Pokemon X and Pokemon Y

[Zae]

well not many things resist normal either, and many normal types are insanely powerful, unlike offensive poison types.

 

[Ray Trace]

Normal also has a pretty reliable strong move in the form of Return.

 

[Zae]

if that wasnt enough normal types usually get coverage moves too, so it really balances it out.

Plus some normals even get great abilities as well.


is more then what i could say for poison types.

 

[Gumball Machine]

Pure poison types perhaps, but aren't dual poison types praised? Crobat and Tentacruel come to mind.

 

[Zae]

Pure poison types perhaps, but aren't dual poison types praised? Crobat and Tentacruel come to mind.

crobat is kinda eh, since its only defense against rock and steel types are super fang, it has good resistances and all but its not good at all against those types.

Tentacruel i would never use its poison type move for anything ever, and tentacruel is mostly a supportive/special wall pokemon.

I guess you could use acid spray for shits and giggles though.

 

[MnSG]

At least Poison types are super effective against something, which is more than what you can say for those poor normal types. Granted, having diverse move pools help, but I honestly pity them for being the only type that can't have STAB and super effective moves at the same time.

You can pretty much say the same thing to the Dragon-type, since it's only super-effective against itself. However, many Dragon-types tend to have high physical attack stats, making moves like Outrage heavy hitting, even without super-effective blows. And to add to this, only the Steel-type resists the Dragon-type, and only Shedinja is immune to the Dragon-type, all thanks to its Wonder Guard ability.

well not many things resist normal either, and many normal types are insanely powerful, unlike offensive poison types.

From what I recall, Toxicroak has the highest base attack of any Poison-type, but 106 is pretty lackluster when you compare it to Gengar's base 130 special attack stat.

Normal also has a pretty reliable strong move in the form of Return.

There's also Tri Attack for Porygon-Z, since with Adaptability, the base power of Tri Attack becomes 160 when Porygon-Z uses it, making it hit harder than Return.

Sadly, there aren't very many powerful Normal-type special attacks out there. Hyper Voice may sound doable, but it hits multiple targets in the double and triple battles, making the attack deal 25% less damage than normal if more than one Pokemon is targeted. And of course, any Pokemon with the Soundproof ability will not be affected by Hyper Voice at all.

 

[Zae]

well toxicroak is more of a setup pokemon anyway, but yeah. Not that many powerful poison types, as poison is mostly a defensive type, not quite as good as steel, but it has its uses.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

Pure poison types perhaps, but aren't dual poison types praised? Crobat and Tentacruel come to mind.

crobat is kinda eh, since its only defense against rock and steel types are super fang, it has good resistances and all but its not good at all against those types.

Crobat wins the COOLNESS FACTOR though. I mean seriously, those Zubat that have been irritating you all game finally evolve into this totally wicked four-winged deathbat of doom who doesn't have a stupidly huge mouth like Golbat.

 

[Tyrell Badd]

Drapion is the coolest looking Poison-type to me.

 

[Zae]

Pure poison types perhaps, but aren't dual poison types praised? Crobat and Tentacruel come to mind.

crobat is kinda eh, since its only defense against rock and steel types are super fang, it has good resistances and all but its not good at all against those types.

Crobat wins the COOLNESS FACTOR though. I mean seriously, those Zubat that have been irritating you all game finally evolve into this totally wicked four-winged deathbat of doom who doesn't have a stupidly huge mouth like Golbat.

well it is a decent poke, even with its only average attack stat and that other draw i mentioned.

one thing ive learned about crobat is that's an awesome stall breaker, also very effective at making fighting types cry.

Drapion is the coolest looking Poison-type to me.

okay gotta admit that drapion is pretty awesome, especially with swords dance. Not the best physical attacker ever, but it certainly gets the job done.

 

[Ray Trace]

There's also Tri Attack for Porygon-Z, since with Adaptability, the base power of Tri Attack becomes 160 when Porygon-Z uses it, making it hit harder than Return.

Sadly, there aren't very many powerful Normal-type special attacks out there. Hyper Voice may sound doable, but it hits multiple targets in the double and triple battles, making the attack deal 25% less damage than normal if more than one Pokemon is targeted.

Well, I'm saying that most Pokemon can learn Return since it has very good distribution in the form of a TM, and it's a reliable normal type move.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

Drapion is the coolest looking Poison-type to me.

Oh yeah forgot about him. He's pretty awesome looking too.

...someone should come up with a Poison-type team for my story. Drapion, Crobat, Nidoking, Seviper, Gengar, Ariados.

They might not all be good battlers but they certainly look awesome.

 

[MnSG]

There's also Tri Attack for Porygon-Z, since with Adaptability, the base power of Tri Attack becomes 160 when Porygon-Z uses it, making it hit harder than Return.

Sadly, there aren't very many powerful Normal-type special attacks out there. Hyper Voice may sound doable, but it hits multiple targets in the double and triple battles, making the attack deal 25% less damage than normal if more than one Pokemon is targeted.

Well, I'm saying that most Pokemon can learn Return since it has very good distribution in the form of a TM, and it's a reliable normal type move.

The thing is though, while Return has a huge distribution for the Normal-type physical sweepers, the distribution of the powerful Normal-type special attacks is heavily limited. Only the Porygon family can effectively use Tri Attack, and Hyper Voice is flawed for the reasons that I've already mentioned. Hyper Beam is obviously not to be used, due to the lose a full turn side effect that it has.

 

[Zae]

double edge is pretty good too though, i know quite a few pokemon that can learn it.

 

[Ray Trace]

Maybe this game an introduce a Special version of Return/Frustration to benefit the special attackers

 

[Zae]

that'd be nice, although i dont know if there actually many normal special attacker pokemon.

 

[Ray Trace]

There isn't much, but it doesn't hurt

 

[Gumball Machine]

At least Poison types are super effective against something, which is more than what you can say for those poor normal types. Granted, having diverse move pools help, but I honestly pity them for being the only type that can't have STAB and super effective moves at the same time.

You can pretty much say the same thing to the Dragon-type, since it's only super-effective against itself. However, many Dragon-types tend to have high physical attack stats, making moves like Outrage heavy hitting, even without super-effective blows. And to add to this, only the Steel-type resists the Dragon-type, and only Shedinja is immune to the Dragon-type, all thanks to its Wonder Guard ability.

Well, like you said, dragons have high physical attacks. Normal types can vary. Also, excluding Dragon Rush, every offensive Dragon move has fairly high accuracy regardless of power.

 

[MnSG]

Maybe this game an introduce a Special version of Return/Frustration to benefit the special attackers

That's what I wish for myself, since some of the Normal-type special sweepers are in desperate need of a special attack version of Return/Frustration.

that'd be nice, although i dont know if there actually many normal special attacker pokemon.

Togekiss, Porygon2, and Porygon-Z are a few examples. Even Exploud is worth a mention, since it has an average base special attack stat to use.

 

[Purple Yoshi]

They should probably try making 120 power moves, if not 80 for each type. Gen 4 was really good in how it tried to make physical and special moves for each type.

But, come on, something like Shadow Claw isn't good enough as a main STAB move.

 

[Tyrell Badd]

Yeah, I really hope they make an actual good physical Ghost-type move that Pokemon like Golurk and Dusknoir can use.

Shadow Punch ain't going to help win any battles, that's for sure.

 

[MnSG]

They should probably try making 120 power moves, if not 80 for each type. Gen 4 was really good in how it tried to make physical and special moves for each type.

But, come on, something like Shadow Claw isn't good enough as a main STAB move.

Unfortunately, attacks with a base power of 120 are usually cursed with either bad accuracy, or have side effects that can end up being fatal to the attacker.

Anyway, I did make a new move input, which is called Aqua Bomber. It's basically the Water-type version of Double-Edge.

 

[Zae]

megahorn doesnt really have many bad things about it though.

 

[MnSG]

megahorn doesnt really have many bad things about it though.

Maybe not, but 85% accuracy is still pretty shaky, especially when the attack misses twice in a row. But this is obviously done to keep the attack from being broken.

Anyway, while Hone Claws and Coil can help the 80%-95% accurate attacks always hit their mark for the next turn, the Pokemon who can access those moves are often too frail or too slow to effectively take advantage of the boosts.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

megahorn doesnt really have many bad things about it though.

Maybe not, but 85% accuracy is still pretty shaky, especially when the attack misses twice in a row. But this is obviously done to keep the attack from being broken.

uh, yeah. megahorn is still a boss attack even with the occasional miss.

try tanking repeated STAB megahorns from the likes of escavalier