What you don't like about Super Smash Bros. 3DS/Wii U?
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It's official.
I'm hacking one girl into every Brawl character that wasn't a girl already.
Birdo is in since it's pink (and also i'll probably run out of characters)
I'm hacking one girl into every Brawl character that wasn't a girl already.
Birdo is in since it's pink (and also i'll probably run out of characters)
Magikrazy said:
Omg, will people quit with the "i'm butthurt DK and metroid not getting shit"
> DK rep added last in Brawl.
> Metroid rep added last in Brawl.
There's other Nintendo series that actually have been getting a much lesser end of the stick you know.
DaKid
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Claus said:
You're always trying to tell people to stop complaining about something and correct them with what you think they should. It's highly obnoxious. If someone has a complaint, let them have it. Stop trying to police it. Stop complaining about other peoples complaints.
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Yeah like Ice Climbers, Mother, Starfox, Golden Sun...Claus said:
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Donkey Kong
That's not an excuse for getting no new stages and instead getting the same stage for a third time.Claus said:
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Mostly happy with the game, but:
-It's disappointing to see Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Lucas getting the axe.
-While I'm not a big fan of him personally, Mewtwo shouldn't have been left out again.
-Dark Pit, I think he would have been fine as an alternate costume, and I can think of a few clones that I would have preferred.
-I think DK and Metroid are under-represented.
-Multiple franchises not even getting new stages on the 3DS version.
-The lack of break the targets and event matches, at least on the 3DS version.
That's all I can think of.
-It's disappointing to see Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Lucas getting the axe.
-While I'm not a big fan of him personally, Mewtwo shouldn't have been left out again.
-Dark Pit, I think he would have been fine as an alternate costume, and I can think of a few clones that I would have preferred.
-I think DK and Metroid are under-represented.
-Multiple franchises not even getting new stages on the 3DS version.
-The lack of break the targets and event matches, at least on the 3DS version.
That's all I can think of.
DaKid said:
> Tell me to stop complaining that people are complaining.
If you don't like how I respond, then don't respond. Plain and simple. Please don't start this shit and have a pointless argument like last time.
There are other series that do not get that good of attention, but it's such biasness saying that certain series don't get the credit they deserve when there are many other series that are justifable in that area.
As I said, there are some series that have been around since SSB64 or SSBM that have not gotten as much as a second character or more than one stage (if they get a stage) that is from their series.
DaKid
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Claus said:
Well ok, those are your personal feelings and wants. Don't get jammed with a stick when people feel a franchise is misrepresented that you don't agree with. Maybe people just don't care for those. They don't have to and shouldn't be made to feel they should.
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-No Mewtwo.
-Dr. Mario returning.
-No Mewtwo.
-Many characters re-using voice clips.
-No Mewtwo.
-Dark Pit.
-No Mewtwo.
-The Ice Climbers being cut.
-No Mewtwo.
-Lucas being cut.
-No Mewtwo.
-Wolf being cut.
-No Mewtwo.
-The extremely mediocre selection of stages.
-No Mewtwo.
-How the 3DS version dragged the Wii U version.
-And no Mewtwo.
-Dr. Mario returning.
-No Mewtwo.
-Many characters re-using voice clips.
-No Mewtwo.
-Dark Pit.
-No Mewtwo.
-The Ice Climbers being cut.
-No Mewtwo.
-Lucas being cut.
-No Mewtwo.
-Wolf being cut.
-No Mewtwo.
-The extremely mediocre selection of stages.
-No Mewtwo.
-How the 3DS version dragged the Wii U version.
-And no Mewtwo.
DaKid said:
But that's the thing, it's a bias viewpoint. Complaining about misrepresentation in a series is one thing, but is it justified in comparison to the other series? I can agree with Kid Icarus getting a lot more representation than it deserves, but to spiel out an argument based on a biasness and claiming it as a fact is rather narrow minded in itself without comparing it other to an obvious over-represented series.
How are DK and Metroid under-represented? Why does it quality as being under-represented over other series?
DK and Metroid haven't had a newcomer since Brawl. Zelda, Yoshi, Kirby, Ice Climbers, F-Zero, Mother, and Star Fox also did not have a newcomer since Brawl or since Melee, and in fact some of them were downgraded (meaning characters were cut).
DK and Metroid did not get a new stage in 3DS version. Neither did Yoshi, Star Fox, Game & Watch, Wario, and Pikmin.
Smash Run enemies. DK got 2 and Metroid got three. Sonic, Pikmin, Mother, Ice Climbers, and Yoshi got 2 enemies.
Assist Trophies. DK did get under-rep since they have none but Metroid has 3 Assist Trophies, getting two new ones this time around. Star Fox, F-Zero, Sonic, and Fire Emblem, along others, had no new Assist Trophies this time around. Series like Yoshi, Pikmin, and Game & Watch have none as well.
So again, may I ask why you (the people complaining) say that DK and Metroid got under-represented in this game? I don't mind the complaining as much as the lack of validation for the complaining.
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Fixed.
DaKid
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Claus said:
Who was stating anything as a fact? If someone feels a series is not represented well that's their views. Do you need someone to shout "IN MY OPINION!!" to get that that's all it is? You're getting all flustered over someones "bias" do you care that much? Or do you just want people to feel and think like you on the matter. You shouldn't with both.
No one needs validation for feeling a certain way or personally wanting something in this matter and context.
As for the rest of your post...
DaKid, if you're going to post, at least post something civil instead of acting like a 6 year old. I simply was trying to find reason for their complaining, and it wasn't even targeted at you whatsoever.
And maybe you don't care, but obviously they care enough to constantly moan about, so wanting to know the reasoning for their complaining and seeing if it's justified.
I could say "in my opinion, I think that the fact Goku was not added completely ruined the game and the series has died". Just because someone says "in my opinion" doesn't mean that I actomatically have to agree with what they say or try to reason and debate with them as to why they should see it from a different perspective.
And maybe you don't care, but obviously they care enough to constantly moan about, so wanting to know the reasoning for their complaining and seeing if it's justified.
I could say "in my opinion, I think that the fact Goku was not added completely ruined the game and the series has died". Just because someone says "in my opinion" doesn't mean that I actomatically have to agree with what they say or try to reason and debate with them as to why they should see it from a different perspective.
Baby Luigi said:
DK is the 5th Nintendo series by sales, which does better validate their argument even though Wii series is above them, but Metroid is 9th on the list, which is below series like Wario and Animal Crossing, who have had less interaction with Smash than Metroid. Right below them is Star Fox and the Yoshi series, with Fire Emblem trailing behind them.
If we were to base everything by the sales, then Wii Characters should have just as much if not more characters than the Zelda series has, Fire Emblem should have no more Yoshi and F-Zero being in the same range as them, and Punch Out having more than Kid Icarus.
There's also the fact the sales also depend on how many games were made for the series, how many releases, and how popular it is both in both the fan's eyes and Nintendo's eyes, and Sakurai's eyes.
Taking all of this into account, the balance in terms of additions and removals is pretty whack in itself. I could justify the fact that the Yoshi series is the most underrated series in Smash, since it has been around since SSB64, still is a series that has a game that just came out this year and came out last year, has had no newcomers, is in the same ballpark with Metroid, Star Fox, and Fire Emblem in terms of sales (selling more than FE and all of it's games), has no new 3DS stage, only two characters from it's series in Smash Run, no Assist Trophy for it, no items from it's series, and I can go on from there. I mean, Yoshi's about as incorporated into the Mario series as DK has been (a little bit more, but not by much).
I could go on with this.
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the flaw with your Yoshi argument is that Yoshi was solely created to.be a.complete subserires of Mario whereas DK and Metroid are standalone IPs (dk WAS a standalone ip anyway....since he was owned by Rare via dkc series) and were both part of Nintendos early history much earlier than yoshi
using your logic Mario kart deserves its own rep
using your logic Mario kart deserves its own rep
Baby Luigi said:
Where are you getting that Yoshi was made as a subseries? It started out like that, just like how Mario started out in Donkey Kong, but it's been it's own rather independent series for awhile.
Not to mention that in Smash it is still seen as it's own series in-game.
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Because Yoshi was heavily Mario inspired and many characters in the Yoshi series are Mario characters not to mention Mario appearing in most Yoshi games in some shape or form. You would be.in denial to claim that Yoshi isbarely connected to the Mario serires
And I don't really Gove a.f if it gets its own series logo....they gave.freaking Waluigi the Wario logo. Freaking Waliigi who never appeared.in a Wario game. Hell Wario games are less connected to Mario than Yoshi.
And I don't really Gove a.f if it gets its own series logo....they gave.freaking Waluigi the Wario logo. Freaking Waliigi who never appeared.in a Wario game. Hell Wario games are less connected to Mario than Yoshi.
Baby Luigi said:
Yoshi is very connected with the Mario series. I don't deny that one bit.
But I also know that Wario and DK are also tied in with Mario, with DK being the most independent. However, they still appear in most Mario games, and so saying that just because it's connected to another series doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve to represent it's series.
For all we know, that logic you're using is being applied to the DK series and that is why they didn't really add much to the game with DK, seeing that he's somewhat connected to the Mario series (it's a bs example, but might as well through it out there for the lolz).
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My original point was that DK and Metroid are popular and big enough (not to mention their seniority) to warrant a new stage (like maybe stage that doesn't involve fickig lava for Metroid for once), element, or rep per new smash bros game
Baby Luigi said:
Metroid is confirmed for having a new stage in Wii U, which also includes a boss on it, so I'm sure there'll be a new DK stage as well. Melee and Brawl had two Metroid Stages, so I'm sure that there'll be two Metroid Stages as well. I think Sakurai wanted to save all the good stages for the Wii U version. :P
And hey, Yoshi has seniority as well! lol
EDIT - I think that Metroid personally was decently represented for this game so far for the most part as from the items and what we kind of been hinted at in the Wii U version. DK I could see the need for a third rep, though I will wait for the Wii U version before judging if it really was under-represented.
Lee Chaolan
Oh, excellent!
You know what I really hate? SD's counting as KO's to the last person who hit you.
And that jumping while shielding doesn't do an air doge while jumping, you have to press R again.
And that jumping while shielding doesn't do an air doge while jumping, you have to press R again.
Haven't SD's always worked like that?