Who are you voting for (or would vote for if you could)?

[Stargazing]

Well Cruz is out of the running now.

isn't every republican but trump out

 

[Kerrigan]

Well Cruz is out of the running now.

isn't every republican but trump out

Yes

 

[Viper26]

Sanders would be running America like if it is the united Socialist States of America with his ideas with the lower class and free college tuitions.

you sound like free college tuition are a bad thing

also, you're only saying "socialist" because it's the hip and trendy buzzword that conservatives use that they actually don't know the meaning of

Well I know the meaning of Socialist countries. The problem about Sanders is that he is making the people that can't afford a lot be able to do things people with jobs can do.

 

[Ray Trace]

The problem about Sanders is that he is making the people that can't afford a lot be able to do things people with jobs can do.

that's a problem with him?

considering my financially struggling, extremely hard-working family, making college far less expensive is one of the best things in the world

 

[Viper26]

But I do like that he will make college cost less

 

[Andymii]

The problem about Sanders is that he is making the people that can't afford a lot be able to do things people with jobs can do.

that's a problem with him?

considering my financially struggling, extremely hard-working family, making college far less expensive is one of the best things in the world

I'm not old enough for this to personally affect me yet (so pardon me if I sound ignorant), but there's truth in both arguments. Idealistically, it sounds great if everyone who worked equally as hard got paid equally. At the same time, it also seems unreasonable to the current middle class who have already worked hard to establish their financial position for lower-income lazier (unlike some of the hard-working ones, who legitimately deserve a boost) folks to suddenly start to catch up. The sad truth is also that hard work does not directly correlate with more pay as much as we think; I could mow lawns for a living and work an admirable amount of hours, but I'll never even make close to many other jobs that arguably use just as much "work."

But yeah, cheap college sounds like a great idea. I'm not saying that education is everything, but it's pretty important when getting a job. The saddest thing is when a student with a lot of potential is not able to attend university due to financial reasons and ultimately remains in poverty.

 

[DragonFreak]

At the same time, it also seems unreasonable to the current middle class who have already worked hard to establish their financial position for lower-income lazier (unlike some of the hard-working ones, who legitimately deserve a boost) folks to suddenly start to catch up.

Low income does not equal lazier by any standards. Maybe sometimes, but DEFINITELY not all the time.

 

[Ray Trace]

y'know andymii, the whole lazy low-income welfare leecher stereotype is simply just that: a stereotype. the vast majority of lower-income people work extremely hard, harder than they should. we don't need to invoke that argument when most lower income people aren't lazy people at all.

you're probably right on being too young to understand this but...there's a crapton of variables and situations that affect people's finances that they can't control at all.

 

[Andymii]

lower-income lazier (unlike some of the hard-working ones, who legitimately deserve a boost)

Crap, I worded that REALLY poorly. The arguement's more like "people who are low-income AND lazy get a boost as well, which is unfair to their harder working peers, whether they be low income or high income." Nothing against low-income users getting advancing, but with many things, the lazy few will benefit on the tail of their hardworking fellow citizens. I appreciate Bernie's ideas, but that's just a flaw I spotted.

And no, I don't belive in any way low-income people in general are lazy. That's ridiculous, I hope I'm not that uninformed. :P

 

[Nysic]

Like BLOF said, the problem with that argument is the fact that the overwhelming majority of people with low-income aren't "lazy" at all. Just think about it: if you worked a minimum-wage job, do you think you would be working hard to get everything you could out of it, or doing the bare minimum? I'd assume the former.

If Bernie succeeded in everything that he wanted to do (Which he obviously won't, even if he gets re-elected for another term in 2020), sure, the 3 Americans who don't "deserve" financial aid will get undeserved help, but nearly everyone else will benefit in some way.

 

[Andymii]

Like BLOF said, the problem with that argument is the fact that the overwhelming majority of people with low-income aren't "lazy" at all. Just think about it: if you worked a minimum-wage job, do you think you would be working hard to get everything you could out of it, or doing the bare minimum? I'd assume the former.

If Bernie succeeded in everything that he wanted to do (Which he obviously won't, even if he gets re-elected for another term in 2020), sure, the 3 Americans who don't "deserve" financial aid will get undeserved help, but nearly everyone else will benefit in some way.

It's hard to put tnis exactly into words, but I'm not quite sure what to think when a minimum-wage worker makes more than before and has an easier time advancing up towards the current middle class, who had to go through a much harder version of the same process. At the same time, I understand why people apply for minimum-wage jobs. There's a variety of reasons, one of them being lack of education; that's why I'd support lowering college costs (if it's possible), as that's a fair way to get everyone to the same level so the only deciding factor is work ethic, something (unlike how rich your family is) that is completely up to you.

 

[PrinceLarryKoopa88]

Well guys this is looking very stressful on political parties. This could be the end of one party, the ebd of both, or the end of our entire "Republic" in general. I wish you all good luck.

 

[Nysic]

Like BLOF said, the problem with that argument is the fact that the overwhelming majority of people with low-income aren't "lazy" at all. Just think about it: if you worked a minimum-wage job, do you think you would be working hard to get everything you could out of it, or doing the bare minimum? I'd assume the former.

If Bernie succeeded in everything that he wanted to do (Which he obviously won't, even if he gets re-elected for another term in 2020), sure, the 3 Americans who don't "deserve" financial aid will get undeserved help, but nearly everyone else will benefit in some way.

It's hard to put tnis exactly into words, but I'm not quite sure what to think when a minimum-wage worker makes more than before and has an easier time advancing up towards the current middle class, who had to go through a much harder version of the same process.

The truth is that lower-class Americans are some of the hardest workers out there, but they become victims of financial factors that they can't control, and can't get out of poverty no matter how hard they work. That's an effect of capitalism; the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.

Another thing you have to understand is that the current middle class didn't go through a "tougher process" at all. The minimum wage hasn't changed in decades, and due to inflation, 7 dollars when all of our parents were kids was worth a lot more than it is now. If anything, it was easier for them (Well, unless they weren't white and straight).

 

[Andymii]

Like BLOF said, the problem with that argument is the fact that the overwhelming majority of people with low-income aren't "lazy" at all. Just think about it: if you worked a minimum-wage job, do you think you would be working hard to get everything you could out of it, or doing the bare minimum? I'd assume the former.

If Bernie succeeded in everything that he wanted to do (Which he obviously won't, even if he gets re-elected for another term in 2020), sure, the 3 Americans who don't "deserve" financial aid will get undeserved help, but nearly everyone else will benefit in some way.

It's hard to put tnis exactly into words, but I'm not quite sure what to think when a minimum-wage worker makes more than before and has an easier time advancing up towards the current middle class, who had to go through a much harder version of the same process.

If anything, it was easier for them (Well, unless they weren't white and straight).

Or immigrants. Personally, my parents were poor Chinese immigrants who had to work super hard now I think about it, so perhaps I'm biased on the matter.

 

[Mintiously]

NOBODY. ALL THE CANIDATES SUCK TO ME.

 

[Hobbes]

Let's make something clear, nothing the government gives is ever "free". So don't talk about "free tuition", "free healthcare", etc.; it's tax-funded tuition and tax-funded healthcare. And that money in the end will come from the taxpayers, and not the big companies as Sanders wants it to be; if you start taxing the big companies more they'll just move their operations to other countries, it has happened in every single country that has done so. The US is already losing a lot of industry to countries like Mexico, and making the companies have to pay more will just cut more jobs in the US as those companies move to other countries.

I'm not saying tax-funded stuff is bad, I just want people to know it's not free. Nothing the government ever gives is free, they are only giving you back a portion of the money you pay in taxes in some specific ways.

 

[Specific Neptune]

Well guys this is looking very stressful on political parties. This could be the end of one party, the ebd of both, or the end of our entire "Republic" in general. I wish you all good luck.

you act like nuclear was was fucking declared, calm down, nothing has happened yet, and probably never will

Let's make something clear, nothing the government gives is ever "free". So don't talk about "free tuition", "free healthcare", etc.; it's tax-funded tuition and tax-funded healthcare. And that money in the end will come from the taxpayers, and not the big companies as Sanders wants it to be; if you start taxing the big companies more they'll just move their operations to other countries, it has happened in every single country that has done so. The US is already losing a lot of industry to countries like Mexico, and making the companies have to pay more will just cut more jobs in the US as those companies move to other countries.

I'm not saying tax-funded stuff is bad, I just want people to know it's not free. Nothing the government ever gives is free, they are only giving you back a portion of the money you pay in taxes in some specific ways.

i feel that it's easier if everyone pays a few hundred bucks more each year to help out those who can't pay for healthcare, then have to pay thousands themselves to even be seen by a doctor

in fact it's probably not even hundreds, it's a meager tax raise, and people are throwing shit about it

it's not free, but it's the next best thing. The way it is now, a dying homeless man could walk into a hospital and the physicians would have to turn him away, so that he can die in the cold, all because he couldn't pay for help

not everybody is going to hospital, not everybody is going to college, but when somebody who thought they were well off loses everything and gets hurt, they should be able to thank their stars that they don't have to pay upfront to get healthcare

 

[Hobbes]

Yes, I'm not arguing that it's bad, I'm just making the differentiation between genuinely free things and tax-funded things.

 

[Specific Neptune]

Yes, I'm not arguing that it's bad, I'm just making the differentiation between genuinely free things and tax-funded things.

oh no don't worry, i wasn't arguing with you

i could never argue with my tucky-wucky-woo <3

 

[Hobbes]

Yes, I'm not arguing that it's bad, I'm just making the differentiation between genuinely free things and tax-funded things.

oh no don't worry, i wasn't arguing with you

i could never argue with my tucky-wucky-woo <3

come hug me neppy <3


Reading through the last page, about that possible Clinton/Sanders ticket. In theory it would sound good; both sides would get a share of what they want. In practice, I'm afraid it would fail miserably. Clinton's supporters don't like Sanders and viceversa. A ticket like that would make the Democrats lose the votes of those who aren't avid Clinton or Sanders supporters because they don't like the other person in the ticket.

 

[Kerrigan]

NOBODY. ALL THE CANIDATES SUCK TO ME.

^This is my exact opinion right here, folks

 

[Ray Trace]

you can't complain if you don't vote

 

[Kerrigan]

you can't complain if you don't vote

I really wish this were 2020 and I was 18 so I could vote. We 14-year-olds get left outta everything ;_;

 

[Meta Knight]

That's nothing, try being fucking 17 and not being able to vote.

 

[Shyghoul]

That's nothing, try being fucking 17 and not being able to vote.

this so much

but tbh i'd probably go with the libertarian canidate who has no chance of winning, so it's not like my vote would really matter lol