Mario & Luigi: Brothership

Wendy O. Koopa said:
That really reminds me-does anyone else here really miss those big instruction manuals that used to come with games that told you about everything in the game and everything to do in the game and how to do it, about the game's enemies, etc? I miss that era. I think that era ended around 2007 or so because I noticed that's when Nintendo DS manuals started getting really short and only really outlining health and safety and the buttons and what they did and stuff, and just basic info about how to play the game. How boring.....😒
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Yep, my Super Paper Mario manual is kinda crinkly because of the sheer amount of times I would spend sitting in the family living room reading it as a kid. I still remember how much wonderment I felt every time. Stuff like re-reading the classic intro story, wondering what the silhouette girl really looked like, learning about the Pixls I hadn't gotten yet and being able to only imagine what could come next. Good times.
 
@MiracleDinner Yeah I know; first console and handheld I grew up playing as a kid was the Nintendo Game Boy Advance SP. I remember how the manuals would tell you with each game about the story, characters, enemies (with most of them), etc. It was really fun reading all that. Like not only would they do that with Nintendo titles, but also other licensed titles, like Shrek, etc.
 
Wendy O. Koopa said:
That really reminds me-does anyone else here really miss the long bygone era of those big instruction manuals that used to come with games that told you about everything in the game and everything to do in the game and how to do it and the story of what's in the game, info about every single one of the game's enemies and bosses, etc? I miss that era. I think that era ended around 2007 or so because I noticed that's when Nintendo DS manuals started getting really short and only really outlining health and safety and the buttons and what they did and stuff, and just basic info about how to play the game. How boring.....😒
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I still have my Mario Galaxy and Sticker Star manuals. (Yes, Sticker Star had a manual.)
 
So does Starlow have the same role in this game as in past M&L titles, being the Bros.' companion?

I'm guessing not because I heard she hangs out with Peach now? Was her previous role taken by the flying piggy bank thing?
 
MartinetIsBestMario said:
Yeah. . .

Kevin Afghani STILL Doesn't sound good as Mario; Charles Martinet is STILL My Favorite VA for Mario. . . the Only Mario voice good enough for me; is a Voice that sounds A LOT More like the voice we got from Charles Martinet for 27 years. . . Like the Brazillian Voice Actor, Raphael Rossatto from the Movie, Who CLEARLY based HIS Voice performance off of the Iconic Charles Martinet Voice(Instead of Sounding like Emmett Brickowski doing an Impression of Rocket Raccoon like we got in English)
It's clear at this point after 2 games, Super Mario Bros Wonder, as well as Mario & Luigi: Brothership; Kevin's NOT going to give me the kind of Mario Voice I WANNA Hear from him; aka one that sounds like that of Charles Martinet's Iconic Performances

and I Really hope that Bowser DOESN'T become the main antagonist AGAIN like he did in Dream Team & Paper Jam. . .

Seriously; THAT'S What the Mainline Mario games are for; Spin-offs should be allowed to be different; INCLUDING HAVING DIFFERENT MAIN ANTAGONISTS THAT AREN'T JUST BOWSER LIKE IN THE MAINLINE MARIO GAMES!!

That's One Reason I've become so Apathetic to M&L, and didn't miss it at all(Still Don't)

Because I Get SICK of seeing Bowser as the Main Antagonist in the Mario Spin-off Games; aka the Games; THAT ARE ALLOWED to be Different; solely because they're Spin-off games; which means; they are NOT obligated to keep Bowser as the Main Antagonist in these games like they are in the Mainline Games; Because in Spin-off games; we can see Mario & Bowser team up against a common enemy; Like against Fawful in Bowser's Inside Story; or against Cosma in Mario + Rabbids: Spark of Hope; or Against King Olly in The Origami King; or against Count Bleck in Super Paper Mario, or against Lord Smithy in Super Mario RPG
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You were right to not want Bowser to be the final boss.

It's unfortunate some people were rude to you for expressing this, when the game is so much better off by not having Bowser as a final boss. Bowser as a secondary antagonist/ally in RPGs allows for opportunity to flesh out his character, and the final boss Reclusa was necessary for the story Brothership tells of real world connections vs technological isolation.

That aside, I think Kevin Afghani did a great job doing the Italian gibberish.
 
Wintertime Peach said:
So does Starlow have the same role in this game as in past M&L titles, being the Bros.' companion?

I'm guessing not because I heard she hangs out with Peach now? Was her previous role taken by the flying piggy bank thing?
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No. She's an NPC with her role taken by the flying piggy bank thing. The two have some cute interactions in the story.
 
I finally beat the game! Not 100% though, as I have a few challenges to do but I'll do those on my own time.

What a fantastic game! I'll make a review and post my thoughts on this thread soon. It was a little on the long side, but hey, that's better than a short game right?

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I liked Zokket and the Extension Corps, but when this guy showed up I was very surprised. The final area was awesome and so is a sequence that happens midway through (no spoilers about what that is)! And of course the fight was very well done. I'll safely say this game has the best and most fun boss battles in the series.
 
While I enjoyed the game, I think I'm most disappointed by the soundtrack. Not for the reasons a lot of others are, though. I personally love the boss theme, and many of the island themes are great too (some standouts for me are the inside of the Lottacoins building and Heatfreeze). The issue lies with
Why didn't Zokket get a unique battle theme? As I've stated, I do really like the boss theme, and it worked well for the other bosses, but it makes no sense for Zokket to still use it.
 
This game did drag on a bit but I thought it was a great game and even got very dark and creepy towards the end. The final boss is my new favorite one of the series. My best original game of the year for sure, but hard to say if it beats the Paper Mario: Thousand-Year Door remake for best game overall.

I want to say that I thought Kevin Afghani did a great job as Mario and Luigi's voice actor for this game and was on par with
Charles Martinet's work. It barely even sounded like the voice actor changed at all.

With the game's overall concept being bonds vs loneliness, may as well throw in an iconic Kingdom Hearts quote "My friends are my power!"
 
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Can't comment on the final boss yet, but I will later if you like!
winstein said:
Does Luigi have an entire chapter dedicated to rescuing Mario, like in Superstar Saga, Bowser's Inside Story, and Paper Jam?
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We come to find out that a deity summoned the bros to save the kingdom. I haven't finished yet, but it seems to be because of Luigi Logic. Like, it's a connection he has with the land, kind of like sleeping in Dream Team.
As for a dedicated chapter, not really. There's the choice of having a little blip of just Luigi but it doesn't last more than five minutes and is more about Mario getting to Luigi. There is a portion where the bros get separated, which is very similar to the way the older games played (Mario and Luigi splitting up and being independently controllable, kind of like Joke's End), and of course there's Luigi Logic in battles and the overworld, but beyond that, there's not a whole lot of Luigi's shining moments.
 
Mags said:
Can't comment on the final boss yet, but I will later if you like!

We come to find out that a deity summoned the bros to save the kingdom. I haven't finished yet, but it seems to be because of Luigi Logic. Like, it's a connection he has with the land, kind of like sleeping in Dream Team.
As for a dedicated chapter, not really. There's the choice of having a little blip of just Luigi but it doesn't last more than five minutes and is more about Mario getting to Luigi. There is a portion where the bros get separated, which is very similar to the way the older games played (Mario and Luigi splitting up and being independently controllable, kind of like Joke's End), and of course there's Luigi Logic in battles and the overworld, but beyond that, there's not a whole lot of Luigi's shining moments.
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Awesome, thank you for the response!

It is one of my wishes for this series to have a part where Mario rescues Luigi because then I can feel that they are equals since we've seen more of Luigi rescuing Mario at crucial moments, so the absence of a high-stakes situation where Mario rescues Luigi is felt (especially for this series).

I hope that I am not troubling you with another question: is Snoutlet generally hard on Mario, similar to how Starlow is generally hard on Luigi? This possibility is brought up when I posited that one way Mario could benefit from this series is to have a supporting character not being goody-goody with Mario so that he could benefit from an interesting characterisation, but that was before the game was released. Now that it is released, we have a better idea on Snoutlet's personality to determine if Mario has a (non-villainous) character who thinks that Mario isn't all that.

Thank you for reading.
 
winstein said:
Awesome, thank you for the response!

It is one of my wishes for this series to have a part where Mario rescues Luigi because then I can feel that they are equals since we've seen more of Luigi rescuing Mario at crucial moments, so the absence of a high-stakes situation where Mario rescues Luigi is felt (especially for this series).

I hope that I am not troubling you with another question: is Snoutlet generally hard on Mario, similar to how Starlow is generally hard on Luigi? This possibility is brought up when I posited that one way Mario could benefit from this series is to have a supporting character not being goody-goody with Mario so that he could benefit from an interesting characterisation, but that was before the game was released. Now that it is released, we have a better idea on Snoutlet's personality to determine if Mario has a (non-villainous) character who thinks that Mario isn't all that.

Thank you for reading.
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Actually no. He seems pretty flat tbh. But no, he doesn't really pick on either bro.
 
Well I haven't played this game yet but I'm glad to see everyone in this thread really likes it. I might watch a full playthrough at some point as I myself kind of struggle with these types of games.
 
I like the difficulty of this game. I noticed it was tougher than the previous games - stronger enemies (especially near the end) are the main factor here. The Battle Plugs are all unique and serve different purposes, so maybe that's why they're tougher?

But now that I 100% the game, I know what to expect when I play it again!
 
As a whole, this is a great game, but this is 100% not the game to start with in the series.
 
Mags said:
As a whole, this is a great game, but this is 100% not the game to start with in the series.
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I would say, if you were completely new to RPGs and had never played one before, you should start with Paper Mario 64. (Or Superstar Saga)
 
yoshibro75 said:
I would say, if you were completely new to RPGs and had never played one before, you should start with Paper Mario 64. (Or Superstar Saga)
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Yeah if you started with this one, based on how hard everyone seems to be saying it is, you would probably be absolutely confused and panicked not knowing what to do.
 
Wendy O. Koopa said:
Yeah if you started with this one, based on how hard everyone seems to be saying it is, you would probably be absolutely confused and panicked not knowing what to do.
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Not necessarily for the difficulty (though that is a factor), but because of how different it is from the rest of the series. The best comparison I can make is how The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is different from the rest of the series. The difference with Brothership isn't nearly as drastic, but because of several of the stark differences - Luigi being largely AI, the changes that come from a leap to a non-dual-screen console, slight differences in the basic battle system, and so forth - I feel it'd be better for most players to become familiar with the previous games before going on to Brothership.
 
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