Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[LeftyGreenMario]

if melee could handle 8 players (if fps dont matter), the wii u can do 16

Meele couldn't handle 4 pairs of Ice Climbers in Fountain of Dreams or Mute City. It couldn't handle Fountain of Dreams in general.

 

[Magikrazy]

There are five shooters, so it's seven.

Not the Wild Gunmen, I meant the shooter in Duck Hunt's smash attacks, as well as neutral and side special.

 

[Lumastar]

if melee could handle 8 players (if fps dont matter), the wii u can do 16

Meele couldn't handle 4 pairs of Ice Climbers in Fountain of Dreams or Mute City. It couldn't handle Fountain of Dreams in general.

I just wanted to leave this here.

 

[Ray Trace]

I believe the reflection uses an LOD model, just like how you use a LOD model if you're in the magnifying glass. Also, has anyone noticed that your character's model quality actually increases when you pause?

 

[Magikrazy]

I have definitely noticed.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

In Smash 3DS, yeah, you can actually notice the lower-quality LOD (level of detail) models. In training mode, if you use the stop motion mode and zoom in, I believe the model changes too? Mario's hands become freaking mittens. Even with the lower-quality model and reflection, it doesn't appear Meele could handle it.

By the way, the reflection issue doesn't account for the frame rate drop in Mute City.

 

[Time Turner]

Does anyone know which one is Sonic's Spin Dash (side special) and which one is his Spin Charge (down special)? I legitimately have no clue.

 

[Nysic]

aren't they basically the same move

 

[Magikrazy]

iirc you cant charge the side special

 

[Time Turner]

aren't they basically the same move

Basically, yes. Technically, no.

iirc you cant charge the side special

Side charges by holding down the button, down charges by button mashing.

 

[Icemario]

Pretty sure Spin Charge can be faster.

 

[Nysic]

could they really not think of anything better for sonic's moves besides "various types of spinning"

 

[Time Turner]

could they really not think of anything better for sonic's moves besides "various types of spinning"

To be fair, not all of them is him just spinning. One of them is a totally-original spring!

 

[GalacticPetey]

The issue stems from sonic being a very late addition to Brawl. Because of this, his moveset is a little rushed. they didn't want to change him radically in Smash 4 and alienate old Sonic mains. This is the same reason why Ganondorf won't be changing anytime soon.

 

[Nysic]

that shouldn't be an issue, look at how much they changed pit's moveset from brawl

 

[Lumastar]

could they really not think of anything better for sonic's moves besides "various types of spinning"

To be fair all of his spinning moves do call back to his series at least. It likely also saved time when developing his moveset back in the Brawl days.

EDIT: Greninja'd.

that shouldn't be an issue, look at how much they changed pit's moveset from brawl

But Pit's the "special one."

 

[Time Turner]

that shouldn't be an issue, look at how much they changed pit's moveset from brawl

And to compensate, we have two of him.

So this has kinda strayed from my original question...

 

[GalacticPetey]

Sakurai bias.

 

[Weasel]

So this has kinda strayed from my original question...

i'm like 90% certain that the bottom picture is down b

 

[Lumastar]

So this has kinda strayed from my original question...

i'm like 90% certain that the bottom picture is down b

Yeah, it looks like it has more power in it.

 

[Glitchy Bowser Jr.]

The issue stems from sonic being a very late addition to Brawl. Because of this, his moveset is a little rushed. they didn't want to change him radically in Smash 4 and alienate old Sonic mains. This is the same reason why Ganondorf won't be changing anytime soon.

But Black Shadow

 

[Tyrell Badd]

I think it's safe to say that we all know Sakurai is full of shit when it comes to some of the things he says. The "alienating playerbase if character is changed drastically" is just one example. Look at Pit. Look at Bowser, who probably got the biggest change from Brawl to Smash 4.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

Even Mayro got a change. A pretty drastic one. From Meele to Barlw.

 

[Glitchy Bowser Jr.]

Also Ganondorf's extreme nerf in Brawl probably completely alienated Melee Ganon players.

 

[GalacticPetey]

I think that's more about Sakurai not knowing how to balance a character.