Can Town (The Official Homestuck Thread)

[Tyrell Badd]

me and smasher losing to pantaro and bmb?

dammit smasher stealing my identity even when he doesnt post

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Hopefully that cartridge blowout thing at the end got rid of all the glitch shit.

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Seeing as his regular windy thing cleared it out locally a few times, doing the biggest windy thing of all should hopefully do the rest - plus it looked like all the dust and candy corn popped out, so yay. My brother's theory (or one he read somewhere) is that ejecting the cartrige will reset everything, since stuff wasn't saved as far as we know, but I feel like that's not how it's gonna go down. Although the ejection does beg the question of who's gonna put it back in so that A6A6I4 can continue...

Wouldn't ejecting the cartridge without properly turning off the system more often than not corrupt the save file? I personally haven't tried that, but it just kinda makes sense. I mean, it's most likely just going to reset everything and make the doomed timeline un-doomed, but it'd be funny if the cartridge became unusable because of improper care.

 

[Spamton G. Spamton]

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Hopefully that cartridge blowout thing at the end got rid of all the glitch shit.

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Seeing as his regular windy thing cleared it out locally a few times, doing the biggest windy thing of all should hopefully do the rest - plus it looked like all the dust and candy corn popped out, so yay. My brother's theory (or one he read somewhere) is that ejecting the cartrige will reset everything, since stuff wasn't saved as far as we know, but I feel like that's not how it's gonna go down. Although the ejection does beg the question of who's gonna put it back in so that A6A6I4 can continue...

me and smasher losing to pantaro and bmb?

disgusting

walkazo tell ur brother he's a scrub

ur just jealous

I doubt it's Caliborn, or ANY of the felt members for that matter. There are two possibilities left:
Lil Seb, or Gamzee motherfucking Makara.
I'm willing to bet it's the latter.

 

[SiFi]

What if someone puts the sequel's cartridge in there instead and we finally unlock Stop 'n' Swop after all these years

 

[Walkazo]

I doubt it's Caliborn, or ANY of the felt members for that matter. There are two possibilities left:
Lil Seb, or Gamzee motherfucking Makara.
I'm willing to bet it's the latter.

Oh right, I forgot about Lil' Seb. If Dirk pulls himself together now that the glitches are taken care of, perhaps he could tap into the fact that the bunny's one of his creations and thus, part of his splintered self, however faintly. Or, yeah, it could be Gamzee.

Wouldn't ejecting the cartridge without properly turning off the system more often than not corrupt the save file? I personally haven't tried that, but it just kinda makes sense. I mean, it's most likely just going to reset everything and make the doomed timeline un-doomed, but it'd be funny if the cartridge became unusable because of improper care.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure I've over-hastily ejected SNES cartridges without turning the game off first and it never screwed them up. They usually just spontaneously stop working all on their own.

 

[Contra(dictory)]

me and smasher losing to pantaro and bmb?

dammit smasher stealing my identity even when he doesnt post

pls forgibe, all the newbies blend together in my head

 

[banjonator1]

i was rooting for pipeorgankind anyway

 

[Walkazo]

The bunny did it. Without any great fuss, which makes sense, since we're not due for the intermission to end for a another two months.

 

[Random Blue]

sup

(the johnroxy)

(it beckons)

 

[Lin Beifong]

What if she's just misspelling "soup" and is trying to invite John for dinner?

 

[Spamton G. Spamton]

Well for once it's the BUNNY that's putting something back in the box.
Also oh my god roxy what did she do to you

 

[Walkazo]

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So all the talk of "resets don't mean it was all for nothing since it made us feel something at the time *happy face*" is either trying to butter us up for when all the drama of GAME OVER etc. is turned into a doomed timeline, or it's a fake-out. The fact that it's laid on so thick and transparently makes me feel like it's a fake-out, but that could be wishful thinking. The Denizen riddles could go either way:

ROXY: she said
ROXY: keep in mind i am paraphrasing
ROXY: if paraphrasing is even a thing you can do with stuff said in unfathomable monster jargon
ROXY: that either i could stay behind and vanish into nothingness forever, and everyone in the new reality would inherit all the bigtime responsibilities, including a version of myself who had no memory of any of this and never experienced all the loss and sadness i just went through
ROXY: or
ROXY: i could go with you
ROXY: but in doing so, everyone i loved would know that loss instead
ROXY: w/e that means......
JOHN: yeah!
JOHN: typheus gave me almost the exact same sort of choice
JOHN: something about other people feeling the loss i felt, if i accepted his challenge.

So, the "friends feel the loss" part could mean that the timeline they're zapping to is one like Jade's, where she had to feel the loss of losing John (and Davesprite), with him and his planet having to be destroyed to make room for our John and his LOWAS, with Roxy presumably getting killed off for the same reason making her friends sad... But I don't think so (and hope not). Losing one or two friends vs. losing everyone isn't exactly the same magnitude of loss, and John and Roxy also have hope that their friends will be alive again in the new reality, so maybe what's gonna happen is that they stick with the GAME OVER timeline and bring everyone back to life using the various means sprinkled about the mythos. And then all the "it's the journey that matters" stuff would actually just be trying to convince us that bringing characters back, regardless of how it's done, doesn't cheapen killing them off in the first place - which I'm sure he's gotten flack about when all the dead trolls showed up in dream bubbles and whatnot. (Usually I'm one of the resurrection-cheapens-death people, but in this case, the slaughter wasn't so much saddening as it was so horrifying that we didn't expect it to stick in the first place.)

 

[Dr. Javelin]

i doubt anyone's going to get revived, unless they get killed off again

if everyone's feeling the same loss then that means about the same number of people are going to die again

which is, again, super ominous

i'd say that the denizens are wrong but they never are, and they've managed to anticipate everything in the entire story (as has skaia, and basically everything sburb does, really)

 

[Walkazo]

The only wiggle room is the "paraphrasing" that explicitly happened. Hell, even Jade made a point of saying she was paraphrasing whatever Muse Calliope told her earlier, so perhaps broken telephone is an important plot point in this stretch of plot... I already feel like the "instead" here was Roxy's interpretation, since she and John feeling the loss too hasn't stopped being a thing, as the "instead" would otherwise suggest. A minor detail but still, riddle talk is all in the slippery details...

 

[Lin Beifong]

Oh god, this is reminding me of that one Futurama episode where they find out time is a gigantic loop, so they pass the end of time, kill off their iterations from the next cycle and just keep living there.

I... don't really like that plot very much.

Actually, I don't like it at all. It's horrifying.

 

[Nabber]

this story has too much talkin about feelins and stuff

it needs more sex and violence

 

[Walkazo]

So sad that the Crowbar-centric Paradox Space comic's done.

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For now - so happy that it's TBC, tho we'll probably have to wait for it, but that's 'k. One could complain it was a bait-and-switch since wenever got to see the death in the title, but if it means more Crowbar down the road, I'm all for it. He's really grown on me the last few weeks.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

crowbar's always been my favorite

MAROON HAT IS HIGHLY INTELLIGENT AND PERSONABLE.
I HAVE DECIDED HE IS MY FAVORITE GUY SO FAR.

 

[SiFi]

I noticed in the second-to-last page Scratch did that thing where he lies by telling the truth in a roundabout way, and I'd like to take a moment to talk about how much it bugs me when people say he always tells the truth because of that time he unambiguously encouraged Rose to ask the magic cue ball about the Horrorterrors and after she died he claimed he warned her not to do it.

 

[Spamton G. Spamton]

I noticed in the second-to-last page Scratch did that thing where he lies by telling the truth in a roundabout way, and I'd like to take a moment to talk about how much it bugs me when people say he always tells the truth because of that time he unambiguously encouraged Rose to ask the magic cue ball about the Horrorterrors and after she died he claimed he warned her not to do it.

I'm almost sure that's a joke directed at us.
He knows we know he never warned her about anything, so he didn't have to say "jk" like earlier in the comic.
And he wanted to make a SBaHJ reference.

 

[SiFi]

Well it wasn't a good joke and I know that was intentional on an "evil has a bad sense of humor" level but for me it wasn't even successful in that regard because I was more angry at the author than I was at the villain and that's rarely a good sign in any medium.

 

[Walkazo]

I noticed in the second-to-last page Scratch did that thing where he lies by telling the truth in a roundabout way, and I'd like to take a moment to talk about how much it bugs me when people say he always tells the truth because of that time he unambiguously encouraged Rose to ask the magic cue ball about the Horrorterrors and after she died he claimed he warned her not to do it.

Yeah, when I read the "Amy man who had my foresight, who had your best interests in mind, would do exactly as you say. Absolutely." line, I was like "oh man, Crowbar's so screwed" since he made a point of not saying that he did have Crowbar's best interests in mind - because he doesn't, and saying so would be be a lie - but what he said wasn't a lie, as there was no falsities in his statement.

He interprets lies very specifically as saying false things, so lies of omission or confusing roundabout truths aren't lies to him, and even saying false things doesn't count as lies if they're temporary for humorous purposes (he even admins that he does joke and prank people sometimes, just not lie for non-humorous reasons). So to him, the "I warned her" false statement was a joke, not a lie, because he was not attempting to deceive but be humorous.

Admittedly, it is a pretty big damn loophole, but Scratch is an insufferable asshole like that. I actually fully loathe almost every insufferably smug word that comes out of his mouth, and the fact that Hussie has managed to write dialogue that is so viscerally off-putting is actually something I give him props for. Even though large parts of my just want to skip over every last chunk of oily white text and be done with it.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

scratch's modus operandi is to be truthful 99% of the time so that the 1% of the time he actually needs to fool you, you still think he's telling the truth

pretty clever really

i also assume that he's forced to tell the truth because he was created from the all-seeing cueball which always is accurate. so when you're asking him a question, he's forced to give you an accurate answer.

how he gives you that answer, however, is up to him, and he exploits that to manipulate people. which is ingenius

 

[Nabber]

that sword probably isn't too important

 

[Spamton G. Spamton]

scratch's modus operandi is to be truthful 99% of the time so that the 1% of the time he actually needs to fool you, you still think he's telling the truth

pretty clever really

i also assume that he's forced to tell the truth because he was created from the all-seeing cueball which always is accurate. so when you're asking him a question, he's forced to give you an accurate answer.

how he gives you that answer, however, is up to him, and he exploits that to manipulate people. which is ingenius

He tells the truth 100% of the time though, never saying anything false, just omitting things. Which technically isn't lying. Unless, again, he jokes and says jk just later. He makes it a habit of fooling people without a single lie.
Also, at some point in the story, Scratch says he chose not to lie, not forced.

 

[Walkazo]

that sword probably isn't too important

Well, there's at least three of it now (which is fitting, given that it's Dirk's weapon), so odds are in its favour that one of its incarnations will continue to do important things (besides killing protagonists, hopefully). After all, there's Dirk's one, Brain Ghost Dirk's that didn't disappear when he did and was used to shishkebab Jake and Jane, and now Bro's sword's back in play. Plus, they made one during the Zilly weapon Alchemitizing fest, meaning Dirk's either got two now (or maybe one of them became Brain Ghost Dirk's).

I was actually hoping Dirk would reappear from the glitch nothingness when Roxy's touched the sword with her voidy powers, but sadly, no such luck. At least, not yet...