Unpopular opinions about the Super Smash Bros series.

[Lumastar]

I actually don't want to see the Baby Bros. The idea comes from a now decade-old title, their moveset would likely not rep the Yoshi series outside of maybe like one move, there is a much better character choice if they were Yoshi reps, there are many better character choices if they were Mario reps, and they simply don't seem important enough to include.

What's wrong with having a moveset coming from a "decade-old" title? We have characters that are literally DECADES old since their last game came out? The age of a moveset does not determine "moveset potential", if a character adds something new to the game, who the crap gives a hoot about the age of it. Seriously that's like the first time I ever heard that argument.

I agree that Toad should get in before them but there isn't much Mario reps left to include. If you say Daisy and Waluigi are better Mario reps, eh, that's debatable.

Kamek just feels...generic. Like, not in the Toad or Yoshi or Pokemon sense, he's literally a generic enemy with a name. That's how I see him. I understand why people would want him because he plays a major role in stuff and he can have a fun moveset and all but as I said, he feels like a generic enemy. If later games updated him to have his own personality and stuff maybe I can seriously consider him but as of now, I'm not fond of including him as a Yoshi rep.

First off, it's my opinion, and if it's unpopular then it belongs in this thread.

Second, why are you downing characters like Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Kamek yet supporting a character that is arguably worse to include than all of them? I get that you like Baby Luigi (and Mario), but you need to face the facts. Waluigi could represent the spin-offs and be a good WTF character to include. Paper Mario would represent the RPGs. Kamek could have a unique moveset involving his magic, and he has also had important roles in the main Mario series in addition to the Yoshi series. Nowadays, the babies are just spin-off characters. Even in the Yoshi series, they hardly do anything outside of Yoshi's Island DS. The reason that the Baby Bros. idea is so popular is because that's the best way they could work in Smash, and even then that would make them moreso Mario reps than Yoshi reps.

And about the decades-old thing: this isn't a unique series. This is one game in the Mario series that is considered the weakest of the Mario & Luigi games by many. Duck Hunt is old, but it's iconic. Kid Icarus was old, but it was decently-known, actually had a sequel, and was its own franchise.

A bit better, but I still don't agree. We don't need another Mario, and if we do get another one I'd rather have Paper Mario, Doc Mario, or even one of the more fleshed-out power-up forms (i.e. Tanooki Mario).

So you would rather have this incarnation of Mario who is literally Mario but in another art-style, which sounds like an arbitrary reason to make a separate character? Hell I probably even support Tanooki Mario AND Dr. Mario in the same game over Paper Mario; Tanooki Mario is at the very least his OWN selectable character in Mario Kart 8.

Like I said above, Paper Mario would represent the Mario RPGs, eight highly-praised titles and one modestly praised titles that all sold well. At least that would be a new sub-series being represented. Baby Mario would just be another Mario or Yoshi rep. Dr. Mario is also the same character, and he doesn't even have a unique art style. He's in Smash. Why? He's a quick character to make and he's currently the only character repping a Nintendo puzzle series. I would rather have several other characters, but you have to admit that Tanooki Mario has potential.

You want to know the problem with having Baby Mario (and Baby Luigi)? They're dull, they're pointless, and the devs would either have to create a moveset from scratch or pull from everywhere (mostly the decade-old Partners in Time) to make a good moveset for him/them. It wouldn't be worth it. Besides, not that many people would actually want them over several other, better additions.

 

[Ray Trace]

First off, it's my opinion, and if it's unpopular then it belongs in this thread.

Actually, the opinion I have is the one that's unpopular. Not many people request for the Baby Bros. like we do, and having a preference over someone else is actually the norm around here. So in this case, you're the one who's kinda "refuting" someone else's rather unpopular opinion. Think about it for a moment.

Second, why are you downing characters like Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Kamek yet supporting a character that is arguably worse to include than all of them?

Waluigi is arguably worse because he has little to NO relevance to the main Mario series as a whole. I've already stated my opinions about Kamek and Paper Mario.

Waluigi could represent the spin-offs and be a good WTF character to include.

Peach already represents several spin-off aspects by having her forward smash use several weapons from spin-offs. We have Mario Kart as a stage. In fact, I think Toad is better off fulfilling those spin-off aspects simply because Waluigi is literally doing things that every other Mario character can do. Waluigi is as fine as an Assist Trophy as he already is.

Paper Mario would represent the RPGs.

As well as Mario & Luigi art-styled Mario. I really don't see the point there: the Mario RPGs aren't even that popular to begin with. Might as well get a Mario Party rep or a Mario Tennis rep as well, eh?

Kamek could have a unique moveset involving his magic, and he has also had important roles in the main Mario series in addition to the Yoshi series.

I have LITERALLY stated that in my post. Maybe I should repeat this again for further reference because you're obviously cherry-picking things I had stated. I had STATED that I have an understanding of why people want Kamek. Unfortunately you don't seem to realize that I had said that and proceed to pick out my personal opinions and attack them.

You don't need to tell me to look at the big picture when I already have a clear understanding of it and I had demonstrated so.

Nowadays, the babies are just spin-off characters. Even in the Yoshi series, they hardly do anything outside of Yoshi's Island DS. The reason that the Baby Bros. idea is so popular is because that's the best way they could work in Smash, and even then that would make them moreso Mario reps than Yoshi reps.

This is probably your only strong point but then again you advocated Waluigi who also happens to be a spin-off only character, in the same vein as those guys. They hardly do anything other than whatever Artoon/Arzest did something unimaginable yes. I can see that. However they at least played a major role in at least one game, and are considered paramount characters in Yoshi's Island, an important series to Mario whereas Waluigi has yet to fufil a major role in ANY game (Dance Dance Revolution is NOT a good example here).

I hardly see anyone say this idea other than fans of the idea themselves like me, because god forbid I have this idealistic desire to want them in Smash despite the realistic possibilities strongly against it.

And about the decades-old thing: this isn't a unique series. This is one game in the Mario series that is considered the weakest of the Mario & Luigi games by many. Duck Hunt is old, but it's iconic. Kid Icarus was old, but it was decently-known, actually had a sequel, and was its own franchise.

The overall reception of the series has no bearing on whether a character should receive a moveset from the said series. We have Dr. Mario has a character and as far as I know, Dr. Mario isn't like the most beloved series out there.

Hell, assets from Metroid: The Other M THROW this argument out the window and into the street.

Like I said above, Paper Mario would represent the Mario RPGs, eight highly-praised titles and one modestly praised titles that all sold well.

As I said, great recepted titles are a non-sequitur to a character's inclusion. Sales wise, it's a bit stronger argument but last time I checked, Paper Mario is far more humble in sales than most Mario series.

At least that would be a new sub-series being represented. Baby Mario would just be another Mario or Yoshi rep.

We really don't need another Mario sub-series represented in all-honesty. And besides, what's stopping Paper Mario to be categorized alongside the Mario series?

Dr. Mario is also the same character, and he doesn't even have a unique art style. He's in Smash. Why? He's a quick character to make and he's currently the only character repping an Nintendo puzzle series.

The sole reason I don't use Dr. Mario as a counter-argument is that he's primarily not well-received at all. People lambast him for simply being Mario in a lab-coat, and he has never been his own selectable character in a Mario game. I can see that. And for a Nintendo puzzle series rep, I would much rather have Lip from Panel de Pon to represent that than Dr. Mario.

You want to know the problem with having Baby Mario (and Baby Luigi)? They're dull, they're pointless, and the devs would either have to create a moveset from scratch or pull from everywhere (mostly the decade-old Partners in Time) to make a good moveset for him/them. It wouldn't be worth it.

Being "dull" and "pointless" is a 100% subjective argument, especially when I 100% disagree with the claim. And what's wrong with creating a moveset from scratch or using earlier moves from "dat decade old game"? What if the moveset is fun, inventive, like, the same reason Rosalina is in Smash Bros.? If they could implement a fun moveset that makes them unique, then who the hell cares if the moveset is from a decade old game?

Besides, not that many people would actually want them over several other, better additions.

Hence why it's an unpopular opinion! Good job pointing out the purpose of this thread, sparky.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

And about the decades-old thing: this isn't a unique series. This is one game in the Mario series that is considered the weakest of the Mario & Luigi games by many. Duck Hunt is old, but it's iconic. Kid Icarus was old, but it was decently-known, actually had a sequel, and was its own franchise.

And Ice Climbers?

Additionally, we don't say "these guys represent aspects of the Mario series". With your argument, you can say that Mini Marios, Wanda, Tatanga, Wart, Tumble, the humans from Mario Golf games, Foreman Spike, etc. should be playable because they represent the rich diversity of the Mario games. Now, they may not be the most iconic characters, but I can argue that they represent the more obscure aspects of the Mario series or the well-known spinoffs. And it would still be a ridiculous argument, but that's your argument.

 

[Megamario15]

I support the Mini Marios, with the other minis as alts.

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

how on earth would a mini donkey kong have the same moveset as a mini mario

 

[Megamario15]

how on earth would a mini donkey kong have the same moveset as a mini mario

Who says this is on Earth?

 

[Glitchy Bowser Jr.]

I would like Baby Characters.

Baby Mario, please
and exploding Baby Luigi
(I really can't get over that, can I)

i really just can't take anything you say seriously anymore

The babies as a duo like the Ice Climbers would actually make a good Yoshi's Island rep.

I think the majority of characters should have unique alts. Like how Wario, Villager, Zero Suit Samus, Wii Fit Trainer, Robin, etc had alts that were meaningful and took more effort than a simple recolor. It's fine for a character known for having color variants (Yoshi, Kirby) to have that as their alts (though Yoshi could at least have Boshi and Kirby could maybe have some transformation hats that aren't based on other characters) but since when is Luigi a character known for appearing in different colors? At least Mario had one meaningful alt (the patriotic clothing) but Luigi's alts were all just generic recolors. Why not Mr. L? Dr. Luigi (if not an alt for Dr. Mario)?

One of the Luigi alts was actually his design from a Mario anime. But Mr. L would be a cool alt.

 

[Ray Trace]

The problem is that I don't want them playing EXACTLY like Ice Climbers

I have a moveset that involves swapping them out mid-match. Like they're still paired together and together in one screen but they have like different abilities and stuff when you switch places and....man I don't really have any motivation to flesh out my idea.

 

[Glitchy Bowser Jr.]

The problem is that I don't want them playing EXACTLY like Ice Climbers

I have a moveset that involves swapping them out mid-match. Like they're still paired together and together in one screen but they have like different abilities and stuff when you switch places and....man I don't really have any motivation to flesh out my idea.

I said like the Ice Climbers, not the same. I was just using them as a comparison.

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

I think she took it as "playstyle" so when you said "like the Ice Climbers", you said the playstyle with two people at once.

I think Baby Mario piggybacking on Baby Luigi would work without resembling too much like the Ice Climbers.

 

[Ray Trace]

I think Baby Mario piggybacking on Baby Luigi would work without resembling too much like the Ice Climbers.

That would be kinda ridiculous but whatever makes them more different than the 'Climbers...

 

[LeftyGreenMario]

I think Baby Mario piggybacking on Baby Luigi would work without resembling too much like the Ice Climbers.

That would be kinda ridiculous but whatever makes them more different than the 'Climbers...

Baby Mario can throw Baby Luigi around with his attacks. I think it would actually be interesting with the ideas you can come up with.

 

[Megamario15]

I think Baby Mario piggybacking on Baby Luigi would work without resembling too much like the Ice Climbers.

That would be kinda ridiculous but whatever makes them more different than the 'Climbers...

Baby Mario can throw Baby Luigi around with his attacks. I think it would actually be interesting with the ideas you can come up with.

and for the final smash, Baby Luigi explodes

I think that that's an excellent idea, LGM.

 

[Lumastar]

I'm done arguing, but I still don't want the Baby Bros. and really doubt their inclusion.

And if the Baby Bros. did make it in, their Final Smash would likely involve their Superstar Forms.

 

[Ray Trace]

I'm done arguing, but I still don't want the Baby Bros. and really doubt their inclusion.

Really, no one asked for your opinion in the first place

it's called an "unpopular" opinion for a reason

 

[Mcmadness]

There shoulda been a new kirby and DK character over the new FE and KI characters.

 

[Smashley]

I agree that DK should have gotten a new character (or even two), but not necessarily over KI and FE.

(Kirby though I think is just fine with the main trio, as much as I love the series)



Rosalina should have been an Assist Trophy and then promoted to playable in Smash 5.

She certainly shouldn't be cut now that she's here but I think it might have been a tad early for her to be playable.

 

[Mcmadness]

I'd totally play as Bandana Dee.

 

[Smashley]

eh I was a supporter of his a couple of years ago but now I'm kind of meh on him.

certainly the best choice for a fourth Kirby character if we needed one though.

 

[Mcmadness]

He's got the spear of power!

 

[Ray Trace]

I'd actually kinda prefer Magolor over Bandana Dee

 

[Smashley]

actually thinking about it more I think I would probably agree

 

[Mcmadness]

I'd actually kinda prefer Magolor over Bandana Dee

But....the spear!

 

[Ray Trace]

Spear ability is cool and all, one of my favorite abilities in return to dreamland....but I feel Magolor is more interesting.

 

[Mcmadness]

What can he do anyway? We don't see much of his natural abilities

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