The Official E3 2014 Thread

[Ray Trace]

The more I think about it....the more I think hacking Brawl really spoiled me.

 

[GalacticPetey]

I've seen a lot of that online, especially due to Project M. That mod was designed to be a competitive fighter. Smash 4 is still at its core a party game. It will still be played competitively. Heck, I can see it replacing Brawl at most tourneys. Back to the point, I've seen a lot of comparing that the characters don't look balanced and that the stages are too gimmicky. People need to understand that this is not gonna be a super balanced, competitive fighter like PM.

But with Namco helping with balancing plus all the acknowledgements to the competitive scene make me think this will be a step in the right direction.

 

[Ray Trace]

It's not just Project M...it's also the characters, stupid menu text, stupid HUD, and custom music, custom PSAs and all of that good crap that made modding phenomenal.

Some of the stages look fun to play on. I haven't seen a shtty stage like Mario Bros. or 75m so far...I'm those idiots who like stage hazards when done right and not when they're annoyingly stupid like some of those aforementioned stages.

 

[GalacticPetey]

In a few years, it may be possible to mod the Wii U, so there's that.

What I love about the newest Smash game is just how "fresh" it is. All the newcomers are unique, everything looks nice and polished, and a lot of older characters are getting tweaked. The whole game just looks and feels new.

I agree that most of the stages look good. Nothing too ridiculous like 75m or Rumble Falls, at least not yet. We are far from knowing all the stages.

 

[Ray Trace]

To me, it just looks like "Brawl, but with more characters and prettier graphics". I know it's not the case at all, the physics engine changed and it's not necessarily a BAD thing to be more of the same. After all, this is what Smash is about, it doesn't NEED a drastic change like, say, Mario platformers do. But something about it just FEELS like it's gonna be like Brawl to me. I dunno, I haven't looked at enough gameplay videos and fun stuff like that. Or I'm just a little bit unexcited because barely any of my favorite Smashers returned yet, like Ice Climbers or Ness.

 

[Daniel Dyce]

It's not just Project M...it's also the characters, stupid menu text, stupid HUD, and custom music, custom PSAs and all of that good crap that made modding phenomenal.

Some of the stages look fun to play on. I haven't seen a shtty stage like Mario Bros. or 75m so far...I'm those idiots who like stage hazards when done right and not when they're annoyingly stupid like some of those aforementioned stages.

That's why you only play on Final Destination like a real man

 

[SonicMario]

Or I'm just a little bit unexcited because barely any of my favorite Smashers returned yet, like Ice Climbers or Ness.

Rest assured Ness will return. I think Ice Climbers will as well if Sakurai has figured out Rosalina and Luma on the 3DS version. I'm also looking forward to Ness' return myself actually. Since he's one of my mains in Brawl/Project M.

 

[Ray Trace]

That's why you only play on Final Destination like a real man

I'm no man....and I hate Final Destination.

Or I'm just a little bit unexcited because barely any of my favorite Smashers returned yet, like Ice Climbers or Ness.

Rest assured Ness will return. I think Ice Climbers will as well if Sakurai has figured out Rosalina and Luma on the 3DS version. I'm also looking forward to Ness' return myself actually. Since he's one of my mains in Brawl/Project M.

I'm sure he'll return. Ness is part of the original 12 and the star of his own series. So yeah, someone will be a ghost if Ness doesn't return.

 

[Anser]

I still think that the "The Original 12 will always come back" theory is bullshit. Sakurai has never said that. I'm sure Ness will return, though. Hopefully Lucas will too.

And I hope Jigglypuff gets cut, even though I recognize it's very unlikely. Mewtwo MUST return as well.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

I still think that the "The Original 12 will always come back" theory is bullshit. Sakurai has never said that. I'm sure Ness will return, though. Hopefully Lucas will too.

And I hope Jigglypuff gets cut, even though I recognize it's very unlikely. Mewtwo MUST return as well.

Um, no.

The original 12 is not a bullshit argument. That's like with the MK64 classic 8. They aren't going to change the roster and exclude one of them after they have appeared in all Smash Bros. games to date. Sakurai may not have said that the Original 12 must come back, but he has indirectly inferred it when he said that he wanted to cut as little characters as possible. The fact that he wants to keep as many of the past characters means that he is definitely not going to cut the original roster. I mean, we have had surprise returns of Ike and Toon Link, which proves that he isn't going to cut characters unless for some reason that we do not know.

Jigglypuff is still very popular in Japan, and as many have said already, her change to a part-Fairy type only strengthens her chances of getting back in, since she is still relevant to the game. And of course people say "well, she was a late addition to Brawl". Maybe she was one of the last characters to be added, and maybe it was because they knew that programming Jigglypuff into the game was not that difficult to do. And maybe that's why she has not been confirmed yet into the game. I also feel like Ness took a long time to be announced as well. Can't remember Captain Falcon's announcement in terms of development.

And Mewtwo has a...very slim to none chance of returning. Mewtwo was cut for a reason, and the fact that we have Greninja means that Mewtwo is basically very unlikely. We already have 9 newcomers, and probably not many left. I highly doubt that we'll see two newcomers from the same series again, even though Pokemon had two newcomers the last time. This time around they seemed to be more focused on bringing out new representations from Nintendo's other series that have not been introduced into the games. I mean, 2/3rds of the newcomers are the only reps for their series (2 being third parties), while the other three are for Mario, Pokemon, and Kid Icarus. The most likely next set of newcomers will be probably in Fire Emblem or Zelda if we are talking in terms of IPs that are already being presented, while many potentials from new IPs such as Rhythm Heaven, Golden Sun, and Xenoblade could rep their series in Sm4sh.

I'm going to stop ranting now because this thread is about E3 2014, not Smash.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

That's why you only play on Final Destination like a real man

I'm no man....and I hate Final Destination.

no no NO

you had this beautiful window, this perfect moment to quote lotr, and you BLEW IT

you should have said

I am no man.

 

[Toad Eightyfive]

How many new newcomers would there be? 33 have been confirmed so far, and assuming the only returning character they exclude is the Trainer, that brings it to 48. If they go for an even 50, that should only leave two more?

 

[Ray Trace]

That's why you only play on Final Destination like a real man

I'm no man....and I hate Final Destination.

no no NO

you had this beautiful window, this perfect moment to quote lotr, and you BLEW IT

you should have said

I am no man.

Sorry this didn't fly past my mind

 

[GalacticPetey]

How many new newcomers would there be? 33 have been confirmed so far, and assuming the only returning character they exclude is the Trainer, that brings it to 48. If they go for an even 50, that should only leave two more?

Shulk
Chrom
Chrous Men

 

[freakworld]

How many new newcomers would there be? 33 have been confirmed so far, and assuming the only returning character they exclude is the Trainer, that brings it to 48. If they go for an even 50, that should only leave two more?

Shulk
Chrom
Chrous Men

Ridley

 

[Giga12]

If the Gematsu leak is right, subtract Snake and Lucas and, add Chorus Men, Chrom and Shulk and we have 47.

 

[Anser]

I still think that the "The Original 12 will always come back" theory is bullshit. Sakurai has never said that. I'm sure Ness will return, though. Hopefully Lucas will too.

And I hope Jigglypuff gets cut, even though I recognize it's very unlikely. Mewtwo MUST return as well.

Um, no.

The original 12 is not a bullshit argument. That's like with the MK64 classic 8. They aren't going to change the roster and exclude one of them after they have appeared in all Smash Bros. games to date. Sakurai may not have said that the Original 12 must come back, but he has indirectly inferred it when he said that he wanted to cut as little characters as possible. The fact that he wants to keep as many of the past characters means that he is definitely not going to cut the original roster. I mean, we have had surprise returns of Ike and Toon Link, which proves that he isn't going to cut characters unless for some reason that we do not know.

Jigglypuff is still very popular in Japan, and as many have said already, her change to a part-Fairy type only strengthens her chances of getting back in, since she is still relevant to the game. And of course people say "well, she was a late addition to Brawl". Maybe she was one of the last characters to be added, and maybe it was because they knew that programming Jigglypuff into the game was not that difficult to do. And maybe that's why she has not been confirmed yet into the game. I also feel like Ness took a long time to be announced as well. Can't remember Captain Falcon's announcement in terms of development.

And Mewtwo has a...very slim to none chance of returning. Mewtwo was cut for a reason, and the fact that we have Greninja means that Mewtwo is basically very unlikely. We already have 9 newcomers, and probably not many left. I highly doubt that we'll see two newcomers from the same series again, even though Pokemon had two newcomers the last time. This time around they seemed to be more focused on bringing out new representations from Nintendo's other series that have not been introduced into the games. I mean, 2/3rds of the newcomers are the only reps for their series (2 being third parties), while the other three are for Mario, Pokemon, and Kid Icarus. The most likely next set of newcomers will be probably in Fire Emblem or Zelda if we are talking in terms of IPs that are already being presented, while many potentials from new IPs such as Rhythm Heaven, Golden Sun, and Xenoblade could rep their series in Sm4sh.

I'm going to stop ranting now because this thread is about E3 2014, not Smash.

Your first argument is invalid to me. Until I see a quote of Sakurai stating that the original 12 will never be replaced, I still call bullshit. Your example of the classic 8 isn't very good either, since the actual original 8 characters from Mario Kart included Donkey Kong Jr and Koopa Troopa, the former disappearing for good from the second game on and the latter getting cut in the next two games after the series' debut.

Yeah, yeah, I know that the whole Fairy-type thing increases her chances of returning, and whoever denies that Jigglypuff is coming back is just a fool. It's just that I don't want her to return.

Now, about Mewtwo...

Let's remember that Mewtwo has been planned for all three installments in the first place. He didn't get in the first one due to technical limitations, he appeared in Melee and was absent from Brawl due to time constraints, being almost fully programmed. Mewtwo's relevance is high again because he was one of the main characters in a recent Pokémon movie and was a catchable Pokémon in X and Y, plus he is one of the only two Pokémon that received not one, but two Mega Evolutions. Not only that, but Mewtwo is literally the most requested character for the game, even more than any other newcomer. Also let's remember that Sakurai jumped in at a conference to say "We're thinking about it" when he wasn't even being asked directly whether Mewtwo was returning or not. If there's a character with chances of returning, it's Mewtwo, honestly.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Your first argument is invalid to me. Until I see a quote of Sakurai stating that the original 12 will never be replaced, I still call bullshit. Your example of the classic 8 isn't very good either, since the actual original 8 characters from Mario Kart included Donkey Kong Jr and Koopa Troopa, the former disappearing for good from the second game on and the latter getting cut in the next two games after the series' debut.

I said since MK64, not from SMK. There's a big difference. And is it invalid because you don't see all the indirect statements, or because you're unwilling to consider that even without Sakurai having say anything, it's almost a given that the Original 12 will be in all Smash Bros. games? The MK producers never said that Rainbow Road HAS to appear in every Mario Kart game as the last course, but it still does, installment after installment (for some reason, I'm giving a lot of Mario Kart examples out). Is it a bullshit statement to say that in MK9 there will be a Rainbow Road?

Give me a reason why they would make alterations in the Original 12, after every game in the series has them as a playable character. 10 out of the 12 are the main representation of their own series, and the other 2 are reps for the series that already have biggest number of reps and are from the top two best selling series Nintendo has.

 

[Shy Guy Forever]

How many new newcomers would there be? 33 have been confirmed so far, and assuming the only returning character they exclude is the Trainer, that brings it to 48. If they go for an even 50, that should only leave two more?

Shulk
Chrom
Chrous Men

Ridley

Shy Guy

 

[Shyghoul]

How many new newcomers would there be? 33 have been confirmed so far, and assuming the only returning character they exclude is the Trainer, that brings it to 48. If they go for an even 50, that should only leave two more?

Shulk
Chrom
Chrous Men

Ridley

Shy Guy

won't happen

 

[Shy Guy Forever]

How many new newcomers would there be? 33 have been confirmed so far, and assuming the only returning character they exclude is the Trainer, that brings it to 48. If they go for an even 50, that should only leave two more?

Shulk
Chrom
Chrous Men

Ridley

Shy Guy

won't happen

Don't be so *bleep*ing mean to people for wanting a character.

 

[Shyghoul]

Uh, I just said Shy Guy won't happen. How does that translate to being mean?

 

[Shy Guy Forever]

That means you say a character won't happen as if they have a 0% chance.

 

[Shyghoul]

...your point is?

 

[Shy Guy Forever]

...your point is?

You could have just said he was unlikely instead of impossible.