Can Town (The Official Homestuck Thread)

Favorite Troll?

  • Aradia Megido

    Votes: 10 16.1%

  • Tavros Nitram

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Sollux Captor

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Karkat Vantas

    Votes: 24 38.7%

  • Nepeta Leijon

    Votes: 15 24.2%

  • Kanaya Maryam

    Votes: 8 12.9%

  • Terezi Pyrope

    Votes: 21 33.9%

  • Vriska Serket

    Votes: 10 16.1%

  • Equius Zahhak

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Gamzee Makara

    Votes: 7 11.3%

  • Eridan Ampora

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Feferi Peixes

    Votes: 9 14.5%
  • Total voters
    62
It occurred to me that her not being with Gamzee would actually count as a big change, so maybe the point was actually to reinforce what Karkat tries to tell her when he finds her on the roof right before they arrive in the new session (i.e. since she'd remember the mysterious writing on the wall that happened right after he finally spat out the <3), and then that leads her to do something other than stabbing Gamzee repeatedly and then getting used as bait in the moments leading up to and including GAME OVER.
 
I like her horns.
 
JANE: Then in one fell swoop, she and I pinched Roxy and Jake respectively, and hauled them right off to the slammer for interrogation.
JANE: The slammer, as we all know, is how one describes the penal system when feeling extra angry at crimes.
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>you call it the slammer when you are extra angry at crimes.
 
question: if roxy hadn't pushed rose out of the way and rose had just died, that still would count as heroic, right?
 
Sweet update. My bro and I were were both like "omg noooo!" when we turned the page and it was Roxy, not Rose, who got forked.

It's interesting how in this Jade's timeline, John died, and in this Jane's timeline, Roxy died. I wonder if Jane's timeline's John had anything to do with her Jade disappearing, or if he was dead too, like in Jade's timeline. It's all very interesting.
 
I'm going to assume this Jane's timeline and this Jade's timeline are one and the same because it's kind of sort of implied.
As for how Jade disappeared, I'm guessing Nix did it so that the meteor crew can attempt to save Roxy and Jake leading to Rose facing off Jane and Roxy dying, and therefore her part of the bergain is fulfilled just like Typheus made sure John's was.
 
Perhaps. I just thought Jade seemed a little too surprised about Jane's story to have been from the same timeline, and earlier she worried she'd done bad things, but really, aside from throwing Roxy in jail and teleporting Dirk away, she didn't really do much before disappearing. But ya never know.
 
I think that what is going on is that the characters appearing are characters from the same timeline, but not really. As John changes things, the stories will alter as people are added into the little group of dead players. I think that Jane is one that has happened from the small changes John has made so far, and I feel like we'll only get more and more stories coming together about how everything is being ployed.

I dunno, it's just a thought.
 
But it's so funny!

But why'd John only comment on Nepeta: Equius died there too, so you'd think his corpse would be lying around as well (and was just offscreen in the original Terezi-only panels because that would distract from the shocking revelation that Nepeta bought the farm too).

Also, I wonder if his association with Roxy means that John's protected from Scratch's omniscience even though he's mucking about with stuff that the Doc was also keeping close tabs on (and even narrated at times). Like how The Expatri8's Void aspect hid the Cue ball.
 
My uneducated guess is that the powers of the little retconny house exceed those of a First Guardian.

I forgot how much of this was revealed/implied and how much of it is my own speculation, but the little house that gave John his powers is the artifact Yaldabaoth gave Caliborn as a consequence of his Choice, right? The one that gave him the power of unconditional dominance and immortality. When he used it, it was altered into a weapon that could only be used one more time, against him, and then John used it.

This is admittedly kind of a stretch, but in the huge dancestor flash game, Meenah mentions that Caliborn can kill god tiers without the need of a heroic or just death. This could just be baseless speculation on Meenah's part, but if it is true, then that means the little house is on a tier above godhood. Meanwhile Jade is technically a First Guardian, but she is still bound by the rules of godhood, as it was possible to kill her with a just death.

So the progression of supernatural power tiers seems to be something like glowy house > the source of god powers (not the gods themselves) > First Guardians.

It's admittedly stupid to try fit such fantastic and intangible concepts into power tiers, but the fact that First Guardians are bound by something that the glowy house powers are immune to makes me think that Doc Scratch would be unable to anticipate what John is doing.
 
wow i can never understand how y'all keep track of this stuff

there are so many elements to homestuck that i can't remember any of them anymore and just let the narrative flow

but you guys keep plugging away with these new extensive theories and discussions and i can barely understand what you're talking about
 
i think we've (or at least i've) read it multiple times

knowing the first guardian powers from god tier powers is no different than knowing the difference between a z-95 starfighter and a skipray blastboat
 
I prefer to think of hamsteak less as a story/comic, and more as a state of mind. You start reading the comic and it confuses you to no end. Maybe it even frustrates you, who knows. Eventually you reach the point where you either can't take all the convoluted shit anymore, or you have an epiphany and everything falls into place. From then on you understand hamsteak, and as an added boon you will pretty much never be confused by time travel plots in any other fiction ever again.

the thing with understanding hamsteak is
you cant overthink it
just roll with it and see what happens

Javelin said:
i think we've (or at least i've) read it multiple times
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twice
 
I've only read it once, this past summer, but I re-read bits of it here and there all the time when I try to remember certain things when I'm bored, curious and/or theorizing.

Like, I re-read the Cherub sex passage the other day, and this:

The tangled struggle 8etween the green aus is exceedingly 8rutal and can last for sweeps. While dueling in such a monstrous form, their energy is inexhausti8le. The transform8tion taps into the cheru8s' latent connection with the enigmatic forces presiding over all that is eternal, and perme8ting all those endowed with immortality. Normally this power is only accessi8le to them during m8ting. In this form, they are only a8le to 8e injured 8y one another, and are otherwise indestructi8le. Hence the ritual can never 8e stopped 8y an outside force until it is complete.
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sent up hella red flags to me upon review, since the powers granted to the mating Cherubs just screams Lord English, only he gamed the system by killing Calliope prematurely, thus preventing himself from ever sexually maturing (he's even wingless in his humanoid form), yet he still gets access to the power thanks to the weapon. Fortunately, it also lets is know exactly why Calliope is the only hope against him, being the only other Cherub in the medium, and all. Plus, it answers why it was even possible in the first place for Caliborn to go beyond the God Tier limits, as Aranea herself had wondered:

ARANEA: He would receive the 8oon of unconditional immortality, where resurrection would not 8e linked with the just or heroic nature of death.
ARANEA: It is unclear how this 8oon would 8e awarded, since to my knowledge it is 8eyond even the a8ility of a denizen to allow this.
ARANEA: 8ut through whatever mechanism the 8oon is 8estowed, immortality is only the 8eginning.
ARANEA: The player is somehow also im8ued with a limitless supply of power. Enough to destroy anything he wanted, for as long as he wanted.
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(Which I re-read earlier after stumbling upon the scene from the subsequent scene with Terezi and Karkat, which I was re-reading because of the "you don't need him" discussion earlier)

Also, when I was re-looking for the Cherub sex passage for this post, I found this about the weapon:

VRISKA: AFTER THE GUY USED IT THAT ONE TIME, IT 8ECAME TOTALLY INTANGI8LE! SO WE CAN'T TOUCH IT OR PICK IT UP!
VRISKA: THAT'S WHY WE 8ROUGHT ARADIA ALONG! SO SHE CAN MAKE IT LEVIT8 OR WHATEVER!
VRISKA: IF WE 8RING IT NEAR HIM IT'S SUPPOSED TO ACTIV8 AGAIN OR SOMETHING! THAT'S HOW YOU USE IT AS A WEAPON I GUESS!
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Which isn't how the weapon ended up being used at all, which worried me at first, but as stated a few pages earlier:

VRISKA: As I'm sure you know 8y now, jujus are magic items that can do all sorts of things. 8end time and space, trap souls inside them, stuff like that.
VRISKA: The more potent jujus tend to 8e pretty versatile. I dou8t even he knew the full extent of its powers.
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Suggesting that how Caliborn used the weapon is also different than what John used it for - he unimaginatively settled for unlocking his innate destructive Cherub powers (and the original plan sounded like it would use the weapon to take the powers away) whereas John ended up getting the much more potent (and creative - in more ways than one) retcon powers during the second and final use of the thing.


^This is how I view Homestuck. Like Shakespeare. Tonnes of ideas all rolled up into a big puzzle ball ripe to unravel and/or bat around the room.
 
Walkazo said:
But it's so funny!

But why'd John only comment on Nepeta: Equius died there too, so you'd think his corpse would be lying around as well (and was just offscreen in the original Terezi-only panels because that would distract from the shocking revelation that Nepeta bought the farm too).

Also, I wonder if his association with Roxy means that John's protected from Scratch's omniscience even though he's mucking about with stuff that the Doc was also keeping close tabs on (and even narrated at times). Like how The Expatri8's Void aspect hid the Cue ball.
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Scratch has said that alternate timelines aren't his department, only what's "supposed" to happen, so maybe John messing things up will mess up his powers somehow?
 
Nabber said:
wow i can never understand how y'all keep track of this stuff

there are so many elements to homestuck that i can't remember any of them anymore and just let the narrative flow

but you guys keep plugging away with these new extensive theories and discussions and i can barely understand what you're talking about
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I know right. Like idk how the hell Walkazo does it since she has read all of it for 6 months.
 
This update reminded me how much I miss not having to see that damn codpiece whenever Gamzee's involved.

Also, I wonder if this means Terezi didn't scratch the disk. She still had time to change into her Redglare outfit, but would she have also played around with the records after she tied Gamzee up, or would she have skipped that part? Either way, this hardly seems like a little change. I wonder what the last task will be...

By the way, there's a news update saying A6A6I4 's ending on the 19th instead of the 26th, and then there will probably be another pause after that, but Hussie will let us known more details on the 19th.

Clunk said:
Nabber said:
wow i can never understand how y'all keep track of this stuff

there are so many elements to homestuck that i can't remember any of them anymore and just let the narrative flow

but you guys keep plugging away with these new extensive theories and discussions and i can barely understand what you're talking about
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I know right. Like idk how the hell Walkazo does it since she has read all of it for 6 months.
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*shrugs* I'm good at remembering reading specific tidbits in general (just not where it's from), plus I love picking apart callback/foreshadowing/non-linear/etc.-heavy jigsaw puzzle plots in general. But there's also tonnes of stuff that I've forgotten (not to mention the order they happened in), hence I'm constantly re-reading chunks here and there to create the illusion I know what I'm talking about, lol.
 
SiFi said:
Walkazo said:
But it's so funny!

But why'd John only comment on Nepeta: Equius died there too, so you'd think his corpse would be lying around as well (and was just offscreen in the original Terezi-only panels because that would distract from the shocking revelation that Nepeta bought the farm too).

Also, I wonder if his association with Roxy means that John's protected from Scratch's omniscience even though he's mucking about with stuff that the Doc was also keeping close tabs on (and even narrated at times). Like how The Expatri8's Void aspect hid the Cue ball.
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Scratch has said that alternate timelines aren't his department, only what's "supposed" to happen, so maybe John messing things up will mess up his powers somehow?
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That's true, he seems to only have full knowledge of the alpha timeline and I think John's powers forego timelines entirely.
 
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