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[EctoBiologist]

The only way the Razorback is a good item is if you're a Sniper that gets out in the middle of the fight- you'll be a risky target, so you'll be avoided until the rest of your team is taken out.

Besides that, though, it's a really shitty self-defense item because two to three shots at close range from a Spy's revolver (especially a headshot-bodyshot combo) and you're screwed before you can react.

Keep your eyes and ears open. Spies will tend to come to you because you're an easy target regardless.

don't forget it's even quicker to kill with the ambassador due to it being able to always crit when you headshot with it.

(especially a headshot-bodyshot combo)

my bad I must have skipped that.

also you should focus your attention on players that use heavy, soldier, demoman, pyro, medic. (especially the medic or the heavy). I wouldn't bother on trying to snipe the scout unless it's going in a straight line and you can kill the scout pretty easy with a bodyshot. if you want to headshot the snipers you have to be quick. as for the spies I'd recomend, like tabuu said, to stay alert. out of all the classes you should worry for the pyros, spies and scouts (they're faster than you so they can attack quickly and then go away before you can even shoot)..

 

[Garlic Man]

I suggest wearing a Razorback (which is quite a common item, you should be able to find it on a drop) because if a Spy attempts to backstab you while you're wearing a Razorback, it will break, and you will be zoomed out if you are sniping, so you'll be able to react.

The Razorback is near useless, a Spy who even remotely knows what hes doing will pull out his gun and shoot you when you're occupied with sniping. Jarate is very good for detecting Spies, because if you know theres one around an area, you can splash him with it and trail him, even if he cloaks or uses Dead Ringer.

yeah don't use the razorback it's a piece of shit

i'm not even just saying that because i play spy; i would much rather shoot a sniper to death than deal with jarate that basically makes the cloak useless

the razorback also doesn't help your team, and jarate does

The only way the Razorback is a good item is if you're a Sniper that gets out in the middle of the fight- you'll be a risky target, so you'll be avoided until the rest of your team is taken out.

Besides that, though, it's a really shitty self-defense item because two to three shots at close range from a Spy's revolver (especially a headshot-bodyshot combo) and you're screwed before you can react.

Keep your eyes and ears open. Spies will tend to come to you because you're an easy target regardless.

don't forget it's even quicker to kill with the ambassador due to it being able to always crit when you headshot with it.

(especially a headshot-bodyshot combo)

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[Pokemon DP]

The only bad thing about jarate is if I'm attacked by a pyro then I can only try to snipe him at close range and I can't try to melee it since he could burn me to death easily.

speaking as someone who plays as Sleeper Sniper (replacing the SMG with the Darwin's Danger Shield), I can say that you can't do jack shit once a Pyro gets close to you. Just give up when that happens, because if you're playing against a smart Pyro then there's no chance of meleeing them, and unscoped rifle shots are just too unreliable.

Although using Jarate is better for coping with Pyros than my loadout is since you can try to drench them as quickly as possible so your teammates can avenge you.

 

[MCS]

When I've encountered Pyros in 2fort while sniping on the top in our base, I've usually been able to react quickly enough to jump off the balcony into the water, then go in the sewers and get some health. Not always, though.

 

[EctoBiologist]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

 

[Garlic Man]

When I've encountered Pyros in 2fort while sniping on the top in our base, I've usually been able to react quickly enough to jump off the balcony into the water, then go in the sewers and get some health. Not always, though.

at that point wouldn't it just be easier to run back to the health cabinet

 

[MCS]

Well usually they can react quickly enough to follow you until you reach your spawn, but by then you'd be dead. So that's why I jump into the water because not only does that put out the flames, it can catch them off guard.

 

[NotABannableOffense]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

Most good snipers hate it. It's really hard to kill without getting headshots.

 

[BEEEEEAAARRRS]

It may keep you alive, but you'll only have 1 hp left

 

[MCS]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

Most good snipers hate it. It's really hard to kill without getting headshots.

Well, sometimes a bodyshot will get lucky and be an insta-kill. The longer you spend in scope, the more charged the shot will be. But yeah, I will admit headshots are one of the easier ways to kill.

 

[Garlic Man]

Headshot-killing Croc-o-style snipers is quite a satisfying feel

 

[Crypt Raider]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

Most good snipers hate it. It's really hard to kill without getting headshots.

Well, sometimes a bodyshot will get lucky and be an insta-kill. The longer you spend in scope, the more charged the shot will be. But yeah, I will admit headshots are one of the easier ways to kill.

It isn't "lucky", bodyshot charging has quite predictable and stable damage. A fully charged shot does exactly 150, enough to kill a Sniper regardless if he is using the item set or not. The set bonus really just equalizes you in Sniper fights because you both have to wait to fully charge or land two shots. Using the set purely to counter Snipers is incredibly stupid, because you will just get bodyshotted back and limited on your ability as a Sniper.

 

[Garlic Man]

unless that sniper's hiding behind something and is just poking his head out to shoot.

that's a bugger

 

[NotABannableOffense]

Waitup, don't if you shoot someone in the head with the piss rifle or if they have the croc o style set, won't it just count as a body shot?

 

[Snifit on Stilts]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

Most good snipers hate it. It's really hard to kill without getting headshots.

Well, sometimes a bodyshot will get lucky and be an insta-kill. The longer you spend in scope, the more charged the shot will be. But yeah, I will admit headshots are one of the easier ways to kill.

It isn't "lucky", bodyshot charging has quite predictable and stable damage. A fully charged shot does exactly 150, enough to kill a Sniper regardless if he is using the item set or not. The set bonus really just equalizes you in Sniper fights because you both have to wait to fully charge or land two shots. Using the set purely to counter Snipers is incredibly stupid, because you will just get bodyshotted back and limited on your ability as a Sniper.

Actually, since darwin's danger shield gives you 15extra hp, so they would survive.

 

[Garlic Man]

Waitup, don't if you shoot someone in the head with the piss rifle or if they have the croc o style set, won't it just count as a body shot?

No, if they have the set, a headshot will just bring them down to 1 health, provided no overheals. A headshot from 1 health will still kill them.

 

[MCS]

unless that sniper's hiding behind something and is just poking his head out to shoot.

that's a bugger

2fort snipers in a nutshell

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[Crypt Raider]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

Most good snipers hate it. It's really hard to kill without getting headshots.

Well, sometimes a bodyshot will get lucky and be an insta-kill. The longer you spend in scope, the more charged the shot will be. But yeah, I will admit headshots are one of the easier ways to kill.

It isn't "lucky", bodyshot charging has quite predictable and stable damage. A fully charged shot does exactly 150, enough to kill a Sniper regardless if he is using the item set or not. The set bonus really just equalizes you in Sniper fights because you both have to wait to fully charge or land two shots. Using the set purely to counter Snipers is incredibly stupid, because you will just get bodyshotted back and limited on your ability as a Sniper.

Actually, since darwin's danger shield gives you 15extra hp, so they would survive.

Wrong, a fully charged bodyshot deals 150 damage. The Danger Shield actually gives +25 HP, which raises the Sniper's health to 150, still unable to counter a full bodyshot.

 

[Snifit on Stilts]

is the croc-o-style set useful?

since I've seen that it makes that headshots don't kill you.

Most good snipers hate it. It's really hard to kill without getting headshots.

Well, sometimes a bodyshot will get lucky and be an insta-kill. The longer you spend in scope, the more charged the shot will be. But yeah, I will admit headshots are one of the easier ways to kill.

It isn't "lucky", bodyshot charging has quite predictable and stable damage. A fully charged shot does exactly 150, enough to kill a Sniper regardless if he is using the item set or not. The set bonus really just equalizes you in Sniper fights because you both have to wait to fully charge or land two shots. Using the set purely to counter Snipers is incredibly stupid, because you will just get bodyshotted back and limited on your ability as a Sniper.

Actually, since darwin's danger shield gives you 15extra hp, so they would survive.

Wrong, a fully charged bodyshot deals 150 damage. The Danger Shield actually gives +25 HP, which raises the Sniper's health to 150, still unable to counter a full bodyshot.

No, it raises it to 175hp.

 

[NotABannableOffense]

Waitup, don't if you shoot someone in the head with the piss rifle or if they have the croc o style set, won't it just count as a body shot?

No, if they have the set, a headshot will just bring them down to 1 health, provided no overheals. A headshot from 1 health will still kill them.

TIL

 

[Snifit on Stilts]

Waitup, don't if you shoot someone in the head with the piss rifle or if they have the croc o style set, won't it just count as a body shot?

No, if they have the set, a headshot will just bring them down to 1 health, provided no overheals. A headshot from 1 health will still kill them.

TIL

TIL?

 

[NotABannableOffense]

Today I learned.

It's from Reddit.

 

[Stooben]

No, it raises it to 175hp.

Sniper's base health is 125.

Darwin's Danger Shield increases his max health by 25 points.

Therefore, a Sniper wearing the Darwin's Danger Shield has 150 health.

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbz4oaDU8Bk

 

[Snifit on Stilts]

No, it raises it to 175hp.

Sniper's base health is 125.

Darwin's Danger Shield increases his max health by 25 points.

Therefore, a Sniper wearing the Darwin's Danger Shield has 150 health.

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbz4oaDU8Bk

Oh, sorry.

 

[Garlic Man]

unless that sniper's hiding behind something and is just poking his head out to shoot.

that's a bugger

2fort snipers in a nutshell

There's nothing to stick your head out from behind in 2fort...