LN1 said:
I suggest you guys lemme have Giga impact or adaptability.
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I suggest you guys lemme have Giga impact or adaptability.
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MnSG
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I'd say buff up Deoxys, in terms of its base stats; primarily its HP. That may sound redundant, but a base HP of 50 is just pathetic, by legendary standards.
Vital Spirit saves Magmortar from being affected by the sleep status problem, so that does help it in some way.
Normal Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 150
Defense: 60
SP ATK: 150
SP DEF: 60
Speed: 150
Total: 670
Attack Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 180
Defense: 30
SP ATK: 180
SP DEF: 30
Speed: 150
Total: 670
Defense Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 60
Defense: 180
SP ATK: 60
SP DEF: 180
Speed: 90
Total: 670
Speed Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 105
Defense: 90
SP ATK: 105
SP DEF: 90
Speed: 180
Total: 670
This may make Deoxys stronger, but the following must still be kept in mind...
Even with the HP buff, a base HP of 100 doesn't guarantee that Deoxys will always survive getting 1-hit KO'd, especially when you take into account that Mamoswine almost always gets 1-hit KO'd by a STABbed super-effective Aura Sphere, despite having a base HP of 110; its base special defense is 60. Therefore, it still would have to be weary of Sucker Punch while in its Normal and Attack Formes.
HP: 100
Attack: 150
Defense: 60
SP ATK: 150
SP DEF: 60
Speed: 150
Total: 670
Attack Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 180
Defense: 30
SP ATK: 180
SP DEF: 30
Speed: 150
Total: 670
Defense Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 60
Defense: 180
SP ATK: 60
SP DEF: 180
Speed: 90
Total: 670
Speed Forme
HP: 100
Attack: 105
Defense: 90
SP ATK: 105
SP DEF: 90
Speed: 180
Total: 670
This may make Deoxys stronger, but the following must still be kept in mind...
Even with the HP buff, a base HP of 100 doesn't guarantee that Deoxys will always survive getting 1-hit KO'd, especially when you take into account that Mamoswine almost always gets 1-hit KO'd by a STABbed super-effective Aura Sphere, despite having a base HP of 110; its base special defense is 60. Therefore, it still would have to be weary of Sucker Punch while in its Normal and Attack Formes.
LN1 said:
Vital Spirit saves Magmortar from being affected by the sleep status problem, so that does help it in some way.
Iggy Koopa Jr
scrambled eggs
I do agree
Dunesparce get's the highest stats of any pokemon and can learn every move by level 25
MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
Anser said:
Quiver Dance is pretty much pointless with Yanmega being too frail to take any kind of special attacks. Besides, its Speed Boost ability can cover the speed buffs that it needs, while protecting itself with Protect or Detect.
Anyway, I'd give Gardevoir Aura Sphere, just as a way for it to avoid getting walled by certain Steel-types; Aggron being one example. After all, Focus Blast just isn't a reliable attack without Gravity support.
Cirdec said:
A base stat total of 670 isn't exactly broken though, and Attack Forme Deoxys gets outsped by Ninjask, who wipes it out with X-Scissor. Likewise, any Sucker Punch user completely murders Attack Forme Deoxys as well. Because of this, it wouldn't matter if Deoxys's base HP is 100, if its offensive forms have frail defense attributes; Mamoswine obviously proves that.
MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
Cirdec said:
In a way, you may have a point, but you must understand that in most cases, Attack Forme Deoxys can only 1-hit KO stuff if its attacks deal super-effective damage, or score critical hits. If it doesn't 1-hit KO its adversary with a super-effective attack, or with a critical hit, the adversary will easily wipe it out in one blow (if the Focus Sash isn't taken into account), regardless of having base 100 HP; base 30 defenses would still be very pitiful.
For example, a Slaking can take a STABbed Psychic from Attack Forme Deoxys, and then slay it with Return. Likewise, there's no way that Attack Forme Deoxys can 1-hit KO Houndoom without Superpower, Focus Blast, any strong physical attacks, or critical hits, while Houndoom can wipe it out with a single Dark Pulse.
Iggy Koopa Jr
scrambled eggs
I think so... not sure
MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
Cirdec said:
That would still be very risky, as Phycho Boost could miss, and it would end up crippling Deoxys's special attack if it does hit. If Deoxys ever uses Psycho Boost, it would need a White Herb so that it can keep using its special attacks without any issues. Alternatively, Deoxys could be a physical sweeper, and have Psycho Boost as its only special attack; the special attack drop would not affect its physical attacks in any way.
Anyway, Attack Forme Deoxys really can't afford to have an attack miss, so Psycho Boost can be a hefty gamble with it only being 90% accurate. Additionally, the things that I've stated don't take into account held items, since I'd think that Attack Forme Deoxys would often be equipped with the Focus Sash.
MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
Baby Luigi said:
I guess I would think that if you're so scared of Focus Sash or Sturdy getting in your way, that you'd give Attack Forme Deoxys the Focus Sash to deal with its defense issues. That way, even when it's down to just 1 HP, Deoxys can ExtremeSpeed the weakened target with no fears of taking an increased priority attack, except for Fake Out.
Iggy Koopa Jr
scrambled eggs
Not sure why either...
MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
On a subject outside of Deoxys, I'd like Smeargle to get the Prankster ability. When used as a support Pokemon for the double and triple battles, it can use Quick Guard and Wide Guard to defend its teammates, but because Fake Out has the potential to strike before those two moves, having Prankster would ensure that Smeargle will always get Quick Guard or Wide Guard set up.
On the other hand, Prankster would make Smeargle quite annoying by enabling it to relentlessly use Spore on its opponents.
Think of it this way. If Normal Forme Deoxys hits hard and fast with special AND physical attacks, its defenses need to be kept at a fragile level to balance it out; the defenses get weakened even further for the Attack Forme. Whereas, for Speed Forme Deoxys, it's not as big of a powerhouse, so having average defenses is tolerable, despite being the fastest Pokemon, as of the 5th generation. Defense Forme Deoxys is all about defense, so its offenses would obviously need to be kept mediocre; amusingly, my base stat modifications actually nerf Defense Forme Deoxys's offenses, but that's so that it could be a true polar opposite to Attack Forme Deoxys.
670 may be a high base stat total, but it's not broken. Even Arceus has its flaws, as base 120 offenses isn't exactly a strong value by uber standards.
On the other hand, Prankster would make Smeargle quite annoying by enabling it to relentlessly use Spore on its opponents.
Crystal said:
Think of it this way. If Normal Forme Deoxys hits hard and fast with special AND physical attacks, its defenses need to be kept at a fragile level to balance it out; the defenses get weakened even further for the Attack Forme. Whereas, for Speed Forme Deoxys, it's not as big of a powerhouse, so having average defenses is tolerable, despite being the fastest Pokemon, as of the 5th generation. Defense Forme Deoxys is all about defense, so its offenses would obviously need to be kept mediocre; amusingly, my base stat modifications actually nerf Defense Forme Deoxys's offenses, but that's so that it could be a true polar opposite to Attack Forme Deoxys.
670 may be a high base stat total, but it's not broken. Even Arceus has its flaws, as base 120 offenses isn't exactly a strong value by uber standards.
you seem to be forgetting that there is more to arceus than just its offenses, being able to be any solo type and getting a rather impressive move pool, plus arceus is still the top of the threat list with mewtwo even with base 120, not sure why you think its not that threatening.
Overall 100/60/60 defenses are still pretty jokish especially by uber standards and one hit from a powerful attacker such as mewtwo, darkrai, or rayquaza will just turn deoxys into their toilet paper.
Although that would be better overall, it would still go down pretty easy.
Overall 100/60/60 defenses are still pretty jokish especially by uber standards and one hit from a powerful attacker such as mewtwo, darkrai, or rayquaza will just turn deoxys into their toilet paper.
Although that would be better overall, it would still go down pretty easy.
MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
Crystal said:
Don't get me wrong. Arceus IS a beast, but it does not hit as hard as things like Haxorus, Alakazam, and most other uber legendaries; a Magmortar can easily take a non-STABbed Earth Power from Arceus. And of course, it is limited to using only four moves, so covering all the Pokemon types is not possible.
Crystal said:
Well, it is a balancing measure, and it's not like any neutral damage move is going to 1-hit KO a Normal Forme Deoxys with base 100 HP and base 60 defenses (without critical hits being applied); even Slaking may not be able to do it without a Life Orb, Muscle Band, or Choice Band. Anyway, if Mamoswine can survive an Energy Ball from Alakazam (if the Life Orb is not involved), a Normal Forme Deoxys with base 60 special defense and base 100 HP could easily survive a Shadow Ball from Alakazam, if the Life Orb or critical hits are not applied.
Now, another reason for why I wanted to buff up Deoxys is because of its Defense Forme. Attack Forme Deoxys has base 180 offenses, while Speed Forme Deoxys has base 180 speed, so why Defense Forme Deoxys didn't get base 180 defenses is beyond me. Also, there is a bit of a format that my Defense Forme Deoxys base stat spread has been given, which acts as the following...
*All Deoxys Formes have the same base HP; 100.
*Defense Forme Deoxys has the same base offensive values as Normal Forme Deoxys's base defensive values; 60.
*Defense Forme Deoxys has the same base defensive values as Attack Forme Deoxys's base offensive values; 180.
*Defense Forme Deoxys has the same base speed value as Speed Forme Deoxys's base defensive values; 90.
All the other base stat values are mostly random so that each Deoxys Forme has the same base stat total.
*Normal Forme Deoxys and Attack Forme Deoxys have base 150 speed.
*Normal Forme Deoxys has base 150 offenses.
*Attack Forme Deoxys has base 30 defenses.
*Speed Forme Deoxys has base 105 offenses.