Typical Tragedy

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Dr. Javelin said:
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That trope isn't always right, I'm pretty good at math.
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So that's why you aren't writing Nabberture Science anymore! You got good at math!
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Actually, I've been two years ahead in math for a while.
 
I'm fairly good at maths (well, I was always top set) yet Tabuu insists my story is so damn great. Maybe the almost-never-updates thing is the balancing of the universe in my case?
 
I read a bit of this story a little while back and noticed the entire story is built on a gross misunderstanding of how military politics work. I can't get engaged in a story that I feel has no reason to be happening.

Also, the worship of TVTropes displayed in this thread is sickening.
 
Tabuu thinks he can use it as an excuse that writers can't do math. Either he's wrong or I'm not a very good writer, though both are likely scenarios.
 
Crocodile Dippy said:
I read a bit of this story a little while back and noticed the entire story is built on a gross misunderstanding of how military politics work. I can't get engaged in a story that I feel has no reason to be happening.

Also, the worship of TVTropes displayed in this thread is sickening.
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I honestly didn't notice anything out of the ordinary in this thread about TVTropes, so no.

Mentioning something in conversation does not count as worship in any way.
 
Dr. Javelin said:
Crocodile Dippy said:
I read a bit of this story a little while back and noticed the entire story is built on a gross misunderstanding of how military politics work. I can't get engaged in a story that I feel has no reason to be happening.

Also, the worship of TVTropes displayed in this thread is sickening.
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I honestly didn't notice anything out of the ordinary in this thread about TVTropes, so no.

Mentioning something in conversation does not count as worship in any way.
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Javelin's right, doing a Shout Out to TV Tropes does not count as worshipping. It could be a Crowning Moment of Awesome... You know what, I should stop worshipping it
 
Crocodile Dippy said:
Also, the worship of TVTropes displayed in this thread is sickening.
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i was going to put some shitty sarcasm here i but i decided that a reasonable comment with the purpose of spurring intelligent debate would make more sense

so

I think your devotion to making people hate TVTropes is kind of petty, honestly. It's a harmless site that's a lot of fun. Who cares if the community sucks? The average troper doesn't even interact with the community at large. The weirdos are pretty easy to avoid.
 
Basing your work on tropes is a terrible way of designing fiction. It forces your work to fall back into cliches and allows no room for development as a writer. It also slaughters independent thought and observations about fiction, as people tend to just post their favourite tropes and leave the discussion at that.
 
Crocodile Dippy said:
Basing your work on tropes is a terrible way of designing fiction. It forces your work to fall back into cliches and allows no room for development as a writer. It also slaughters independent thought and observations about fiction, as people tend to just post their favourite tropes and leave the discussion at that.
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That is not true. If the writer is skilled, then he can use tropes however the hell he pleases and still write a good story.
 
I enjoy TV Tropes. I really do. It's interesting reading material.

But you know what? I don't base shit off of TV Tropes. If anything, I try my best not to follow any tropes. Inevitably, I'm going to use some. Because tropes are building blocks, not cliches. Regardless of whether or not you know about tropes, you're going to be using them day to day. I don't build a story based on what tropes I want to put in it, I don't run back and forth to TV Tropes for every fucking thing I write.

I'd like to see a fucking trope for a main character out to kill the author. I'd like to see a fucking trope for an author that attempts to plant messages in his readers' subconscious.

Jesus Fucking Christ, MBV. I understand that you don't like TV Tropes- that's your opinion, I can respect that.

But the fucking website was mentioned, what, once in this entire thread? Is that what you call worship?

I thought you'd mellowed out. I thought you'd grown up past bitching at everybody that likes things you don't. But you know what? I was wrong.

I don't build stories based on TV Tropes. I build stories based on my own fucking creativity, and, no matter what the result, you better fucking respect that. You can call me a shitty writer, you can say everything I write is wish-fulfillment bullshit devoted to stroking my own fucking ego. And you know what? Maybe it is.

But there's two things you need to know. One, I don't use TV Tropes to make things. I use TV Tropes to analyze them.

Secondly, going around bashing on everything you don't like isn't the sign of a good critic. Hell, it's not the sign of a good anything. It's one thing to write reviews, it's one thing to share your opinions.
But it's another entirely to go around every FUCKING place you can just to bitch incessantly about how much you hate TV Tropes and its community.
 
Someone likes to swear! You should really stop doing that since your fiction is such a pain to read because of it.

I thought you'd mellowed out. I thought you'd grown up past bitching at everybody that criticizes your fiction and gives you negative feedback. But you know what? I was wrong.

You're right, TVTropes wasn't mentioned much in this thread alone (although I've def. seen people like Javelin rant on about tropes in other fiction threads, so perhaps I'm getting confused since all wiki fiction looks the same to me), but that really doesn't change the fact that your work is immensely cliched and overly grimdark. I've told you before to tone down the vulgarities, the 'edginess', the gleeful use of cliches for the sake of rather weak humour; you ask me for criticism, then ignore me when I offer it. You do this with everyone I've spoken to who has been asked to review your works. Of course I'm going to get frustrated with you.

Going around telling everyone to read and review your fiction and then ignoring their feedback isn't the sign of a good writer. Hell, it's not a sign of a good anything. It's one thing to be proud of your work, it's one thing to be confident.
But it's another entirely to go around every FUCKING place you can to advertise and brag about your fiction and then ignore any and all criticism.

So don't go whinging because I'm doing what you asked me to do; I wasn't even that aggressive this time, bro. You're making it a bigger deal then it needs to be. Although you are right, I should prob. stop with the constant TV Tropes hate, since I've heard (but not seen) that much of the depravity, vulgarities, grimdarkness and creepiness that I so despised from the site has since been toned down, which is a plus (although I still stand by the belief that using it to analyze anything is a very, very bad idea, since it's really not a particularly well-written website for that, especially since everyone tells me it's just for fun not for serious analysis).
 
I like how your supposed counter was just mine but with a few words changed around.

The only real criticism you've made to the story was the lack of research put into military politics- and yeah, my fault. I acknowledged that. That's the only thing you've given me straight-up criticism about. And I'm not getting angry at you for being a critic- the more critics I have, the better for my development- what I'm getting angry about is seeing you bitch about TV Tropes everywhere I go.

You want to critique me? How about you actually read up to where the story is now and give me the harshest review you can? I want that.

But what you've been doing in my fucking thread isn't criticizing- it's bitching and moaning about how much you hate TV Tropes and its users.
 
Just a minute ago.

You can say what you think there without having to worry about me or MBV bitching at you. Consider it a free pass.
 
Don't Fear said:
I like how your supposed counter was just mine but with a few words changed around.

The only real criticism you've made to the story was the lack of research put into military politics- and yeah, my fault. I acknowledged that. That's the only thing you've given me straight-up criticism about. And I'm not getting angry at you for being a critic- the more critics I have, the better for my development- what I'm getting angry about is seeing you bitch about TV Tropes everywhere I go.

You want to critique me? How about you actually read up to where the story is now and give me the harshest review you can? I want that.

But what you've been doing in my fucking thread isn't criticizing- it's bitching and moaning about how much you hate TV Tropes and its users.
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I know, right? It's not like I was making use of, *GASP*, cruel irony or anything! No, that would be a proper literary device!

I have told you plenty of times that I dislike the over-the-top "darkness" and excessive vulgar language of your fiction. I even said as much when I told you why I didn't like your humour in Late Night but found Mason's fairly amusing. And I just acknowledged the TVTropes hate is getting tiring, what the hell are you clinging to with that?

Reading up to where the story is now won't change much since I feel nothing in the story should even be happening because of that blatant misunderstanding of military politics. I've heard from others - and even judging by many of the comments in this thread - that it really doesn't lighten up or tone down the vulgarities and cliches at all. I might get around to reading it again sometime soon to see for meself, tho; it'd prob. make me criticism more valid, at the very least.

When did I say I was giving you criticism in this thread? I've told you this shit on IRC plenty of times. Perhaps you should also stop bitching and moaning about my criticism, that might be a good idea.
 
The only criticism I've gotten for this story in particular was, once more, about my failure to research military politics. Huge failure on my part, yeah.

But other than that, you haven't given Typical Tragedy-specific criticism at all. Too dark? That would've been been nice to see in your post, as opposed to you bitching about TV Tropes. (I'll relent on that- you admitted you were wrong there.)

If my story's too vulgar, too dark, too gritty, too over-the-top, too egotistic, too whatever-the-fuck-else, tell me. In a proper review. I'd appreciate it.

But you haven't given me a review here. You kickstarted a grand argument about TV Tropes and took this thread way off its original course. That's why I snapped at you. If you hate my story, I can handle that. I can dish it out- I can take it, too.

But unless you've got valid constructive criticism to give, you need to get out.
 
Guys, come on. Let's all calm down again and be nice, ok?

So, as it looks now, we have two sides who can't agree with each other. That's ok. TvTropes, love it, hate it, ignore it, all good. But let's be civilized about it, and demonstrate that, for once, we can be a community that doesn't have to jump at each other's necks for every other thing.

Let's all try to be peaceful and boring. :)
 
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