Can Town (The Official Homestuck Thread)

Favorite Troll?

  • Aradia Megido

    Votes: 10 16.1%

  • Tavros Nitram

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Sollux Captor

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Karkat Vantas

    Votes: 24 38.7%

  • Nepeta Leijon

    Votes: 15 24.2%

  • Kanaya Maryam

    Votes: 8 12.9%

  • Terezi Pyrope

    Votes: 21 33.9%

  • Vriska Serket

    Votes: 10 16.1%

  • Equius Zahhak

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Gamzee Makara

    Votes: 7 11.3%

  • Eridan Ampora

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Feferi Peixes

    Votes: 9 14.5%
  • Total voters
    62
But she wasn't gambling her life for a just cause at that moment, she was gambling it to troll Terezi, and she didn't think she could lose, so Doc Scratch's full-of-himself narration aside, from Vriska's POV, it wasn't a gamble at all. It was one last chance to jerk her old frenemy around before flying off to be the big hero - since, as she told John, there was a very real chance that she was gonna die fighting jack. THAT was a gamble, and making it would have been Heroic, but she never got to that point - she was, however, resolved to make it at that point, and had been gearing up for it and was about to go, which is why I think her death would still count as Heroic. Not because she wilfully let Terezi kill her, because she didn't, but because she was killed for her resolve to kill a villain who deserved to be slain - thus making her a martyr, albeit an unwilling one, but who says martyrs have to accept being killed? Not me.

"accepting" i think means something different to you than it does to us

like sure, you are accepting the possibility of something happening as a future that may or may not exist. i really don't think that means you either 1. somehow want it to happen or 2. are okay with that something happening

choosing to gamble doesn't mean you're alright with the negative outcome (although that can be the case). it just means that you are willing to risk a negative outcome for the possibility of a good outcome

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this whole discussion is suddenly so meta i can't really figure out how to put my words together in ways that make sense. therefore i shall resort to BASIC STATEMENTS such as

taking a gamble does not necessarily mean you agree with all possible outcomes
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I agree with this.

Including the meta part. Homestuck, and Vriska, and many other characters, are great for mind bending, deep and divisive discussions, and whatnot. They should teach a HS course in a university somewhere: many essays could be written about it.
 
Walkazo said:
But she wasn't gambling her life for a just cause at that moment, she was gambling it to troll Terezi, and she didn't think she could lose, so Doc Scratch's full-of-himself narration aside, from Vriska's POV, it wasn't a gamble at all.
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"so that passage that supports your theory and speaks against mine aside"

Yeah, that's real fair. Great.



I'm going to end my involvement in this debate here. I'm basically just reiterating my arguments at this point and I don't want to run in circles until I trip up somewhere.

I feel like I have elaborated on and supported my theory enough for it to hold water. You don't have to agree with it, but I stand by my statement that it is plausible. Not binding, just plausible.
 
I'm talking about whether she views it as a gamble, not whether it was or wasn't actually a gamble outside of her delusional little world, which is what Doc was talking about when he said it was a gamble - which I acknowledged hours ago, when I re-read the passage and realized that I had initially spoken too broadly. And the reason I make that distinction is because what you think and what is real are often not the same thing (unless you're omniscient), and as they say, it's the thought that counts. She thought there was 100% chance she'd live, so it wasn't a gamble to her, because to gamble, there needs to be a chance that you'll lose. (But she was wrong, it was a gamble, and she lost.)

Of course, that wasn't even the main point I was trying to make with my last post, but whatever, I'm done with this too. Just wanted to clarify my stance after that rude and sarcastic little parting shot there - if there's one thing I dislike more than spinning my wheels, it's being misrepresented.
 
https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/eternity-served-cold

I've probably never mentioned it, but I really like this song. The different variations of English's theme are usually pretty neat in general.
 
that one's pretty great, yeah

i haven't gotten around to listening to all the albums yet, but that's because there's so much i already like! for example

Temporal Shenanigans, which is basically Aradia's song. Great vocals and such. Also Rex Duodecim Angelus, which is a musical interpretation of the trolls' fight against the Black King.

My favorite albums so far are coloUrs and mayhem: Universe A, which has good tracks for all the trolls and ancestors, and AlterniaBound, which has a bunch of the themes from the troll flashes and a couple new instrumentals.
 
Speaking of Rex Duodecim Angelus: A lot of hamsteakers probably already know about it, but a fan-made flash animation going along with the song has been out for a couple months now.


As I said, probably old news already, but on the off-chance somebody here hasn't seen it yet, I recommend checking it out.
 
If they ever convert Homestuck into a TV show or something, I really hope they show the Trolls fighting the Black King, and that they use that video as the basis. It's so damn impressive.

Javelin said:
i haven't gotten around to listening to all the albums yet, but that's because there's so much i already like! for example
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I've listened to Volumes 1-9 (8 and 9 are my faves), coloUrs and mayhem: Universe A (which I also love; bonus points for British/Canadian spelling, f-yeah), and Cherubim (of which, "Eternity Served Cold" is definitely my top track); listening to the rest is definitely on my to-do list... But yeah, I have a similar problem in that I am perfectly happy to sit and listen to the same batch of albums I already know on endless loops, they're just so good.
 
Walkazo said:
But yeah, I have a similar problem in that I am perfectly happy to sit and listen to the same batch of albums I already know on endless loops, they're just so good.
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Well, you're better than me. At least you're cycling albums. I must have listened to Eternity Served Cold about 30 times today.
 
If I'm listening to the songs on YouTube, I get into repeat cycles where I just listen to the same song over and over and over ("Anbroids 2.0" from Volume 9 is actually one such oft-repeated song). If I go to Bandcamp, that's when I can get the full album in rotation.
 
Gabumon said:
Speaking of Rex Duodecim Angelus: A lot of hamsteakers probably already know about it, but a fan-made flash animation going along with the song has been out for a couple months now.


As I said, probably old news already, but on the off-chance somebody here hasn't seen it yet, I recommend checking it out.
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Wow.

I was expecting fanimation to be not nearly that good.
Gabumon said:
Walkazo said:
But yeah, I have a similar problem in that I am perfectly happy to sit and listen to the same batch of albums I already know on endless loops, they're just so good.
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Well, you're better than me. At least you're cycling albums. I must have listened to Eternity Served Cold about 30 times today.
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I used to do that, actually. I must have looped Carne Vale (the one from Game Over) at least a dozen times.
 
I feel like the savage destruction of Terezi's character is more proof that this isn't a to-be-retconned timeline, because that would be so lame. She's gotta pick herself up and get back to being the awesome self-assured girl with the mad Seer powers that we all used to know and love.

Also, I've been wondering more and more about that one Serket story that I re-found earlier:

VRISKA: It was supposedly a weapon that once 8elonged to him.
VRISKA: 8ut he could never use it without altering its nature.
VRISKA: Meaning he could only use it once.
VRISKA: So he did.
VRISKA: After that, it could only 8e used again one more time.
VRISKA: And only as a weapon against him.
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In a way, John did use it as a weapon against Caliborn, by zapping into his session and punching him out. And then he zapped away, and hasn't zapped anywhere since, even though it's been a while... Maybe he's not gonna zap around anymore, because the weapon's done all it was ever gonna do for him.

Also, I've been wondering about how Dirk's also got Yaldabaoth as a denizen - there's gotta be a reason for that. Another weapon, perhaps? But either way, they're gonna need to have Dirk back before they could even hope to get it. Or it's a red herring, ya never know.
 
Andrew has a tight schedule at the moment, right? Because if so, he isn't doing himself any favors by drawing all those pages of John going "hmmm..."

I don't personally mind because it takes much more than that for me to consider my time wasted, but it feels kind of like he's wasting his own time?
 
Okay so unless I still don't get it he was wasting gigapause time?
 
He also had to work on the game during the gigapause, and in news releases he said/implied a lot of other stuff was going down in life and business or whatever that were eating up time, but which he didn't feel like telling the Internet at large about in detail. Right now, iirc he's currently writing the next subact while the last three months' worth of A6A6 material that he DID do during the gigapause is released gradually as a buffer, then he'll just have to worry about doing the art live for A6A7. Then A7 will be mostly gradually released animations, by the sounds of it.
 
So he would have had more time for that if he didn't draw all those "hmmm..." panels.
 
Not really; they second two are just copies with the head flipped for one and the glasses and eye and mouth dots moved around a bit, which is pretty effortless to do if you use multiple layers (which he does).
 
SiFi said:
Okay so unless I still don't get it he was wasting gigapause time?
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It's not wasting time. Quirky little details like that that can give a scene more character, and if Hussie thought he had to put in those panels to convey however the scene played out in his head better, that's completely fine. Pacing is a thing that can make or break a scene.

Also, if you have to draw several hundreds of panels anyway, one or two more won't make much of a difference.
 
Oh man, this latest update is a real brain teaser.

Especially because we don't have the whole story yet (once more, Callie embodies the fandom on this front - ahhhhh, I wanna know what happens next). Anyway, this Jade's not "our" Jade, and her John and LOWAS were sacrificed for the good of "our" John. At first, I worried that it meant that "our" and LOWAS could then take the place of hers at some point, since her session doesn't have the glitches and so, is far less screwed up and possibly more winnable, and just forsake all the bad stuff's that's happened. But maybe it's the other way around, and this Jade's set of planets (and maybe the three B2 planets too) are going to be brought into "our" timeline to replace the ones that got crunched. And possibly all the dead characters will also get replaced - hence John and Davesprite had to die with LOWAS, because they're both still alive (well, as far as we know, Davesprite's still alive, anyway) and need no replacing.

But that's just a stab in the dark. Until we know more (like about what Typheus's "correcton" was, what happened after Jade arrived - she probably went Grimbark as well, but without John's ring, Aranea wouldn't've turned up to wreck the planets at the very least; whether everyone else still died is another matter, tho), it's really hard to say what's going on here. Like, the other Calliope didn't have her human friends which means Gamzee didn't intervene with her and Caliborn in that timeline - at first, you'd say that's because Gamzee got sawed in half and that doomed timeline is therefore "our" one (the one we've been watching wherein everyone dies), and the fact that "our" B2 humans grew up with a doomed Callie and victorious Caliborn is just a paradox and a symptom of a doomed timeline, but I'm not convinced. I mean, for all we know, Gamzee already did all his Caliborn duties and then time-travelled back, or maybe he's not even dead, and can actually survive being sawed in half just as well as he can survive being riddled with bullets on account of Clown Immunity.

Also, the detail about the glitches making things harder to "understand" in the session reminded me of Terezi again, and how, if the glitches can just get cleared away, her Seer powers might kick back in and she might start feeling better and be able to figure out how to fix more things.

(Sorry to post another long rambley theory that's probably wrong btw, in case anyone's getting tired of me windbagging it up in this joint - I just wanted to get my thoughts straight for myself about this aforementionedly brain-teasing update, and writing it out helps and if I'm already going to the trouble of typing it up, I might as well make you guys read it too :P )
 
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