure hope we're not looking at a future where all Mario RPGs have the same regular character cast and a generic story.

Also with how torn opinions on SPM are, I think both liking and disliking it count as unpopular.
 
Wow I was going to PM YFJ to defend Super Paper Mario but looks like someone beat me to it.
@Vivian I believe you are the same person as Fawfulthegreat64/greatdimentio? If so I more or less agree with your "Super Paper Mario Video review" (Story 10/10, Gameplay 8/10, Presentation 9/10, Overall 9/10).
 
Yes that's me! But lmao please don't remind me of that terrible video, it's a pretty shoddy excuse for a "review" lol. I don't believe I even acknowledged any flaws with the game which it does have, I just love the rest of it too much to care :P
 
Vivian said:
I've never held the Paper Mario series to be faithful to the main series. It was pretty faithful in the first game, but it still had plenty of new characters and charm. Starting with TTYD I believe Paper Mario started to become a more serious take on Mario adventures, not without humor of course, but the stakes were getting higher, and you were moving away from the standard Mario-vs-Bowser plot you see in every mainline game. SPM was the next logical step story-wise
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This opened my mind to a new way of looking at the series and I love it. Now I'm sitting here remembering despite the common generic enemies/npc's in SS and CS, they continue to push the limits of what they can do with a paper universe, and I'm starting to think the whole series is pretty cool. I mean I always new the gradual elevation of the gimmick, but I hadn't thought about how it was also being introduced to Mario himself. o.o I have a newfound respect to the newer pm's thank you

P.s. I know this wasn't the point you were making, but one thought led to another
 
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MiracleDinner said:
Hotel Mario?
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Nah, that one's just inherently bad; it's the subject of a lot of jokes, but I have yet to see someone with an actual hate passion against it. Behold the Fail Awards results of the past few years, where anything and everything related to Sticker Star got voted in the top 3 no matter how good or bad it may have been compared to the other nominees.
 
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