Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
^^^^^^^Walkazo said:
i was thinking the exact same thing
Can Town (The Official Homestuck Thread)
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i was thinking the exact same thing
Speaking of clown immunity:
I had a weird stray thought today. The narrative implies that clowns are just immortal like that and that's why Gamzee keeps coming back. But clowns obviously aren't immortal just for being clowns, otherwise Dave wouldn't have been able to dispatch of the insane clown posse (unless they somehow survived, which I guess is unlikely, but POSSIBLE? Who knows! Let's say they didn't, though.).
AFAIK, what the narrative actually says is that clowns like Gamzee just don't die "for some reason". But what if there's an actual reason ASIDE from him being a clown that lets Gamzee shrug off death, and the narrative just won't spell it out because it is a narrative and thus wants to prevent spoilers (read "for some reason I'm not telling")?
Gamzee has also been revealed to be a pawn of Aranea, who happens to be a very powerful healer and likes to flaunt that at every opportunity. What if Gamzee was already under Aranea's influence while hanging around Caliborn, presumably to carry out some insane agenda I can't figure out for the life of me, and the reason he keeps shrugging off mortal injuries is because Aranea is patching him up? Somehow? Remotely? She's a god, it's not completely impossible.
But anyway, if there's any truth in that mindless speculation of mine, this would mean that now that Aranea is gone, Gamzee is toast. I would welcome it.
I had a weird stray thought today. The narrative implies that clowns are just immortal like that and that's why Gamzee keeps coming back. But clowns obviously aren't immortal just for being clowns, otherwise Dave wouldn't have been able to dispatch of the insane clown posse (unless they somehow survived, which I guess is unlikely, but POSSIBLE? Who knows! Let's say they didn't, though.).
AFAIK, what the narrative actually says is that clowns like Gamzee just don't die "for some reason". But what if there's an actual reason ASIDE from him being a clown that lets Gamzee shrug off death, and the narrative just won't spell it out because it is a narrative and thus wants to prevent spoilers (read "for some reason I'm not telling")?
Gamzee has also been revealed to be a pawn of Aranea, who happens to be a very powerful healer and likes to flaunt that at every opportunity. What if Gamzee was already under Aranea's influence while hanging around Caliborn, presumably to carry out some insane agenda I can't figure out for the life of me, and the reason he keeps shrugging off mortal injuries is because Aranea is patching him up? Somehow? Remotely? She's a god, it's not completely impossible.
But anyway, if there's any truth in that mindless speculation of mine, this would mean that now that Aranea is gone, Gamzee is toast. I would welcome it.
Interesting.
A very interesting update.
You know what that means right?
Marowak's Theory Time!!!
So let's see, we know this isn't our Jade, right? And not our John, either. But why is it that THIS version of John had to die in order for the alpha timeline to be saved? What if this isn't the only John who has to die? What if every other timeline John has to die before getting his hands on the ultimate juju? And in the end, only one John remains. Because as one repeating sentence during Act 6 says, "There can only ever be one".
Think about it, the ultimate juju has the ability to make anyone change anything. We even saw John travel into a doomed timeline (The one where he gets killed by Typheus thus making Davesprite exist). So wouldn't it be shit if we have 8641324631 Retconning Johns running around in paradox space? And that's why the big oil monster decided to kill off every other instance of John before acquiring the artifact.
A very interesting update.
You know what that means right?
Marowak's Theory Time!!!
So let's see, we know this isn't our Jade, right? And not our John, either. But why is it that THIS version of John had to die in order for the alpha timeline to be saved? What if this isn't the only John who has to die? What if every other timeline John has to die before getting his hands on the ultimate juju? And in the end, only one John remains. Because as one repeating sentence during Act 6 says, "There can only ever be one".
Think about it, the ultimate juju has the ability to make anyone change anything. We even saw John travel into a doomed timeline (The one where he gets killed by Typheus thus making Davesprite exist). So wouldn't it be shit if we have 8641324631 Retconning Johns running around in paradox space? And that's why the big oil monster decided to kill off every other instance of John before acquiring the artifact.
I doubt it. I don't see why Aranea would make Gamzee HELP Caliborn to become LE if in the end all she wants is to make sure he doesn't exist in the first place. I mean come on who would contribute to a villain's ascent to power just so they could be the one to bring him down in the end waiiiiiit a secondGabumon said:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004963
Oh shit that would make sense.
But still, Hussie said that there is no instance of Gamzee that dies he's aware of. Meaning that in every doomed offshoot, there is an alive gamzee that's just there, not dying, completely independant of Serket's crazy healing powers.
Uhm... uhhh...
He said that he doesn't know any instances of dead Gamzee that he's aware of. Maaaybe he just didn't see this one because of the glitches?
He said that he doesn't know any instances of dead Gamzee that he's aware of. Maaaybe he just didn't see this one because of the glitches?
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
The Happy Mask Salesman said:
You have underestimated my omniscience almost as badly as I overestimate it as a matter of daily routine.
Oooh, good point.
Oh shit, that's so true as well! As were the earlier points about the clown immunity being vaguely defined (I'd look for example quotes to help us out, but I have to run offline in five minutes, sadness), and ICP being killed despite being clowns.Gabumon said:
Was it a doomed timeline, or just John flying up before he reconsidered? In can't remember... Anyway, that's also an interesting theory, and I also agree with you about the Aranea thing being unlikely (sorry Edo): if anything, she wants Caliborn to NOT exist and/or become LE, which was the whole reason she tried to insert herself into events, iirc - to prevent his universe and session from being spawned.The Happy Mask Salesman said:
That's fine. This was just a silly thought I was having, so the likeliness of this being anywhere near the truth is abysmal.
I mean, it could still be a "take the bad with the good" kinda thing, where she decided she was going to use Gamzee from a specific time as a pawn, but then realized that he first had to survive to that point. So in order to set her plan in motion and break the timeline, she would first have to keep it intact by making sure Gamzee lives to the point where she starts using him.
I've actually pointed out the inconsistency between the ICP being killable and Gamzee being allowed to defy death on a TV tropes page once, and asked if anyone has a theory on how that works. The theory presented was that, maybe for clown immunity to apply to you, you have to actually be funny.
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Ohh, ohh, new theory! Now that Gamzee has killed the best character in Hamsteak, he is officially no longer funny. Therefore he is dead. :D
Ehh... but then his death would be funny, so he'd come back to life.
I mean, it could still be a "take the bad with the good" kinda thing, where she decided she was going to use Gamzee from a specific time as a pawn, but then realized that he first had to survive to that point. So in order to set her plan in motion and break the timeline, she would first have to keep it intact by making sure Gamzee lives to the point where she starts using him.
I've actually pointed out the inconsistency between the ICP being killable and Gamzee being allowed to defy death on a TV tropes page once, and asked if anyone has a theory on how that works. The theory presented was that, maybe for clown immunity to apply to you, you have to actually be funny.
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Ohh, ohh, new theory! Now that Gamzee has killed the best character in Hamsteak, he is officially no longer funny. Therefore he is dead. :D
Ehh... but then his death would be funny, so he'd come back to life.
Terezi sends John to his demise. He dies (then he's in the afterlife and meets up with a dead vriska etc). We see Dave, with Calsprite, telling Rose he has to go back and change things. He then tells Rose to go to sleep (then her dream self merges with the alpha rose's dreamself enabling her to wake up and acquiring doomed timeline knowledge from dark gods etc). <==Doomed timelineWalkazo said:
Dave comes back to right before John sets off and tells john that it's a trap, and prototypes himself to survive in the alpha timeline instead of just dying (kernelsprites are attracted to the deceased and the doomed). <==alpha timeline
Oh, no I know that. I thought that by "travel into a doomed timeline" you were saying that when John touched the weapon and poofed all over the place, one of the places he poofed was that doomed timeline. Like, he saw himself flying up to the gate or his hand was there or something.
Also, what's funny is highly subjective, so who would judge when a clown stops being funny and starts being killable? ... Oh, I know! Maybe there' a special clown clock, that tick tocks between "lame" and "dude not funny", with "funny" being the middle line of indecision.
No, it's not funny. Just hollow.
Also, what's funny is highly subjective, so who would judge when a clown stops being funny and starts being killable? ... Oh, I know! Maybe there' a special clown clock, that tick tocks between "lame" and "dude not funny", with "funny" being the middle line of indecision.
Random Blue
Tried too hard to be post-ironic
So...looks like Terezi sent John to his denizen only for John to die and create a doomed timeline. Again.
Walkazo said:
Sounds plausible!
Except this time it was a different timeline that got doomed, but yeah, now that you mention it, I'm sure it IS totally meant as a callback (or whatever). Dunno how I missed that, even when I was JUST talking about the first doomed timeline scenario, lol.Yasuke Matsuda said:
Random Blue
Tried too hard to be post-ironic
It's Hussie so if it looks like a callback it probably is.
What do you think would happen if a living, non-god player were to physically be present in a dream bubble, and then died on a memory of their sacrificial slab?
You mean like when they were passing through the bubbles on the Meteor? Interesting... My knee-jerk reaction is nothing would happen since it's not the real slab, but ya never know.
A somewhat similar thing I wonder about if whether the bed/slab has to be yours, or if any old bed/slab would work as long as it was the right aspect (i.e. if you went to a different session).
A somewhat similar thing I wonder about if whether the bed/slab has to be yours, or if any old bed/slab would work as long as it was the right aspect (i.e. if you went to a different session).
DragonFreak
Everything that drowns me makes me wanna fly!
OMG Sifi I was thinking the same thing (except Mother 2 instead but whatevs)SiFi said:
Oh my gosh, just, I was not expecting that last page (in terms of visually)
Yeah, looks like it. But ya never know- the story's not over, so maybe John's timeline gets un-doomed by the Choice. I haven't given up hope.SiFi said:
And yeah, it's pretty funny. For me, it was because Callie giggling away made me think of human snake-based euphemisms, but maybe that's just me, idk.
I thought only Yaldabaoth would have the sunshine face bsns, but now I wonder if all the denizens will be rendered that way ("representational", I guess), albeit with differences (glitches for Typheus, more brightness for Yaldabaoth, etc.).DragonFreak said:
Also, once we get more denizens, I'm totally gonna play the creepy videos all at once - it'll sound so rad.
So earlier I was talking hamsteak with 2257 and he mentioned something... interesting:
[quote author=http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008616]JADE: by the way, i didnt catch your name...
CALLIOPE: i did not say it.
CALLIOPE: Using my fUll name coUld bring Us Unwanted attention. [/quote]
[quote author=http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008967]JADE: her name was calliope[/quote]
Could be Hussie forgetting this was an issue over the gigapause, could be a deliberate stealthy setup for shit going down.
On a scale from safe to green skull monster, how screwed is Callie?
[quote author=http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008616]JADE: by the way, i didnt catch your name...
CALLIOPE: i did not say it.
CALLIOPE: Using my fUll name coUld bring Us Unwanted attention. [/quote]
[quote author=http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008967]JADE: her name was calliope
[/quote]Could be Hussie forgetting this was an issue over the gigapause, could be a deliberate stealthy setup for shit going down.
On a scale from safe to green skull monster, how screwed is Callie?
Hopefully Calliope was just being paranoid, like when she feaked out and poofed the Lalondes awake when Rose showed up with her Light aspect. Although the fact that people do keep finding her indicates that her hiding place isn't as completely secure as she would like it to be...
If LE crashes in before the story's over I'm gonna be so mad.
If LE crashes in before the story's over I'm gonna be so mad.
Gabumon said:
[quote author=http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008967]JADE: her name was calliope
[/quote]Could be Hussie forgetting this was an issue over the gigapause, could be a deliberate stealthy setup for shit going down.
On a scale from safe to green skull monster, how screwed is Callie?
[/quote]
Oh my god!
You were discussing Homestuck with 2257?
Random Blue
Tried too hard to be post-ironic
How safe IS Calliope in the first place when that stage that appeared in her hiding place was seen in one of Caliborn's blueprints?