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Character: Wreck It Ralph
Series: Fix it Felix Jr.(Wreck-it-Ralph Movie)
Debut Game: Fix it Felix Jr. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck-It_Ralph#Video_games )

Reasons Why People Don't Think This Character Will Make It In:
Well I'd say because Disney doesn't really have an extensive history with Nintendo. He'd probably be a Donkey Kong clone.

Rebuttal/Oppisite Arguements to the reasons above:
Even if Nintendo history with Disney isn't extensive that doesn't mean they can't cooperate. Wreck-It-Ralph may seem like Donkey Kong but there aren't really any DK clones in Smash Bros anyway so Ralph would be a first!

Opening Statement Why You Believe this character should be playable:
This could open up a new gate for Nintendo and Disney giving publicity to both companies. It could expand the newcomers roster. Wreck it Ralphs movie made the character well known so people won't be angered when he appears as oppose to an relatively unknown character.

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Anyone do Crash Bandicoot yet?
 
I'm sorry Ernesth but...

From the OP said:
1. Obviously no 4th party character. No Mickey Mouse, No Goku, No anything that didn't debut in a video game.
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Wreck-It Ralph may be a video game character in his movie. But he's a Movie character first, and not a Video game one in the sense of being eligible for Smash. Even with the Wreck-It Ralph Video game.

Besides, you can't have another character nominated unless you want to drop Slime/Rocket.
 
Well Rockets chance of being in in the game is so miniscule and unlikely my head would explode if Sakurai mentioned it. So yea imma drop slime....he's still cool though.
 
ernesth100 said:
Well Rockets chance of being in in the game is so miniscule and unlikely my head would explode if Sakurai mentioned it. So yea imma drop slime....he's still cool though.
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Alright he'll be dropped. But it still stands that Wreck-It Ralph is ineligible for this thread. So you're going to have to pick something else.
 
Northern Verve said:
ernesth100 said:
Well Rockets chance of being in in the game is so miniscule and unlikely my head would explode if Sakurai mentioned it. So yea imma drop slime....he's still cool though.
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Alright he'll be dropped. But it still stands that Wreck-It Ralph is ineligible for this thread. So you're going to have to pick something else.
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Wait...what. No, no no don't drop slime them dont drop slime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXCK1EyP4s
 
Wreck it Ralph won't get in because Mario is depicted inaccurately (his ear design is wrong and he doesn't have a belly pocket).
 
Northern Verve said:
I'm sorry Ernesth but...

From the OP said:
1. Obviously no 4th party character. No Mickey Mouse, No Goku, No anything that didn't debut in a video game.
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Wreck-It Ralph may be a video game character in his movie. But he's a Movie character first, and not a Video game one in the sense of being eligible for Smash. Even with the Wreck-It Ralph Video game.

Besides, you can't have another character nominated unless you want to drop Slime/Rocket.
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i'm not trying to be rude, but you seem to have a lot of rules here for some reason that i'm not sure why
 
Dr. Javelin said:
Northern Verve said:
I'm sorry Ernesth but...

From the OP said:
1. Obviously no 4th party character. No Mickey Mouse, No Goku, No anything that didn't debut in a video game.
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Wreck-It Ralph may be a video game character in his movie. But he's a Movie character first, and not a Video game one in the sense of being eligible for Smash. Even with the Wreck-It Ralph Video game.

Besides, you can't have another character nominated unless you want to drop Slime/Rocket.
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i'm not trying to be rude, but you seem to have a lot of rules here for some reason that i'm not sure why
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Well the obvious answer is that she wants actually plausible people. Wreck-it-Ralph (and slime) has no chance at all whatsoever at making it in, though slime is slightly more likely (but still not gonna happen). Northern Verve (and me for that matter) would prefer (I think, pardon me if I'm assuming wrong) would prefer to discuss more plausible characters, Like K. Rule, Mii, Ridley, and even Dillon rather then the dreams of a character that few want, or have even considered.
 
From the OP said:
1. Obviously no 4th party character. No Mickey Mouse, No Goku, No anything that didn't debut in a video game.
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Northern Verve said:
Wreck-It Ralph may be a video game character in his movie. But he's a Movie character first, and not a Video game one in the sense of being eligible for Smash. Even with the Wreck-It Ralph Video game.
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Honestly, I don't think Mickey Mouse can't enter this game. Even if he's not a video game characters doesn't mean he snatches seats from other game companies. Seriously, I would expect to see more Nintendo stars rather than 3rd guests no matter where they come from.

Ralph's own problem is he can't even represent his own origin. He may only appear in the official crossover of the Disney brand as a Disney star. If we consider Ralph in this case, that means Sofia, Riku and Mrs. Calloway should also have a ticket.
 
Mii

It might shut up some people who are asking for people like Miley Circus and Michael Jackson. They could just have Mii. However, I think Mii should have several different attack schemes to choose from, even if it means clone schemes like a boxer mii that is a clone of little mac (A person might want mike tyson or someone to be in) Trust me, it will solve this problem if done correctly.

You are permitted to throw the stones at me
 
chillv said:
Mii

It might shut up some people who are asking for people like Miley Circus and Michael Jackson. They could just have Mii. However, I think Mii should have several different attack schemes to choose from, even if it means clone schemes like a boxer mii that is a clone of little mac (A person might want mike tyson or someone to be in) Trust me, it will solve this problem if done correctly.

You are permitted to throw the stones at me
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id rather throw tomahawks
 
I saw an interesting point on Miis on r/smashbros. What if they appeared as the enemies in Multi Man Smash. You know, stuff like 100 man Smash and 15 minute Smash.
 
GalacticPetey said:
I saw an interesting point on Miis on r/smashbros. What if they appeared as the enemies in Multi Man Smash. You know, stuff like 100 man Smash and 15 minute Smash.
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miis are actually the villains
 
Let me get this out of my system already.

Character Name: Lucas
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Series: Mother

Smash Bros. game(/s) the Character was Playable in: Brawl

Reasons why people think this character will/should be cut:
"Oh my god clones"

Rebuttals/Opposite Argument to the reasons above
Ness and Lucas aren't clones (or even semi-clones...). What they share is not enough to call them clones. To top it off, they have a completely different playstyle. If their playstyles are different, doesn't that not make them clones?

Ok, so let's see what they share:
- PK Fire*
- PK Thunder
- PSI Magnet*
- Up Air
- Forward Smash
- PK Starstorm (Final Smash)

The ones marked with a * means that they even have notable differences that aren't just speed and power. So uh... 6 moves. Not enough to call them clones. Now before people go like, "oh lolz they share Specials so they must be clones!"... Are Jabs, Tilts, Smashes and Throws not considered as well? Why does the line stop at Specials? Who even said Specials were the most frequently used moves? That varies on the player and how they use their character.

Ness is an aerial character who can combo fairly well thanks to PK Fire, Forward Air (which is his bread and butter) and his throws. He has many good, reliable KO options, but his recovery is more predictable. He has a great grab game that's quick and deadly (despite the short range his throws are awesome for racking up damage not to mention he has the strongest throw in the game and his grabs activate QUICK).

Lucas is more meant to be grounded who wants breathing room but constantly pressures his opponents (both are done with PK Fires, Forward Tilts and Neutral Airs). While not having as reliable KO options or the great grabs like Ness, he's still got KO options (he's got the 2nd strongest Up Smash in the game) and has more recovery options thanks to his tether and a few advanced techniques. His Magnet is less laggier than Ness' so he can stall in the air with it a bit longer.

If you're still saying they're (semi-) clones, ask yourself this:
- Are Mario and Squirtle clones because they share a Water Gun?
- Are Bowser and Charizard clones because they're both heavy and share a Flamethrower?
- Are Bowser and DK clones because they're both heavy and have a similar Up-B?
- Is a knife and a scissor the same thing because they have a similar purpose?
(The answer should be no to all of these btw)

Opening Statement on why you believe this veteran should return
Well, these are more personal reasons (so they're somewhat bias) as to why I want Lucas to return, but...

1) Earthbound deserves more than 1 rep. Plus Sakurai did intend to have Lucas replace Ness for Melee, but since Mother 3 for N64 got cancelled, it didn't happen and they both ended up being in Brawl. It wouldn't feel right with just Ness.

2) I'm able to connect with Lucas in the sense my childhood wasn't easy (I didn't experience what he did with his family but still I had a rough time) and I was usually shy and a sleepyhead like him, but I was also kind of a downer.

3) I absolutely love Ness vs. Lucas matches and Ness & Lucas team matches.
Their team synergy is awesome (13:10 - 13:20).
I also need more moments like these (4:56, and lower the volume).

Well, this is like the 6th rant on Lucas I've done or something lol
 
Lolcrawler said:
Dr. Javelin said:
Northern Verve said:
I'm sorry Ernesth but...

From the OP said:
1. Obviously no 4th party character. No Mickey Mouse, No Goku, No anything that didn't debut in a video game.
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Wreck-It Ralph may be a video game character in his movie. But he's a Movie character first, and not a Video game one in the sense of being eligible for Smash. Even with the Wreck-It Ralph Video game.

Besides, you can't have another character nominated unless you want to drop Slime/Rocket.
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i'm not trying to be rude, but you seem to have a lot of rules here for some reason that i'm not sure why
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Well the obvious answer is that she wants actually plausible people. Wreck-it-Ralph (and slime) has no chance at all whatsoever at making it in, though slime is slightly more likely (but still not gonna happen). Northern Verve (and me for that matter) would prefer (I think, pardon me if I'm assuming wrong) would prefer to discuss more plausible characters, Like K. Rule, Mii, Ridley, and even Dillon rather then the dreams of a character that few want, or have even considered.
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I restrict 4th Party characters because I believe that's what's also done for the character selection in Smash Bros. I think it was part of Sakurai's notes prior to Brawl's development that one of his character rules regarding non-Nintendo characters. That in order to get in the game, they had to have originated as a video game character, have a good history with Nintendo. And I'm not sure if this was part of it back then, but Sakurai also stated the character must be legendary. Technially a character like Mickey Mouse and Goku are legendary figures of Western Animation and Anime respectively. But it's because they're known more for being cartoon/anime characters more so then a Video game one is why they can't be in Smash Bros.

3rd Party Suggestions like Slime and such may be very unlikely but at least they have some basis in that they are Video game characters and generally have been on Nintendo consoles.

Oh and BTW Lolcrawler, I'm a guy :P I know the pretty purple pony princess profile might confuse some about that.

chillv said:
Mii

It might shut up some people who are asking for people like Miley Circus and Michael Jackson. They could just have Mii. However, I think Mii should have several different attack schemes to choose from, even if it means clone schemes like a boxer mii that is a clone of little mac (A person might want mike tyson or someone to be in) Trust me, it will solve this problem if done correctly.

You are permitted to throw the stones at me
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I'm starting to think I should make my own version of the form even if Lolcrawler already did one with the Mii to illustrate the point on why I think Miis are practically inevitable at this point. Not that I'd be upset that they aren't. But those who REALLY don't want them, like to the point of boycotting the game if they're included (Yes people like that exist) should grow up and expect the Miis to get in at this point. It's getting to the point where people's childish behavior regarding the idea of Miis being playable is actually making me leaning toward supporting them.

ernesth100 said:
Princess Twilight...I mean Nothern Verve. I want to change from slime...to Pac-Man!
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Well first you need a form filled out for Pac-Man :P
 
Northern Verve said:
I restrict 4th Party characters because I believe that's what's also done for the character selection in Smash Bros. I think it was part of Sakurai's notes prior to Brawl's development that one of his character rules regarding non-Nintendo characters. That in order to get in the game, they had to have originated as a video game character, have a good history with Nintendo. And I'm not sure if this was part of it back then, but Sakurai also stated the character must be legendary. Technially a character like Mickey Mouse and Goku are legendary figures of Western Animation and Anime respectively. But it's because they're known more for being cartoon/anime characters more so then a Video game one is why they can't be in Smash Bros.
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i get that, but when you have a wallpost of rules it's a little discouraging to people (like me) who would rather just make an brief argument for a somewhat obscure character
 
Dr. Javelin said:
Northern Verve said:
I restrict 4th Party characters because I believe that's what's also done for the character selection in Smash Bros. I think it was part of Sakurai's notes prior to Brawl's development that one of his character rules regarding non-Nintendo characters. That in order to get in the game, they had to have originated as a video game character, have a good history with Nintendo. And I'm not sure if this was part of it back then, but Sakurai also stated the character must be legendary. Technially a character like Mickey Mouse and Goku are legendary figures of Western Animation and Anime respectively. But it's because they're known more for being cartoon/anime characters more so then a Video game one is why they can't be in Smash Bros.
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i get that, but when you have a wallpost of rules it's a little discouraging to people (like me) who would rather just make an brief argument for a somewhat obscure character
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The first two rules only rule out 4th party characters and Video game characters that have never appeared on a Nintendo system. I think you could still do something with an obscure Nintendo character if you so wished. I don't outright rule out "The character has to be well-known" anywhere in my rules. Example: There's a character that has a rather niche support base called Sukapon, because Sukapon comes from one of Nintendo's first fighting games. He'd be perfectly acceptable if anyone wishes to support him in this thread.
 
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Character Name: Pac Man

Series: Pac-Man

Reasons why people think this character won't make it in:
Just because Namco is helping in Smash Bros doesn't mean he'll be in it.

Rebuttals/Opposite Argument to the reasons above:
True, but what if he is. What does anyone have against Pac-Man one of the most famous games in history? Plus he won't be a clone of anyone. Not that I know of because theres no character that actually has his design and or move set.

Move Set: The Attacks from Pac-Man Ghostly Adventures
 
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