Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

Which of the characters do you main?

  • Mario

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Luigi

    Votes: 8 20.5%

  • Peach

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Bowser

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Yoshi

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Rosalina

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Bowser Jr./Koopalings

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Wario

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Mr. Game and Watch

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Donkey Kong

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Diddy Kong

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Link

    Votes: 7 17.9%

  • Zelda

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Shiek

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Ganondorf

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Toon Link

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Samus

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Zero Suit Samus

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Pit

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Palutena

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Marth

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Ike

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Robin

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Kirby

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • King Dedede

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Meta Knight

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Little Mac

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Fox

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Falco

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Charizard

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Lucario

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Jigglypuff

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Greninja

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Duck Hunt

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • ROB

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Ness

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Captain Falcon

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Villager

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Pikmin & Olimar(/Alph)

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Wii Fit Trainer

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Dr. Mario

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Dark Pit

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Lucina

    Votes: 7 17.9%

  • Shulk

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Pac-Man

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Mega Man

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Sonic

    Votes: 8 20.5%

  • Mii Brawler

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Mii Swordsman

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Mii Gunner

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Mewtwo

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Lucas

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Ryu

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Roy

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Cloud Strife

    Votes: 7 17.9%

  • Corrin

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Bayonetta

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • Total voters
    39
Sakurai column from Famitsu. Lucina is practically a full clone and Robin got in over Chrom.

Sakurai: We've just announced two new characters who will be joining the fray in the upcoming Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U. One is Robin, the avatar from Fire Emblem: Awakening, and the other is Lucina, a swordswoman who plays an important role in the same title. I'll skip over the details.

"What? Not Chrom!?" I suspect a lot of you will ask. Of course, Chrom is quite popular, being the protagonist of FE:A and all. However, I chose Robin and Lucina, and I will elaborate on my reasoning.

Robin appears in the game as a Tactician and functions much like a Mystic Knight (note: FF terminology, but equivalent to magic swordsman). I thought to utilize his all-around nature by assigning swordplay to his Smash attacks and magic tomes to his special attacks--that is, allow him to use magic.

His neutral special is thunder magic that grows stronger the larger you charge it. He uses fire magic for his side special, and wind magic for recovery as his up special. Although Robin doesn't use dark magic in FE:A, I decided to assign it as his down special. It isn't the first time I've given moves to a character that they don't use in their respective game in order to capture certain aspects of the original title.

I also implemented the system used in FE:A, in which tomes break after overuse. Likewise, I included a similar system for the Levin Sword, which breaks after a certain number of uses. However, both the tomes and the Levin Sword will quickly regenerate after a set period of time.

Lucina uses the same techniques as Marth, a fighter with whom I'm sure most of you are already familiar. I even went so far as to make their strength, speed, and special attacks almost identical. However, what sets Lucina apart is the fact that the strength of her attacks is uniform along the blade. Marth's playstyle emulates the elegant swordplay of a fencer by dealing more damage when he strikes with the tip of his blade, but the damage Lucina deals is evened out. Thus, I think that Lucina will be much easier than Marth for novice players to play with.

I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means. At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.

Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect!

In the end, if a game isn't fun, then there's no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games.

Initially, I had considered including Lucina as one of Marth's alternate costumes. After all, she has a close relationship with him in FE:A. In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes. The Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers, and Robin are examples of this setup.

However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ. When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot. In that sense, you could say she was very lucky to join the fray!
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So originally, it was to be Marth, Ike, and Chrom was being considered, with Lucina being a costume. Robin was chosen over Chrom and Lucina was later made into her own character.

So Lucina did not take anyone's spot.
 
Why would anybody think Lucina took a potential newcomer's spot to begin with when the amount of effort to put in a clone character is far less than making a brand new character. The only complaint that I've seen is that some people think she should have just stayed as an alternate costume for Marth, I haven't seen any good arguments for that though.
 
That opens up some new opportunities though, such as Dr. Mario or Pichu returning as Alt costumes. I want Mr. L and Dry Bowser so badly...
 
Anyone notice that during the Smash direct. Robin's theme was playing when Tiki's trophy was shown. Guess who ended up playable? Robin.

Guess who's theme played over the King Kihunter trophy?
 
3D Player 2004 said:
I just hope that the Legend of Zelda doesn't get a newcomer.
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If Fire Emblem is getting four characters, then Zelda can get one more. Look at this idea for a trailer I found on SmashBoards.

[quote author=Guy on SmashBoards]It starts out with Link and Zelda stand together with an army of Hylian soldiers as a storm brews. Suddenly, Ganondorf rides from the sky on his phantom horse with the Sword of Sages, bringing with him an army of Bokoblins.
He gets off and and a war between Ganon's minions and Link and Zelda begins. Link and Ganondorf cut through the soldiers and begin an epic sword duel.

Meanwhile a mysterious figure watches from the shadows. This figure creates a series of flying daggers and sends them at the battlefield at high speed.
Back at the battlefield, the knives come at the fighters and Link and Ganondorf barely dodge them.

The mysterious figure leaves his perch and reveals himself to be Ghirahim.
Gameplay trailer then commences, showing Ghirahim and Ganondorf's new sword-based moveset.

This trailer, of course, would be shown in August if Ghirahim's revealed before release, to tie in to Hyrule Warriors.[/quote]
 
GalacticPetey said:
Anyone notice that during the Smash direct. Robin's theme was playing when Tiki's trophy was shown. Guess who ended up playable? Robin.

Guess who's theme played over the King Kihunter trophy?
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who? I didn't watch.
 
3D Player 2004 said:
GalacticPetey said:
Anyone notice that during the Smash direct. Robin's theme was playing when Tiki's trophy was shown. Guess who ended up playable? Robin.

Guess who's theme played over the King Kihunter trophy?
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who? I didn't watch.
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He's from Metroid.
 
GalacticPetey said:
It isn't the first time I've given moves to a character that they don't use in their respective game in order to capture certain aspects of the original title.
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Well, we know this is true. Remember Lucas's moveset?
 
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