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And yes, I do realize that she killed him before he could do so. This is assuming that she never attempted to do so in the first place

Yea I just realized that a couple of days ago; you find him so late in the game, so his role on the hero side of things was almost nothing

The Illuminati did!!! I kid! Probably Bowser

What do you think would have happened if Grodus actually sent the Shadow Queen "back to the depths" like he said he would if she disobeyed him? Would he have kept fighting, given up, or done something else? I demand that there be no chewing off of heads in this thread if someone disagrees with...

Luigi being the "chosen" wielder of the Chaos Heart in Super Paper Mario and ultimately ending up as the final boss. That just bothered me when I first played through the game, because I loved Bleck so much and wasn't too fond of the idea of having Luigi as the final boss

@Gregor: It is a figure of speech; being capable of understanding the plot does not automatically make it equal to or inferior in complexity than that of a game with an otherwise simple storyline (which in turn takes place in a series where the majority of the games have very simple storylines...

True, but I wouldn't consider the plot of Superstar Saga very complex either. PM and SS were still very simple compared to this one, Super Paper Mario, and the other Mario and Luigi games (which I haven't played BTW, but have read plot details)

I definitely "get it". But it is still rather complicated because, well, most of the Mario games that I have played feature only one main villain who has one goal. I know how the plot plays out, but that does not make the plot any less complex than what you would find in, say, Super Mario 64...

Who's TC? Please don't associate confusion with immaturity; those are two COMPLETELY different things. Immaturity is hating on a game when you have never played it; confusion is not knowing what the heck is going on because you have never experienced such a complicated storyline. For the...

I just came across this piece of badassery yesterday, and goddamn is it awesome!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX8HmhATn_8 What other good Mario remixes have you guys found? Post them here!

Haha! Well no wonder why I have had so many issues watching the Dark Knight movies... Those movies are a mess

Sorry, I misread. It is not necessarily "too much" for me (in fact I thoroughly enjoy it. It is unique), but just that it is really my first game that I played with such a complex storyline. Again, it is not too much, just something that I have not yet seen before.

OMG so true! :D I am surprised that this hasn't happened yet. Aside from Mario, we have Luigi, Peach, Wario, Yoshi, Toad, and Donkey Kong. It is time for Bowser!

That would be like saying that Electro in Amazing Spiderman 2 is just for comic relief because he is, albeit one of the most sympathetic villains IMO, still quite humorous and arrogant. Oh, and he downright hates Spiderman! Bowser was still a villain in this game, although minor. I like it too...

Re: Super Mario Theme Park I was thinking about the Nintendo theme park idea. A real life Nintendoland (except not based on the game). For actual Mario rides, there could definitely be a Mario Go Kart attraction where it is basically just like traditional go-carts except the carts are based...

^I for one do no deny that there are only a few different villain factions. But a single faction can still have multiple villains which can be considered significant enough to contribute to the main plot. Lord Crump for example is the heavy to Grodus. He is basically your rival throughout the...

I would much rather had both Grodus and Count Bleck as the final bosses of their respective games. Sure, maybe Count Bleck was more of an anti-villain unlike Dimentio, but Dimentio ending up as the final boss of the game seemed way too rushed, even if his goals were sort of vivid early-on. And...

Let me just say that I DO NOT HATE IT WHEN MOVIES OR GAMES HAVE MULTIPLE AND INTERESTING ANTAGONISTS AND/OR COMPLEX PLOTS. I actually enjoy that quite a bit, a lot more-so than if you have one villain that is not all that interesting. But was the amount of villains in Thousand Year Door really...

I recently just played through TTYD, and I gotta say, there seems to be way too many different villains in the game (or to the least, villain affiliations) First, you have Sir Grodus and the X-nauts. That right there is one grouping with a goal of taking over the world. Then you have Beldam and...

I have always wondered why Super Dimentio was chosen to be in the form of Luigi instead of Bowser or someone else (a Bowser-form of Super Dimentio would be sick!). I know that it had something to do with the prophecy, but why did the GAME DEVELOPERS choose to use Luigi?