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I dunno, it doesn't seem like a terrible page: let's not get too trigger-happy about deleting pages... Maybe just remove the generic ladder stuff like SMB2 and LM (i.e. just put them in the "other appearances" list), but leave DK, DK94, NSMB (since the ladders are affected by the wind, which seems worth noting) and SPM (Bowser can't climb, so again, noteworthy). Maybe even compact it further to not give NSMB and SPM sections, just have a line about each in the "other appearances" section (same with the MP minigame).
 
Per Walkazo, It is is significant to the gameplay of DK and DK94, and they "have a function which is different from the real world counterpart" in NSMB. However, as for SPM, a line in the into of the article is probably good. I bet "other appearances" is going to be larger than the rest of the article. And no, the article is not stupid, it is just filled-with-too-much-unnecessary-information.
 
Okay then.

But it still needs some edits.

Like how "Spike" used to be "pointy stuff that hurts Mario" or something like that.
 
I just have some questions regarding Mario, specifically, the "Other appearances" section.

Mario is a special case because hardly any other video game character has made so much appearances not only within his own series, but in outside games as well. How will we cover "Other appearances"? Disregard the Super Mario-Kun part, as it should be integrated within the article history anyway.

Right now, the section is some parts about merchandising, some parts about cameos, but we can't document all of it because it would be impractical, of course. So, what should be here and what shouldn't be here? I've linked "List of Mario references" as well, but this is surprisingly hard for me to decide what kind of information belongs here and deciding if it's notable or excessive or something.
 
I still think Bowser's page (Bowser#Other_appearances.2C_cameos_and_references) is a good example of what to do. I.e. the section would have all the Mario series games and other media that haven't been fit into the History as a whole. As for non-Mario appearances, I'd say anything where he's playable or otherwise plays a significant role would be worth mentioning, but with a "see the list pages for more minor cameos" note.

As for Toys and other Merch, maybe make a "Merchandise" subheader in the overall "Other Appearances" section and use the Empty Section Policy as a guide: talk about Nintendo Monopoly and Chess and anything else we have dedicated pages for, maybe throw in the McDonalds picture as an example of the sorta partnerships or whatever that Mario's been involved with, and again, any other really major/interesting tidbits, with the {{main}} at the top of the section indicating that there's more on the other pages.
 
I assume you're talking about List of rumors and urban legends about Mario? As long as something's a well-known urban legend, it can go there. My sabout it when the idea was first floated were:

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A mainspace "List of misconceptions about the Mario series" page could be interesting as long as we keep an eye on it to make sure everything there are legitimate urban legends with refs and things to prove it (and not a place for kids to dump headcanons).
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How do we "source" something being a common misconception, though? For things like Super Mario FX, you can show examples of game journos getting it wrong, but things related to continuity or factoids about an individual character are more awkward.
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Source the truth to debunk the misconceptions. I.e. cite a Japanese thing calling the Koopalings Bowser's kids, or Dayvv Brooks' edits here telling us that Larry's named after Larry Mullen Jr. of U2, etc.
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Really, there isn't much more to say than "cite your sources, use common sense, and trust the hive mind to remove excessive fanon that doesn't belong here". This is a very case-by-case sorta thing. Most people probably won't bother reading a policy page about it anyway.
 
Well it's just the "this is a well known rumor, I'll put it here because only fans could think of this and didn't have any evidence to back it up." that strikes me. I mean, if we are putting rumours, we would need to be able to stop peolple from just filling out the page with fan made creations. It would be better if they had at least a small amount of truth in them.
 
If they put stupid stuff up, we take it back down. You don't need a policy page for this kinda thing, you just need a reasonable argument.
 
Walkazo said:
If they put stupid stuff up, we take it back down. You don't need a policy page for this kinda thing, you just need a reasonable argument.
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Like what I did for the Luigi hanging "myth".

In Luigi's Mansion, if Luigi goes to the Telephone Room during the blackout, he can talk to Toad. However, when the lightning strikes, Luigi's shadow appears to be floating in mid-air. Some say the shadow had a noose around the neck, and arms on the sides. Many rumors stated about the cause. Some think it's a glitch, but some think it's an easter egg. Other speculated that Luigi had commit suicide, and other think Luigi is a ghost and the mansion is his purgatory. It's also thought that the shadow was from an earlier beta stage.
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This is what shouldn't go here. No sources and a lot of vague statements.
 
After thinking about it, I feel MarioWiki:Minor NPCs is an undercooked, poorly thought-out policy. There are unnamed NPcs that have as much unique dialogue, characterization and (non-existant) plot relevance as named NPCs, but they don't get pages solely on account on not having a name, which strikes me as being just as arbitrary as the old (and mercifully replaced) "named levels get individual pages/numbered levels don't" standard.

Rather than the name being the prime factor for coverage, it would make much more sense to determine if a NPC deserve a page based on the amount of content that can be written about them, which means most of the Paper Mario series' NPCs would deserve pages while the M&L and SMRPG NPCs (which typically have no name and one/two line of dialogue) wouldn't - just like how regular platformer levels (or erm, are supposed to) have full pages while Donkey Kong Country's short and non-descript "boss levels" don't.

But yeah, enough rambling. What do ya'all think?
 
I feel like the page was probably made as a way to curb over-eager page creation back in the day. But yeah, I'd say the wiki's evolved past desperate measures. It'd be better to replace it with a section in MW:NAP or something saying something along the lines of "characters who do shit get pages".
 
Spawning Point

Kind of hard to believe this is an actual article at first. Any way to rewrite it to make it more useful?
 
Why the hell are Checkpoint (Mario Kart) and Spawn Point (Mario Kart) NOT articles yet?

Can't this article just be merged into their respective levels they appear in.
 
Would be useful if we were a wiki on technical aspects of video games, but we aren't. I can't see making this page into anything of value.
 
I thought initially the article was about a teleportation point, but it deals with... item cloning? I'd be slightly more useful if it dealt with 1-up Mushrooms randomly spawning... but it doesn't seem like it. The article is just a garbled mess of technical-sounding crap.
 
Thus my point. Move the cloning or whatever to the glitches page if it isn't already there, and we could probably just delete it.
 
As Vommack said, we don't deal with the technical aspects of video games. it's the same reason Custom Mario Kart Wiki covers stuff like checkpoints, CPU routes, etc. and we don't
 
I'll just point out that the entire article has essentially been written by a single user, which was about a month ago. I'd be all for just deleting it, or at the very least just merging the relevant bits to a glitch page.
 
Time Turner said:
I'd be all for just deleting it, or at the very least just merging the relevant bits to a glitch page.
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I support this.
 
Yes, yes. I added the mergeto template. Let's see how it goes. If not, TPP proposal and 2 weeks *grimace*.
 
i thought at first that article was about the flower bed you can use to teleport in bomb-omb battlefield.

I'm all for making pages on gameplay mechanics, but this isn't one; it's an aspect of game scripting, and making pages on things like hitboxes or event flags would be overkill as far as I'm concerned.
 
Hitboxes are put into a whole page for each game or on the respective article on smash wiki, so nice point.

Like I said here, I don't think the page should exist.
 
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