United States Presidential Election, 2012

Bulbasaur said:
liberals always have some excuse they trot out to explain why things like the above are not actually obamas fault

but if we had a republican president the liberals would blame him for everything that goes wrong, and youd be the one making excuses
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The hilarious thing is that you pretend you're different. Your party is the one who accused the president of being a Muslim Socialist Communist Atheist Gay Fascist Terrorist who wasn't born in America. And these were mainstream conservatives saying this sort of thing about Obama. The worst things that were said about Bush (i.e. "he caused 9/11") were said by fringe loonies who no one cared about.

Marx said:
Radagast the Brown said:
Koopa Kid said:
Obama is bad
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Of course he is. I mean, he's a real dick for delivering good change that he promised you all when he was elected.
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ahahahahano

Let's see all the change Obama has made

Bush was quite the spendaholic, but the debt went up more under Obama than under any other president

Gas prices are 1.74 more than they were the day Obama was sworn in

Obama promised to lower unemployment to...what was it? 5.6%? But nope it's 8% and still climbing

And the number people on food stamps has risen from 32 million to over 46.4 million

note that this is outdated information so all this is still getting worse i might add

Yep look at all the good change Obama has made.
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I'd rather take an inept but well-meaning president over an inept and malicious one. Romney is steadily revealing himself to be both a fucking idiot and a mean-spirited elitist.
 
The last presidential debate is tonight. I am greatly anticipating this.
 
>Pyro posts in a politics thread
> :eek:

Well, I'm watching the debate tonight, fully. Unlike the other two.

I really am undecided. I mean, I can't vote yet, but I don't exactly support anyone fully. Yet.
 
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
Bulbasaur said:
liberals always have some excuse they trot out to explain why things like the above are not actually obamas fault

but if we had a republican president the liberals would blame him for everything that goes wrong, and youd be the one making excuses
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The hilarious thing is that you pretend you're different. Your party is the one who accused the president of being a Muslim Socialist Communist Atheist Gay Fascist Terrorist who wasn't born in America. And these were mainstream conservatives saying this sort of thing about Obama. The worst things that were said about Bush (i.e. "he caused 9/11") were said by fringe loonies who no one cared about.
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You know, I really don't like it when things are generalized like that. One enters a political debate and makes a statement, or even just a mere observation, and they are immediately put into a broad category. If you dare say anything against democrats, you're labeled a republican. If you say something against republicans, you're branded a democrat. If you're not left, you must be right, and vice versa, there can be no other option. Etc. etc.

This is a very ignorant way to make assumptions. Leading a country is a very, very intricate responsibility. There are so many factors to calculate, so many fine mechanics that determine the path a country is going to take, conveying this massive scale of individual elements in one simple term is ridiculous. No political stance is ever absolute. If you're left, you will inevitably not embrace all that is left (otherwise you'd be some sort of robot, or weird caricature of a human being). Some of your beliefs will be more in accordance to right-wing territory. You might also think that some of the things your left-wing buddies believe or do is completely ridiculous, and state this, even though your political stance still remains left. The reverse, naturally, also holds true. Nobody is 100% right either.

So in this vein, someone expressing an opinion that calls a single democratic viewpoint into question does not automatically have to be a republican. Humans are perfectly able to call the stance of their own team into question, and be vocal about it. Continuous self-reflection is how strong and individual opinions are formed, and how mistakes are minimized.

Having assumptions thrown at you for making a statement is a big part of the reason why political debates are largely viewed as breeding grounds for grudges, broken friendships, and hatred. <_>
 
Bulbasaur said:
liberals always have some excuse they trot out to explain why things like the above are not actually obamas fault

but if we had a republican president the liberals would blame him for everything that goes wrong, and youd be the one making excuses
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fair enough

Gideon Gordon Graves said:
I'd rather take an inept but well-meaning president over an inept and malicious one. Romney is steadily revealing himself to be both a fucking idiot and a mean-spirited elitist.
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Not to sound like a stereotypical silly republican/conservative dumbass but Obama's not the most well meaning president either.
 
Bulbasaur said:
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
The hilarious thing is that you pretend you're different. Your party is the one who accused the president of being a Muslim Socialist Communist Atheist Gay Fascist Terrorist who wasn't born in America. And these were mainstream conservatives saying this sort of thing about Obama. The worst things that were said about Bush (i.e. "he caused 9/11") were said by fringe loonies who no one cared about.
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no, thats the opposite of what i was saying. both parties are the same, and their fanboys (and girls) blindly spew shit all over the other party's candidates no matter what happens, while defending their own from all criticism

and i dont support either one of them, so im not sure what "your party" is. im socially liberal and economically "liberal", so if anything its the democrats. but i dont actually support the democrats because both american political parties inevitably curtail people's liberty by forcing them to choose between two narrowly defined, practically identical platforms, rather than actually voting in line with the way they believe the country should be run
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oh i'm sorry :(

I fail. My bad.

Charmander said:
You know, I really don't like it when things are generalized like that. One enters a political debate and makes a statement, or even just a mere observation, and they are immediately put into a broad category. If you dare say anything against democrats, you're labeled a republican. If you say something against republicans, you're branded a democrat. If you're not left, you must be right, and vice versa, there can be no other option. Etc. etc.

This is a very ignorant way to make assumptions. Leading a country is a very, very intricate responsibility. There are so many factors to calculate, so many fine mechanics that determine the path a country is going to take, conveying this massive scale of individual elements in one simple term is ridiculous. No political stance is ever absolute. If you're left, you will inevitably not embrace all that is left (otherwise you'd be some sort of robot, or weird caricature of a human being). Some of your beliefs will be more in accordance to right-wing territory. You might also think that some of the things your left-wing buddies believe or do is completely ridiculous, and state this, even though your political stance still remains left. The reverse, naturally, also holds true. Nobody is 100% right either.

So in this vein, someone expressing an opinion that calls a single democratic viewpoint into question does not automatically have to be a republican. Humans are perfectly able to call the stance of their own team into question, and be vocal about it. Continuous self-reflection is how strong and individual opinions are formed, and how mistakes are minimized.

Having assumptions thrown at you for making a statement is a big part of the reason why political debates are largely viewed as breeding grounds for grudges, broken friendships, and hatred. <_>
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Uh. Okay. That was an awfully big rant for a dumbass comment I made 'cause I was in a bad mood after arguing politics with my grandfather.

Sorry, it just kind of took me off guard, 'cause to be honest that sounded like the sort of rant that I would post. I feel I've been misunderstood. I agree with you and Bulbasaur. I didn't really get what he was saying and I was pissed off already and eager to get into a political fight. I apologize.
 
It wasn't solely directed at you. It applies to the situation, but this is also something that puts me off with political discussions in general. It's the reason why I avoid political debates online like the plague. The situation presented a good opportunity to get it off my chest without disconnecting from the issue at hand.
 
naw, its because us pokémon have to stick together

ehehehe
 
Marx said:
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
I'd rather take an inept but well-meaning president over an inept and malicious one. Romney is steadily revealing himself to be both a fucking idiot and a mean-spirited elitist.
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Not to sound like a stereotypical silly republican/conservative dumbass but Obama's not the most well meaning president either.
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Apparently neither has every single president to date. They've all made mistakes, but they do mean to make the country a better place, if it means sacrificing a little bit. Heck, even Bush wanted to make the country a better place, albeit he didn't do much, goong in the stupidest way possible.
 
...yeah, he really should have goonged differently.

sorry, sorry

but, seriously, from whence springs this conviction that the underlying motives of these people are pure? it seems like a very unlikely proposition to me
 
Bulbasaur said:
but, seriously, from whence springs this conviction that the underlying motives of these people are pure? it seems like a very unlikely proposition to me
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this

Although I suppose Gary Johnson can't really be supporting himself when he supports drug legalization, because he's an athlete...
 
Radagast the Brown said:
Heck, even Bush wanted to make the country a better place, albeit he didn't do much, goong in the stupidest way possible.
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Yeah, Bush made a lot of mistakes, but he meant well and is a decent guy by all accounts.

Bulbasaur said:
but, seriously, from whence springs this conviction that the underlying motives of these people are pure? it seems like a very unlikely proposition to me
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I think Obama means well because he hasn't taken the nasty shots and underhanded blows that Romney has, and maybe I'm just buying into his propaganda, but he seems genuinely sincere and well-meaning.

Romney, however, insulted 47% of America, wants to subjugate gays and women, and he was even a dick as a kid (isn't it uplifting to know that, in this day and age, the embodiment of everyone you hate in high school can get the GOP nomination for president?).
 
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
Romney, however, insulted 47% of America, wants to subjugate gays and women, and he was even a dick as a kid (isn't it uplifting to know that, in this day and age, the embodiment of everyone you hate in high school can get the GOP nomination for president?).
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Not to mention that he also traveled across seas to Europe and insulted many different countries there too.
 
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
Blastoise said:
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
...and he was even a dick as a kid
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weren't we all

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I dunno, did we all pin down a gay kid and chop off his hair?
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I dunno, have you been listening to the liberal version of FOX News?

Also, I remember how Gingrich actually knew more about what Perry was going to remove then he did. Funny.
 
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
You win everything.
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i stole it from some guy on tumblr, so they should get at least part of everything

maybe you want to hold back on giving away everything until we see whether or not mario turns out to be obama, though
 
Blastoise said:
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
Blastoise said:
Gideon Gordon Graves said:
...and he was even a dick as a kid
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weren't we all

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I dunno, did we all pin down a gay kid and chop off his hair?
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I dunno, have you been listening to the liberal version of FOX News?
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OH SNAP

but seriously

http://gothamist.com/2012/05/10/young_mitt_romney_pinned_down_gay_b.php
http://www.freep.com/article/20120513/COL04/205130507/Editorial-What-the-haircut-incident-says-about-Romney
http://www.freep.com/article/20120510/NEWS15/120510027/Romney-Cranbrook-prank-haircut
 
Today I find out the results of the in-school election where I ran as Gary Johnson.

I have three confirmed votes for me. And one of those is my own. >_>
 
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