GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
I just hope Lucina's down-air is a spike. I need to be able to Ken combo.
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion
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Ghirahim
This makes me to believe that both Falco and Wolf will reappear (especially with the new StarFox game coming!) and Lucas has a shot as well (since I'm getting the vibe that Sakurai doesn't like to cut people if he doesn't have to)
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
I never had any doubt about Falco. I feel like if a character survived the shift from Melee to Brawl, they're safe.
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Ghirahim
Yeah I never did either, but I just put him their with Wolf since he's not confirmed yet.GalacticPetey said:
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
She's more of a clone as to a semi-clone.Dany Lannister said:
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
Too early to tell right now.Ninelevendo said:
If it's anything like Melee, Lucina was a late edition. It was either clone Lucina or no Lucina at all.Dany Lannister said:
Lily x
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You know, the amount of females in this game pleases me greatly.
As an 11 year old girl, the few females SSBB had always bugged me slightly, so the great variety in SSB4 is a dream for me.
Plus when I was younger, I was a huge Rosalina fangirl (as you all are aware of) and I always wanted her in the next SSB, even though I later accepted it wouldn't ever happen, when I stopped being such a huge fangirl, so for her to actually be in SSB4 is pretty sweet, my younger self would be screaming.
Just thought I would put that out there is that is how I personally feel.
As an 11 year old girl, the few females SSBB had always bugged me slightly, so the great variety in SSB4 is a dream for me.
Plus when I was younger, I was a huge Rosalina fangirl (as you all are aware of) and I always wanted her in the next SSB, even though I later accepted it wouldn't ever happen, when I stopped being such a huge fangirl, so for her to actually be in SSB4 is pretty sweet, my younger self would be screaming.
Just thought I would put that out there is that is how I personally feel.
marioman1213
ROSERADE HAS RETURNED! ...As a Bombchu.
I agree with this. I like the approach Sakurai is taking and I hope to see it with other game in the future.Haruka Nanase said:
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
Even I agree. And I'm not going to play as any female but Rosie.Roserade the Real Bombchu said:
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
Bruh.Ninelevendo said:
Sheik.
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
If that were the case "Clone" wouldn't exist. 90% is still a clone.Dany Lannister said:
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
I would say Melee has clones, while Brawl's were semi-clones.
Toon Link isn't changing much from Brawl so he's still a semi-clone. We haven't seen enough of Lucina to determine if she's a clone or semi-clone.
Toon Link isn't changing much from Brawl so he's still a semi-clone. We haven't seen enough of Lucina to determine if she's a clone or semi-clone.
Shyghoul
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to my knowledge the word clone means "exactly the same"Ninelevendo said:
so a character that plays 90% the same as another character doesn't equal a clone character. if they play 100% the same as another character, then they'd be a clone.
I consider Melee Roy a semi Clone, Brawl Toon Link a Clone unlike most people.
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
Dany Lannister said:
Well then why do we bother using that word? A clone is generally a character that's roughly 100% with hardly any changes. Her specials are the same, for one thing. Even her animations are the same.
marioman1213
ROSERADE HAS RETURNED! ...As a Bombchu.
Are you just finding every way you can diss Lucina?Ninelevendo said:
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
Roserade the Real Bombchu said:
I'm trying to prove my point. Even the website agrees with me. It doesn't have her in the big "Newcomer" box because she would've been an alt costume if it weren't for extremely minor changes. Either way, she's a cool new edition, but not exactly a fresh, new character.
GalacticPetey
Donkey Kong
I disagree. Falco and Fox are very similar yet their playstyles are so different that Falco feels fresh.
I think we're gonna get a repeat of the Fox/Falco situation. During the transition from SSB64 to Melee, Fox underwent a lot of changes. His old attributes moved over to Falco. I think something similar is happening here. Marth is being revamped this time and Lucina is going to be inheriting his old strengths.
I think we're gonna get a repeat of the Fox/Falco situation. During the transition from SSB64 to Melee, Fox underwent a lot of changes. His old attributes moved over to Falco. I think something similar is happening here. Marth is being revamped this time and Lucina is going to be inheriting his old strengths.
SonicMario
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Maybe I should have realized this earlier. But Lucina's inclusion might be good news for fans of Lucas and Wolf. Both characters have been cited for cuts because they were seen as too similar to their veteran counterparts even though they were pretty different in reality. The addition of Lucina and probably Toon Link as well points to Semi-Clones are very much returnable.
WolfNorthern Verve said:
Clones
pick one.
[quote author=SmashWiki]Many newer and/or less knowledgeable players tend to assume Fox and Wolf are semi-clones, or even full clones, due to their special moves and Final Smash being similar (if not identical) in name and mostly identical in operation. However, closer inspection of their full movesets shows that even calling them semi-clones is difficult to rationalize, as the characters' physics are radically different, none of their standard attacks are similar, and even their similarly named special moves aren't exactly cloned moves (their neutral and up specials both function, animate, and look differently).[/quote]
So Lucina is a clone Marth, and Sakurai stresses that she's a separate character because of slight differences in the way she plays, and that's why she's not just an alternate costume for Marth.
Now this gives me a mixed feeling. For one, I know clones have been a major issue among certain fans, and they complain a lot about the likes of Luigi, Falco, Lucas, Toon Link, and even (or especially) the likes of Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, and Wolf. What makes this even more jarring is with the concept of customizable movesets, one could easily add slight changes to a character's moveset without resorting to creating a wholly new character. ...Then again, from what I've seen, the customizable movesets only seem to go as far as changing special moves, not normal moves, meaning you can change the likes of, say, Ness's PK Fire to be like Lucas's, but Ness still wouldn't be able to use Lucas's powerful up-smash. In the case of Lucina, her moveset is based on Marth's but as Sakurai pointed, Marth's attacks are more powerful at the tip of his sword then further into its blade, whereas Lucina's sword is more evenly spaced out. This can create a different play style, in that Marth players will try to have attacks hit at the tip while Lucina players won't have to worry too much about how her attacks hit their opponents as much.
Then again, there's still the issue of her still being a copy of Marth's moveset, and some people might be upset over getting a slightly different Marth as opposed to an actual new, original character...
Speaking only for myself, though... I don't even care. I never had a problem with clones, since no characters in Super Smash Bros. are fully identical in every way; whether it be a single move or how certain moves play out in terms of damage and knockback, every character feels unique. Even with Toon Link, who I'd argue is probably the closest thing to a true clone in Brawl, feels different whenever I play as him as opposed to regular Link, and I'm not just talking about how fast his moves are (his forward smash feels different, as well). In the case of Lucina, I like it; it feels like a nice bonus, and almost nece3ssary for me. If we just got Robin or Lucina (or Hell, even Chrom), I don't think it'd be nearly as interesting or exciting as getting both Robin and Lucina. It feels like a smart choice, especially given that I would have preferred Robin or Lucina to Chrom; not that I dislike Chrom, but it just feels very... obvious, and boring, and this way, it spices things up a bit.
But, that's just my take on it. I understand why others would be upset, but I'm not too upset about it.
Now this gives me a mixed feeling. For one, I know clones have been a major issue among certain fans, and they complain a lot about the likes of Luigi, Falco, Lucas, Toon Link, and even (or especially) the likes of Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, and Wolf. What makes this even more jarring is with the concept of customizable movesets, one could easily add slight changes to a character's moveset without resorting to creating a wholly new character. ...Then again, from what I've seen, the customizable movesets only seem to go as far as changing special moves, not normal moves, meaning you can change the likes of, say, Ness's PK Fire to be like Lucas's, but Ness still wouldn't be able to use Lucas's powerful up-smash. In the case of Lucina, her moveset is based on Marth's but as Sakurai pointed, Marth's attacks are more powerful at the tip of his sword then further into its blade, whereas Lucina's sword is more evenly spaced out. This can create a different play style, in that Marth players will try to have attacks hit at the tip while Lucina players won't have to worry too much about how her attacks hit their opponents as much.
Then again, there's still the issue of her still being a copy of Marth's moveset, and some people might be upset over getting a slightly different Marth as opposed to an actual new, original character...
Speaking only for myself, though... I don't even care. I never had a problem with clones, since no characters in Super Smash Bros. are fully identical in every way; whether it be a single move or how certain moves play out in terms of damage and knockback, every character feels unique. Even with Toon Link, who I'd argue is probably the closest thing to a true clone in Brawl, feels different whenever I play as him as opposed to regular Link, and I'm not just talking about how fast his moves are (his forward smash feels different, as well). In the case of Lucina, I like it; it feels like a nice bonus, and almost nece3ssary for me. If we just got Robin or Lucina (or Hell, even Chrom), I don't think it'd be nearly as interesting or exciting as getting both Robin and Lucina. It feels like a smart choice, especially given that I would have preferred Robin or Lucina to Chrom; not that I dislike Chrom, but it just feels very... obvious, and boring, and this way, it spices things up a bit.
But, that's just my take on it. I understand why others would be upset, but I'm not too upset about it.